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theDecline said:

I have had friends say it has to do with the Light and Dark side of the Force but Qui-Gon wasn’t Dark or was he?

If you approach Qui-Gon from a certain point of view… maybe?
Didn’t Qui-Gon have some beef with the Jedi Council? So he thought, hey, this kid IS dangerous, and will destroy the Jedi Order for my revenge!!! HAHHA!

Okay, no, I’m kidding. With the OT, it’s implied Light side users can have a peaceful disappearing death while a tainted dark side user must be burned in order to transcend. Qui-Gon doesn’t really make sense. In fact, when I was little, for the longest time, I thought they were burning Darth Maul.

So again, I just think it’s for Lucas’s “everything must rhyme in some way with his previous films” gag.

theDecline said:

So how come when Yoda and Obi Wan die there bodys disappear but when Vader and Qui-Gon die there bodys need to be burned?

Because… STARRRR WARSSSS

But really, I’m not entirely sure myself other than, it’s whatever the writers wanted to do.

Maybe Qui-Gon is the first Jedi to die on film, so they burn him. Then Vader is the last ‘Jedi’ to die in Return of the Jedi and is burned. It fulfills Lucas’s “poetry it rhymes”

Only botched up explanation I have.

My issue is Vader wore a mask for a reason and never took it off

I know what your rebuttal will be like, but couldn’t help myself.

If Rey turns out to be Luke’s daughter, it would be the first time in Star Wars history that father gets to train their offspring in the way of the Force. Vader intended to train Luke, but now Luke can have this moment with Rey.

We’re assuming Luke will even train Rey though too. He might refuse.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Yes … ah … um … what?

Unfortunately, this has been a trending joke among viewers. Since this is the time ever for a film to take place AFTER Return of the Jedi, now all six films are jokingly called “the prequels”

When I read this somewhere else, it eerily came across as a dark and morbid joke. I can only see this joke growing more among the community.

There’s this little detail that I’m not sure someone already mentioned, but wow. I totally forgot about Rey marking the days in her little hut. When I first saw it in theaters, I was initally thinking, “For what reason is she marking the days that pass?”

Then, I stumbled upon some TFA fanart, and NOW did it fucking hit me. She was obviously doing a “Days passed of no sign of parents returning”. Touching little detail that I forgot happened since I only saw this film once and rarely seen mentioned.

WARNING!
THIS MIGHT SPOIL SOMETHING FOR VIII REGARDING REY’S ORIGIN!

So okay, either this guy is mishearing what Kylo Ren says, or Kylo actually says what the guy claims he says (it’s hard to tell what is said until the subtitle is shown in this particular video), OR since this is a simple kid’s game, it means nothing really. Thoughts?

Edit: This guy already made the video private so that no one else can see it. I suspect he found out what really is said, but my headphones are so damn shitty that I can’t tell with clarity what that Kylo Ren video game character is saying.

Edit 2: The uploader via Twitter said he misheard since later on during the game play walkthrough, the line is clearer. The guy originally thought “cousin” was said but it’s “curses”. Basically, ignore this post lol.

DuracellEnergizer said:
I had Star Wars before the ST was ever announced. It consisted of two great movies, one passable movie, and several comics and novels (most of which were published before the release of TPM).

Badly worded and conveyed on my part, I’ll admit that. Of course we have Star Wars, it will always be there. I meant that, with so many complaints of the Prequels not really being Star Wars, and then finally getting a film that has its roots close as it possibly can in the modern era, TFA arguably pulls that off. No, I am not making a claim whatsoever that TFA is some great film that can now reign king over the OT. I simply saying, for the people that wanted more Star Wars, were let down by the Prequels, well, TFA does a pretty decent job.

For the crowd that only believes Star Wars is STAR WARS 1977, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi, hey, I can totally understand that. I’m not really talking to those people. However, I’m speaking to the people that are okay with stuff beyond those originals, which is why I brought up the Knights of the Old Republic video game. It has many elements and even rehashes some plot points of the originals, and yet, it’s one of the most highly praised games.

TV’s Frink said:
But you’re the one who likes the final duel.

Eh, not really?
I only said I liked it as a kid because I mean, there’s fucking lava and there’s a saber duel going on. I have fond memories of pretending the floor was lava while I dueled with my little brother at the time, but that was over 10 years ago for me.

Now I much prefer the duels of Luke and Vader, even Empire Strikes Back for obvious reasons that have been stated numerous times.

Prequel stuff is often a source of great humor for me to appreciate, in the parodies that is, and not the actual ‘jokes’ that try to pass as jokes in the films. I still hold some attachment to the prequels actually, but it doesn’t match up to the same level of my younger self anymore.

SpilkaBilka said:

How has no one on this site made a “and then the DSIII blows up” joke yet???

No, no one has word for word of what you said (to my knowledge).
However, yes, just about every single Star Wars fan, including most on this site, has pointed out Starkiller = Death Star III. It’d be an overused joke by this point and TFA isn’t even released on DVD yet!

Of all the problems that come with Return of the Jedi, there’s one line that always bothered me and yet it’s minor. During the space battle and the Ties first fly in to the surprise of the Rebels, one Rebel pilot says, “There’s too many of them!”
Every time I hear that line, I wanna scream, “NO SHIT SHERLOCK, YOU, ME, AND EVERYONE ELSE CAN SEE THAT TIE WAVE!”

Okay, I don’t foam at the mouth as my caps would imply, but damn, I always wanted that line edited out while I’m trying to enjoy a great battle.

Close second would be Lando saying the Death Star is operational, but it’s kinda saved since Ackbar says, “We saw it!”

This is an official, rather botched, explanation of why R2D2 powered up.

Well, in my opinion, Jedi has better payoff than TPM. I’ve said this a few times already, but as a kid that grew up with the Prequels too, I honestly could not sit through TPM and enjoy it.

I used to think RotJ was my all time favorite. Over time, I came to appreciate Empire Strikes Back more than ever. The way Lucas suddenly wanted Irvin Kershner to step off in favor of a director that would do Lucas’s bidding is pretty low. More toys were necessary over the quality of the story as it goes. It became a point in time for Star Wars where Lucas no longer saw interest in collaboration. It also suffers from steering away his original take on how scenes should move along in a quicker pace. First half really makes it jarring to join with the second half. And even the second half of the film, before the real action picks up, suffers with bad pacing too. Neither of these issues appear in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. I personally may find A New Hope slightly ‘boring’, but that’s due to what I feel is a slow buildup, which isn’t really a fault and is different from Return of the Jedi’s Frankensteined editing job.
As cool as that Death Star II was, the more I think about it, it’s quite silly. Not because it’s something from A New Hope rehashed, but because the buildup to it isn’t threatening. It’s only used for sniping Rebel cruisers and never on planets. Damn, Star Destroyers could do that with that many of them.

STILL! I actually really do like Return of the Jedi. I have yet to see such a timeless and thrilling space battle. It captures a sense of urgency while keeping the action in focus and it flows nice for the viewer to keep up. Luke and Vader’s last duel is also the most emotional Star Wars duel in the history of Star Wars. Towards the end, Williams swelling piece of music really makes this confrontation impactful again and again.

SS4DarthPayne said:
FINN: I thought Boyega did a great job acting the character, nothing to fault there. However, I wasn’t super sold on the character himself, if that makes sense. Some of the things he said and how he acted made him seem more like someone from our world, not someone in the Star Wars universe. The ‘cute boyfriend’ line really stood out to me, for example.

I actually brought this up too, either in this thread, or one of the other threads, but yes, “cute boyfriend” took me out of the film for a few seconds there. Another poster pointed out to me that “girlfriend” has been mentioned in another SW film, Attack of the Clones. I had forgotten about it, but at least the actor who played Owen said it in a subdued tone rather than the fanboyish delivery by Boyega. Also, soon after, he said, “Droid, please” which to my ears sounds like internet speak, i.e. “Droid pls”

It really comes across as too Earthy.

TV’s Frink said:

Anyone who loved the ROTS final duel must have a thing for twirling dance fights and Frogger.

FTFY

The casting choice becomes even more interesting.

SilverWook said:

And we have our first member named for a sequel character, I think?

That’s what hit me too. “Oh hello member named after new character”
checks join date

Damn, you claimed yours in time!

Rey said:
I would rate TFO with an 8

I know this is a typo, but it could still kinda work: TFO = The First Order

It is a little amusing to think that as much as KOTOR is praised, it’s basically a rehash of A New Hope/Empire Strikes Back. Central character with unknown Force potential and vague origins, rag tag team meet up in convenient ways, big reveal twist, bad guy running around with a higher up pulling the strings, and mega super weapon of the Empire must be destroyed!
Guess what, it’s still highly praised because it returns to the roots of the OT as much as it can but also is able tell a different story. Even the following sequel of KOTOR goes for a darker angle and ends on an open ended depressing note; Empire Strikes Back anyone?

This goes back to what Mark Hamil said in a behind the scenes short for TFA. “You’ve been here, but you don’t know this story. Nothing’s changed really, I mean everything’s changed, but nothing’s changed.”

The Force Awakens does what we fans have always wanted. We wanted STAR WARS!

I’ll chuck some feedback.

So regarding Anakin being a great pilot and your issue with it. Well, consider how, I bet there’s some really great soldiers in past wars on Earth, but do we really know them? Not really, no. Only those that fought alongside those ‘war heroes’ do. Even distinguished soldiers that get honored by the president on national TV aren’t suddenly movie stars but instead, forgettable among the public. Most average people can only remember generals, at best, but rarely. Some ace pilot isn’t something that the general public really cares about. All their eyes are focused on the politics/government. In my eyes, there’s no issue of making Anakin an ace pilot. If you wanted to, you could say Obi Wan was just exaggerating when he said the best in the “galaxy.” Doesn’t mean there weren’t other great pilots, it’s just the only good pilot Obi Wan recognized and was friends with.

For blasters, I would say, keep them. Guns in general see little evolution. They have an efficient design that’s ‘easy’ to mass produce for generations. That’s what makes blasters “uncivilized” because it means anyone can pick it up and use it that any “uncivilized” person can fire it and cause chaos. A saber is rarer, indeed elegant, and requires professional knowledge to wield in combat. Sure, you can turn it on like Han Solo did, but the difference is that anyone can pick up a saber and ignite it, but doesn’t mean you’d fair well in combat without proper training or risk cutting yourself. Clones are disposable just as their blasters are.

Also, if that many people before OT are skilled melee wise, then damn, it wouldn’t be hard for them to consider becoming a Jedi or finding that, “Hey, if I can swing this staff around similar to how Jedi wield a lightsaber, Imma get one myself!” In other words, lightsabers need to really stand out, and its contrast with blasters does just that.

Smoking Lizard said:
Emphasis added. I suspect your father is in his 40s. That’s when us older guys really start getting overwhelmed by the awareness of our own mortality. Our children are now adults. The fun times of our own childhoods are long gone. Old age is fast approaching us. When we were young, two years seemed like an eternity. Now, we remind ourselves, “I really need to get a new battery for my watch,” and then suddenly realize, “Holy crap! My watch went dead two years ago!”

Your father was suffering the cruel tugs of nostalgia. Nothing more. And that’s what so terribly gratuitous about this movie: It’s nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia.

Well yeah, early 40s, you’re correct.

Still, I think that’s a win in my book for what TFA did. They could had made Han Solo just appear. Yeah, he’s a nostalgic character, but he was used in a manner that was arguably good. Vader is iconic too. Comparing my dad’s reaction to Vader in RotS for example is like night and day way back in 2005. My dad saw how they screwed up Vader. He never felt regret, or as that it was botched, when Han/Leia/Chewie/The Faclon appeared on screen.

GlastoEls said:
His favourite films? Revenge of The Sith, Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens!

Sounds like kid me right there (except for TFA obviously). Love RotS for the ships and final duel. RotJ had me won over for the final space battle and the last duel too.

Ha, poetry as they say.

I’ve read that same thing over and over, but I still don’t think it’s the case, but this is only due to my personal experience with Star Wars. I have never seen my father walk out of a theater with a smile, NEVER! He took me to see TPM at very young age of 4 years old, and while I barely remember it, I do remember having it on VHS. The thing is though, even as a young kid, I really didn’t like watching it and found it honestly boring when I could put in RotJ and Empire VHS tapes that had the most exciting space scenes. The point is, even as young as I was, felt something was off.

Back to my father. He took me next to AotC. I remember him saying it was at least better than TPM, but overall, I could hear his disappointment. Finally, with RotS, that car ride back home had this distinctive air of “Well, I guess that’s it, Star Wars could never be redeemed.” My dad still talks about how damn much of a letdown it was when Vader, his most cherished childhood villain, delivered that infamous “NOOOOOO!”, among other things of course.

Finally, all these years later, when we see TFA, I couldn’t believe it. He was laughing, tearing up, and genuinely looked like he was having a blast! So I dunno man, for as long as I’ve known my dad, he never bought into that hype of the prequels. Did he recognize the flaws of TFA? Sure. But overall, we were geeking out over the film of how fun it was!

The few parallels to really draw from TPM vs TFA releases was that both were Star Wars films that were trying to revitalize the franchise. The difference being that one film had more heart, more collaboration, and less Lucas.

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Swazzy said:

Duracell, I have some bad news…

https://youtu.be/vd_8-NCN5CU

I’m not quite sold that it confirms anything.

1. John Williams probably has ‘fine tuned’ what he believes is a dark mysterious theme for the appropriate scene. Prequel soundtrack bits slip in the TFA soundtrack in other places too. Could merely be an evolution of what John Williams thinks Star Wars should sound like, so it happens to blend Prequel/OT/New’ish elements together.

2. The last thing Abrams or Disney would want to be a distinguished product would be to imply, “Yo, I know you all were burned bad by the Prequels, but dudes, if you wanna know why this baddie is in our new stories, go back to the Prequels to know why!”

3. It really sounds too ridiculous that Palpatine had a higher up throughout the OT. Just sounds like more, “HAHA, TWISTS TWISTS CUZ, TWISTS!” fodder.

From what I’ve read, this Snoke character has seen the Empire rise and fall, but so far, I haven’t read a blurb saying he’s seen multiple powers rise and fall, like the Republic.

Just for the love of Jar Jar, let Snoke be a new character that has no ties to anyone. Just an old alien whom has seen the flaws of the previous Empire and has his own vision of how to run the Galaxy/Force.