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Hal 9000 said:

Really been trying to get the wife into the theater so I can see it a second time and enjoy it rather than being preoccupied with apprehension about everything.
Opening night, she had to step out because all the sweaty nerds swinging plastic sabers and wearing who knows what caused her latex allergy to flair up real bad.

Ouch, that really sucks!

When I went with my brothers and dad, the theater was filled up rather quick so we had to take seating bottom left, second row. My eyes kinda hurt throughout the film but it was tolerable (it’s STAR WARS dammit!). Sometime after Han’s death, some baby started crying a little, so the mother got up from the seat and stood in the entrance corridor trying to keep the baby happy. I’m glad that mother got to stay and watch the film because I’d feel bad if her baby started crying really badly and made her feel she’d have to step out. Apart from that, it really wasn’t all that bad.

Harmy said:

So, you know how Chewbacca looks about 20 years younger in this movie than in Star Wars? Here’s my theory: We all know that the character of Chewbacca was originally inspired by a dog - a faithful furry companion - so maybe Han had to send the old Chewie to the farm and this is an all new Chewbacca 😉

Somebody needs a wookiee hug!

Diego said:

• Anyone else noticed how many times they say “Han Solo” in the movie? When the Falcon arrives at Starkiller base, Ren says “Han Solo”, when they meet at the bridge, again “Han Solo”, when the saber duel is about to begin “Han Solo can no longer protect you”. Even 3PO calls him “Han Solo”. It’s as if Vader had said “Obi Wan Kenobi has taught you well” and “Obi-Wan Kenobi can no longer help him” and “Obi-Wan Kenobi never told you what happened to your father”. I found it strange.

I actually noticed this on my first and only viewing! I kept thinking, “Damn, you CAN say either Solo or Han, but full name is so unnecessary!”

I especially thought Kylo Ren should had just said “Solo,” would make things flow smoothly.

Haha, I loved Abrams comment about noticing so many fans were saying about not wanting anymore trailers. I’m thankful the trailers were very tight lipped though, but as the release came close, I was in that same group begging for no more trailers/TV clips, but couldn’t help myself!

Okay, thank you two for promoting the theatrical versions 😃

My boss was insistent that I’d go all in with the extended versions, but I think he could be heavily biased since he can’t remember a time when LotR lore was all new to him, like it is to me. So alright, I’ll start micro and then later on, once I can soak in the story better, appreciate the longer versions.

towne32 said:

DominicCobb said:

The scene where Kylo first hears about Rey had me asking questions. The officer mentions a girl and he quickly spins around and forces the officer over. Why the big reaction? Simple histrionics (he is in quite a mood in that scene)? Or does hearing about a hero girl light a spark in his mind (if Luke had a daughter, did he know)? The only thing that makes me doubt this is when he talks to Snoke about her (“she is strong in the force”) he doesn’t say anything about her possible parentage (maybe he knows something he doesn’t want Snoke to know?).

Yep. By the time he was interrogating her, I thought she would for sure recognize him once the mask comes off.

Saw this posted on Reddit, and found it intriguing; possibly explains what you brought up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3xvdyl/havent_seen_anybody_talk_about_the_rebel_helmet/

Alderaan said:

That was my favorite easter egg in the entire movie-- seeing Rey in the corridor on Bespin.

That beautiful shot made me tear up a little.

I got goosebumps man when that happened. Never thought I’d see visual callbacks to the OT, but damn, I agree, loved it!

SilverWook said:

So does anyone think Lando will show up?

“We’ll see” -Billy Dee Williams at the World Premiere.

I sure hope so.

I’m in the camp that doesn’t necessarily praise Poe nor hates him. I felt his only shining moment was when he first spoke to Kylo. Other than that, I’m excited to see how they shape this character, but for now, he’s not really in the forefront of my mind compared to Rey, Kylo, Han, Leia, and Finn.

It may be wayyy early to say this since there’s two more films to watch, but I recently finished Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring, extended version. This is my first time seeing this film. My boss was honestly baffled I had never seen LotR. My boss loves Star Wars, but he said LotR is sooo much better than Star Wars. So I said alright, alright, I’ll get to watching them over the break. Holy shit, I’ve never expereinced such a super long setup/exposition like that. I’m ashamed to say it, but I kept checking the time left on the film because it really felt it was dragging on and on.

Is it normal to find the first film boring and then later, after seeing all three, suddenly it appears great? It didn’t exactly make me excited to see the next two, but I’ll do it regardless since it’s one of those trilogies that many have seen.

RicOlie_2 said:

To be honest, I don’t like the idea of there being someone like Snoke to begin with, which is part of why I didn’t work him into my alternate storyline very well.

Good point too. Now I’m imaging a Snoke-less TFA where Kylo Ren seeks training in the Dark Side but really has no options. He speaks to Vader’s helmet hoping and praying that his grandfather will give him guidance, but alas, nothing. Luke is the only Jedi Master, so he’s conflicted. Redeem himself to the light and get full on training or struggle with the Dark Side and seek other outlets that could improve himself.

RicOlie_2 said:
I think you’re right about that. It could also be interesting if Snoke was the ghost of the Emperor…except that that might be extremely lame as well.

Yeah, it approaches old EU territory where he cloned himself which also… blah.

I’m slightly on edge about Snoke because I haven’t read anything bold/interesting to really sell this character. I want to have faith in the writers that he is going to be really compelling, but so far, the only passable fan theory is that it’s Plagueis. But I really, really don’t want that. New character please with interesting goals. Hell, if they could somehow make Snoke as interesting as Kreia from KOTOR II, that would be great! But that’s probably setting the bar too high.

SilverWook said:

One thing I didn’t realize was being shown in Rey’s vision was Kylo and his men killing Jedi. Those were probably all the ones Luke had trained since ROTJ, and they’ve been wiped out. Luke putting his hand on Artoo was probably after he discovers this. He doesn’t just feel the pain of failing with Ren, he’s lost an entire generation of new Jedi. That’s a terrible burden to bear.

That really hardens the impact indeed. Luke has been told the tales by Obi Wan and Yoda of great numbers of Jedi. All Luke wanted was to steer those myths/legends into a reality. But he failed both his masters and his masters won’t speak to him. He has no other choice but seek the first Jedi Temple for answers, if any.

To be completely honest, Snoke being Luke or Leia sounds… really cringey and cheesy. I would take Darth Plageuis = Snoke over that.

But I’d rather Snoke be a new character with a different agenda.

Warbler said:
true, there are 30 years we’re not fully aware of, but we know enough. A Dark Jedi is on the loose and the only known trained Jedi goes into hiding. The more I think of it, the asinine it becomes. Yeah maybe tried to turn him and failed. But if Luke couldn’t turn him back, do you really think it wise for Luke to just disappear? How about stopping him? If Rey could defeat Kylo Ren, in their fight, I would have difficult believing that Luke wouldn’t have been able to easily either capture or kill him. But Luke just disappears and lets Kylo Ren terrorize the Galaxy and kill many innocent people. Makes no sense.

Well maybe you’re correct, Luke could stop him and/or kill him. But consider this. Since Kylo has full knowledge of this, Kylo Ren has been running and hiding FROM Luke this whole time. Luke probably pursued him for awhile but had no success. He then sought to return to the ‘origin’ of the Jedi by seeking the first Jedi Temple for guidance.
Only later has Kylo gone paranoid and realizes he cannot avoid Luke no longer. Luke anticipated that Kylo would have to come to him instead.

StardustCamellia said:

Harmy said:

Maybe they just renamed Coruscant, just like they renamed everything else that is otherwise exactly the same 😃 Hopefully, we’ll learn more about these things in The First Order Strikes Back 😉

No, the Hosnian system (and Hosnian Prime) are not Coruscant.

Further proof here as well:

ZkinandBonez said:
No has said that there was “no politics” in the OT, but rather that there was very little of it. I mean I never paid any attention to Tarkin’s comment about the Imperial Senate until I was 20 years old, and I’ve been watching SW since I was 7.

Small aside, but wow, same thing for me as well here. I’ve been watching SW since probably about 3, but once I had hit 20 and rewatched the films time and time again, Tarkin’s line about the Senate never hit me prior.

msycamore said:
The Force Awakens: Not yet seen. And have not yet decided if I’m going to. Please, convince a grumpy old fart if he should?

I went with my dad to see TFA. My dad was 6 in '77 and saw it in all its glory, as well as the other two following. He has no respect for the prequels.

Then this past Saturday, my old man teared up and smiled seeing all the old characters return. You’ll won’t see these actors for very long, and it would be a motivating factor to see them return one last time in my opinion. The stars you grew up with.

Alderaan said:

Personally I’d like to see Oscar Isaac get Boba Fetted into a Sarlacc pit in the next movie. Preferably one of the cartoonish over the top special edition ones.

Ah I can see it now.

Rey to Chewie: “Poeba Pett? Where?”

Rey swings her staff at Poe’s X-Wing by accident which causes the engine to malfunction while Poe is inside

The X-Wing goes haywire and sends Poe to the nearest sun and explodes where he is digested for energy to warm the whole galaxy for the next 1000 years

ZkinandBonez said:

lovelikewinter said:
Will the romance be Rey/Finn, Rey/Poe or Finn/Poe?

Now that’s a thought.

Bro or Foe?

ZkinandBonez said:
Just remember that for a short while Lucas was considering making a low-budget sequel to cash in on the sudden success of ANH. He actually had Alan Dean Foster write Splinter’s of the Minds Eye with the specfic intentions of it possibly being the next SW film. He even told him to; avoid dog-fights because it would be too expensive to make, to contain the story to one planet, and to not include Han Solo in the plot because Ford’s contract hadn’t been renewed.
In addition to this, the first draft of ESB has Luke actually meed the Force-ghost of his father.
So Lucas is speaking BS when he claims that he had it all planned out from the beginning. He probably just bitter since Kasdan is getting so much praise now that so much of the fan-base doesn’t really trust him creatively anymore. So now he’s trying to “cover his ass” so-to-speak.

This is my first time hearing any of this, so thank you for that!

Warbler said:
“if my idiot brother hadn’t left, maybe Han might still be alive. My brother was able to turn my father of all people back to the light, why in hell didn’t he at least try with my son! Due to him stupidly leaving, both my lover is dead and my son is probably too far gone to be saved! I am so angry with him I almost want to turn to the darkside, become a sith and hunt him down myself!”

That sounds kinda too dramatic in all honesty. There has been 30 years here that we’re not fully aware of. I’m pretty sure Luke did all he could in his power to make Ben see the light but failed due to the overpowering influence of Snoke on Ben. Blaming Luke for Han’s death is just too unfair I wouldn’t see Leia doing that. Leia has fought in the Galactic Civil War. She has seen her homeworld destroyed. Leia knows death very well. I’m not implying Leia feels nothing. I’m just saying Leia probably sees Han as a thankful temporary happinees in her life. He’s gone and nothing is going to change that, and again, death isn’t some new thing to Leia to experience.

As for Leia and Chewie not consoling each other: I took as Chewie not realizing Leia already knew Han was dead. I thought maybe it was too difficult for Chewie to bring himself to tell her. Put yourself in Chewie’s shoes. If your best friend died, would it be easy for you to be the one to tell his/her spouse? As for Chewie taking off with Rey to find to Luke, I had no problem with it. Even with Han dead, Chewie would still want to do his duty.

This is honestly the BEST answer I’ve seen for this criticism. I never could quite pinpoint why Chewie didn’t, but after reading this, I fully back this.

btw, I never picked up that Obiwan was talking to Rey when she first picked up the lightsaber.

Same here. Still, after reading about how they ‘fan’ edited Alec’s line of “AfRAId” into “Rey”, that’s pretty cool imo.

I too thought this movie resembled too much ANH. The droid having info everyone wants. Same droid trying to return info the rebellion/resistance. massive weapon. massive weapon demonstrating its power killing a lot of people which no one mourns much. massive weapon being made ready to use on rebellion/resistance. Leia waiting at rebellion/resistance base to see if X-wings will destroy massive weapon or will massive weapon destroy her. Jedi sentient living in the middle of nowhere, possibly hidden there. I am almost surprised that Luke wasn’t the one fighting Kylo Ren, with him letting Ren kill him to let the others escape.

There’s no denying the same beats are here, but different things are achieved and there are different goals now. I have no issue with that.

btw anyone think it curious how similar the names of the bad guy and good girl are? Rey and Ren?

It could be simply Ben wanting to sound badass by replacing B with R. But I don’t really think it means brother and sister, but cousins certainly is plausible.

hydrospanner said:
The difference is TFA story is written in a way where it needs a sequel to continue to explain the mysteries it presents us and it even ends on a cliffhanger.

True enough.

hydrospanner said:
Well, they may have been planning sequels, but the movie was written in a way where it stands on its own. Compare the ending of ANH to the ending of TFA.

To me, there’s that one key scene of why I thought ANH isn’t standalone. And it’s that scene where you see Vader’s Tie zoom away after he stopped the ship from spinning around. If we never got that small little sequence, then I think the argument of ANH intending to be standalone would be stronger. But since that Vader was given additional screen time after the Death Star is blown up, it no longer is standalone because it means we still have a bad guy (a skilled bad guy no less) out in the far reaches of the Galaxy.