TavorX

Man, it would be killer to have had Mark Griskey done the music.

Give this a listen…

Post Praetorian said:
So essentially Rey was initially trained in the force at a young age…said training remained dormant…but her bare and meager existence upon a treacherous world allowed her implicit training in its usage during her intervening years awaiting the return of her family…?

It is a possibility…indeed a potentially plausible explanation…although I suspect it not to have been at all officially considered. Still, it bears pondering…

I currently sit on the fence when it comes to the theory that Rey was previously trained at a young age. I certainly think it’s a solid theory, but if it’s not the case, that would be fine too imo.

Still, living all those years in isolation, where the only person that matters is you, you tend to discover a lot more about yourself. What makes you angry, frustrated, depressed, happy, enlightened, motivated, etc and how to deal with it. Now, I’m not saying her time in isolation was her training in the Force. What I am saying is that she developed key traits of a Jedi should embrace, such as I mentioned, patience.

Plus, wouldn’t it be silly if Force ghosts could last forever? If that was the case, why didn’t hundreds or even thousands of previously killed Jedi try to help train/guide Luke? Surely all those Jedi would share Obi-wan/Yoda’s desire to see the dark side overthrown too.

There’s something I find interesting about Rey. Due to the environment she grew up in, it just adds more to why she’s so great with the Force. When comparing to Luke’s beginnings, Luke has this impatient vibe and a little bratty. Now, hold your horses here, I actually find Luke relatable; being stuck with family and wanting to be somewhere away from home. So again, I have no issue with Luke here, just making this clear for what about I’m about to say.

Rey is basically a toughened up person by the time we meet her. She also exercises key Jedi traits, such as patience, something Luke struggled with for the first two films. Unlike Luke, Rey had no home to come to with someone that cared about her. She didn’t live on a farm where food tends to be plentiful. She instead spent so many years scavenging for a living in order to survive. She stayed on Jakku out of choice because she willingly wanted to wait for her parents to come back, even though day by day (and she literally counted those days as we see in the film), it was unlikely to ever happen.

This is why I’m not really all that disappointed that she had a more tuned relationship with the Force once she understood it IS real. She was able to calm her mind (something Yoda insisted Luke should do) when the time came and it was believable to me due to her upbringing. I’m not saying by any stretch that Luke had a rich and easy life, but in comparison, Luke was living in comfort on Tatooine vs the battle scarred graveyard planet of Jakku.

In regard to TFA being favored well here in the forums, I think is not really accurate. I think instead, from what I’ve observed, are an active few on one side praising TFA, and a active few on the other side disliking it. I’ve seen quite a few less active posters post their review and the usual tends to be, “Well, it was decent, but I had some major issues with it…”

This site is indeed majorly leaning towards OT purism, which isn’t really a bad thing. This site churned out the Despecialized versions thanks to Harmy. What other places can say that? Also, Force.net I would assume gains loads more traffic than this site so you’ll see more vocal posters there than here. TV Frink’s, Hydrospanner, Lord Haseo and myself seem to be the ones whom really enjoyed it and generally don’t feel impacted by the criticisms. The majority of the posters here vary from giving it an average score to down right hating it.

The reason I wanted to chime in on that issue brought up by Smoking Lizard is because I think it was unfair to say this site is somehow less of a place when this community has done far more for Star Wars, especially the OUT, than any other place, and also because I don’t personally see this place favors TFA as a majority.

Yeah, I didn’t find the Starkiller assault all that good either. It felt like a weak background element that made me go, “oh yeah, there’s people flying around huh”
Plus, while it’s partially my fault, I think the trailers did indeed give away the only cool bits of the X Wing scenes. Never ever felt Poe was in danger either.

Thankfully, I was much more invested in whatever was going on with Finn, Rey, Han, Chewie, and Kylo during the last remaining parts of the film.

THERE, THERE IT IS!

Frink’s newest chapter to The Ridiculous franchise comes Star Wars: The Ridiculousness Unwakens*! This ground breaking film will feature over 10, 000 lines of dialogue not seen in TFA! In fact, it will feature zero footage of TFA and instead showcase page after page of OT threads lovingly praising and utterly trashing TFA!
Also, a 2hr intermission of anal acrobatics.

*Yes, I know Frink originally thought to name his potential fanedit that title.

Immediately, I think to the Endor forest. It really felt excessive and there really wasn’t much to explore. Beautiful lush plants and great Redwoods, COOL, now… erm… you’re slowing me down ferns and logs. So again, I’m not sure why we need expansive views of the setting. Show off what makes that setting standout, don’t oversell it, and focus on our characters/story. Maybe I’m just Star Wars’ing wrongly here, but I wouldn’t consider it a fault in a Star Wars film if there’s less screen time dedicated to exploring these locations. Prime reason why ESB stands out to me for making its locations rather short and sweet enough to leave the rest to imagination and focused on our character’s development/story progression.

This is a genuine question, but what do people mean when a particular Star Wars film doesn’t have an expansive view of the environment/setting? Someone mentioned Empire being less impressive in comparison to ANH because of this in some other thread, and then above me, darklordoftech is echoing this complaint for TFA and AotC.

To me, this has been a weird observation for fans to say since to me, I never felt as if any Star Wars film, all seven, have felt off because of the setting/environment not being explored enough. These movies always take me to new and interesting places via the characters. I don’t need to see LotR type shots to sell me we’re in a different location. I dunno, despite all the times I’ve seen a majority of the Star Wars film over and over, this has been one of the, in my opinion, an odd complaint here on the OT forums. Someone explain this to me.

Hm, tbh, I’ve seen a lot more comments resurface of how shit Avatar is.

And I was one of those whom saw it in Real 3D when it first came out. Like SilverWook, it was a neat experience, but not something worth a second viewing. I appreciate and respect what Cameron accomplished though. From what I understand, he had to have new technology developed to achieve the effects he wanted. Other than that, the world he created wasn’t engaging enough.

Still, mad props to Cameron for creating revolutionary stuff for its time and I kinda actually look forward to his sequels. I don’t think TFA did anything all that extraordinary except give generations of fabs a decent Star Wars movie many of us have been waiting for.

I thought the same too. Rule of two makes it less impressive since it implies it’s some key thing every Sith has to do and it’s expected. Being an anomaly as darklordoftech mentioned is far more interesting and there’s more impact to what Vader says. As if Vader has been loathing his master for a long time but had no means to overthrow him. Then comes his son and Vader has a “Ah yes, there’s finally hope in the galaxy after all!” moment. His aim was to restore order to the galaxy rather than have an apprentice for the sake of having one. I like that concept better imo.

Fair enough then Frink lol

Also, SWG taught me how to properly spell “wookiee”. There was a command to give someone a big hug which was “/wookieehug”. Since then, the extra “e” will always be remembered. So it’s amusing to see the typo posted a lot in this forum and poor SilverWook has to subtly correct them.

Will it beat Avatar globally is the big question. Come on China, please help!

TV’s Frink said:

TavorX said:

Err, I play a lot of video games, especially Star Wars ones where you gradually gain “epic lulz farce powah!!”

Yet I had no issue with Kylo/Rey in TFA and instead loved it. I don’t see the correlation :p

I said if you play “all day.”

:p

Well, some days…

There was a lot more wrong in the “late” version of SWG that makes the Watto design choice small beans 😉

Err, I play a lot of video games, especially Star Wars ones where you gradually gain “epic lulz farce powah!!”

Yet I had no issue with Kylo/Rey in TFA and instead loved it. I don’t see the correlation :p

I assumed because Ren was on a crusade to hoarde anything that used to belong to his grandpa. But maybe there’s some other imaginative reason I’m not picking up.

Somewhat relavent to this discussion:

“For us it was very purposefully going backwards to go forwards — a purposeful step backwards to tell a new story with new characters,” -Abrams
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/watch-32-minute-talk-with-jj-abrams-and-lawrence-kasdan-about-star-wars-the-force-awakens-and-more-20151222

A rather simple conclusion, but it makes sense the more I thought about it. Nothing ground breaking, but to me, it’s a smart move because he’s basically saying, if we the audience want to be engaged with these new characters, the setting should feel familiar. Yes, Rey DOES parallel Luke in significant ways (and some not), but that was the point. If we want to propel a new story, it needs to first establish our new cast in a way that is recognizable. It establishes what these characters want more clearly and therefore are able to sympathize with them more easily. Now, it’s not to say these characters need to mirror EXACTLY to their shadow characters, but enough to get the ball rolling. THEN can you do more wild and inventive story telling. It all hinges on what Episode VIII will do, but the optimistic side of me says, well, they already did A LOT of callbacks to not only ANH, but parts of Empire and Jedi. Surely they’re not dumb enough to repeat this in the next film? Some of you are rolling your eyes at me, and I don’t blame you.

Overall, I just feel it was a smart move. Was it a flawless move? NO! However, it was decent enough for me.

Hm, I kinda get what you’re saying. However, to me, the way the sequence was shot, it implied Luke fell with enough momentum for the air/wind to not really jolt him in a crushing way, but enough to sway him toward a direction that he was falling towards. If it was shot in such a way that you see Luke being caught in the tide of wind like a ragdoll, then I think your claim would make more sense.

Regardless, as you said anyway, it’s something that doesn’t really bothers you and neither for me. The only nitpick I’d point out is the dated look of his fall 😛

It’s probably been the most activity General Discussion has seen in a long time. I’m not an old member by any means, but I remember when I joined, it seemed as if Star Wars Fan Edits and off topic sections were the most active in comparison to General Star Wars discussion. I pretty much left since most of the fan edits I was keeping tabs on died out (I remember some guy doing a radical fan edit of RotS, almost alike to Adywan level of stuff but oh well).

Also, despite the rage going on, I find some value to it. Sometimes, after I watch something profound to me, I immediately seek out others’ opinions. This way, I can see the other side and then it prompts me to think of counter points and/or agree with some of the criticisms. Therefore, I get a more polished view of whatever I hold to a standard.

TV’s Frink said:

As long as we’re nitpicking in this thread, how did Luke even survive that fall? The Force?

Most of the time, I see what you’re aiming for in your defenses, but for this one, I’m not quite sure I understand this one?

Like if Luke fell from his height and landed smack down on the bottom floor and still lived, that would be really weird. But Luke simply got sucked into those vents due to what I imagine being highly powerful air circulation. It howls so freaking loud when Vader/Luke are inside and outside. I don’t exactly see what you imply that Luke should had died?

Nooo, they killed some Ewoks too, my real heroes!

Smoking Lizard said:

TavorX said:

Still, since old EU is scrapped, it’s not difficult to imagine that saber fell into a random air chute…

Right. Then the vent opened up and the lightsaber fell out like Luke did and then fell to the core of the planet and melted.

I think the reason Luke fell is because he did his best to stop himself from letting himself slide through the whole tunnel. It seems apparent that if something is not moving through the tunnel as it should and just sits there, then it gets sent to its doom. That saber on the other hand (no pun intended) could easily slide on and on since it’s not trying to stop itself from going who no knows where. Surely the end of the tunnel doesn’t lead to the outside? I would imagine there’s something tangible for it to land and someone to retrieve it.

Of course, this is all speculation, but upon quickly watching that scene of Luke in the tunnel, he could had kept sliding through but instead intentionally created enough friction for him to stop.

Still, since old EU is scrapped, it’s not difficult to imagine that saber fell into a random air chute/vent rather than the planet’s core.

Also, that EU bit sounds confusing. Is it saying Vader came back to Bespin to get that saber or Vader didn’t immediately make way for his shuttle and instead made a quick trip to a smelting facility?