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#1025448
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Rogue Zero - What was changed, reshot, etc in Rogue One?
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Tyrphanax said:

You also have to take into account that a lot of stuff these days is shot purely for the trailers and has no bearing on the actual film

I mean, you’re not wrong. I just wanted to be naive since the way TFA was marketed, I felt that its trailers were far more faithful to what we saw in theaters. Shots/dialogue that didn’t make it into the final cut, really had no effect on the film itself, so it was dismissable. Rogue One looks like it went off the rails big time when comparing trailers vs final cut.

But yeah, I totally get your stance; I made the mistake thinking that since TFA had an arguably solid ad-campaign, that it would also apply to this recent SW film.

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#1025407
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Rogue Zero - What was changed, reshot, etc in Rogue One?
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“Official” Trailer 2 from October
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI&t
vs
"International" Trailer from December
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQlQEuT07js

It’s just so jarring to think production of this film was just rather messy. One moment, it’s “it appears he’s critical to the development of a super weapon” and then in another, much later trailer, it’s “the message was sent by your father” and then finally in the film, it’s about some underwhelming mission to fetch details from Saw and ideally kill him.

Essentially, the main cast gets the main details fairly early on, but in the final cut, everything obvious gets sprinkled over bits and pieces in other scenes, making things drag out and feel convoluted. That intentional trailer sets it up where it feels like Jyn may need to head to Jedha in order to seek information about her father’s location, and then Cassian has a secondary mission to recruit and/or free some Rebel pilots. Seriously, Mon Mothma’s first initial scene in the film seems much more weaker and severely undermines giving the beginning of the film more “oompf” to get things moving/set into motion. What’s the deal?

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#1025105
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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SilverWook said:

One could argue that after what Tarkin did to that Imperial facility, the Emperor might instruct Vader to keep a close eye on him, lest the good Governor get any funny ideas.

Possibly, that kinda works for me actually. Still… I think there should had been a defined point in RO where you see the dynamic between Vader and Tarkin form. They never had contact with each other in this film, so it just seems kinda sudden when they reappear in that Imperial meeting in ANH; I get the impression Tarkin and Vader have some kind of history in that scene, but I don’t get that feeling anymore from RO.

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#1025095
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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Saw this for the first time last night, so here’s some mind vomit:
Rogue One happened to elevate my appreciation towards the original trilogy and The Force Awakens. The directors behind those films are WAY better at knowing how to pace their scenes from start to finish. Like seriously, Rogue One has really awful pacing aside from the last act. There was simply little cohesion and felt way too rocky when we transitioned from one location to another.
(This video explains how ANH’s editing does wonders for a film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NAhAEQUk8M)
This film in essence had little sense of guided direction and therefore its foundation is extremely weak. JJ Abrams, I felt, did his homework and utilized these techniques in TFA. Gareth Edwards? Hardly. He’s supremely brilliant at framing action scenes, no question about that, but very immature when it came to stringing together a narrative and development of characters.

It almost amazes me that so many high ratings are given to this film simply because of the last act, when so little was built up to give everything that emotional impact preceding the events.
Now, I won’t lie, I myself genuinely did enjoy the last spectacle, but not as much as I had hoped. I do applaud that there was least an attempt to cleverly weave in references that helped contribute to the story. Such things like using the original Squadron of X-Wing/Y-Wing pilots from the Trench Run and incorporate them into this battle was a very nice tie-in. Also, being a KOTOR fan, I REALLY did not expect to see a Hammerhead Corvette.
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Though I realize it’s not the exact ship since the Hammerhead ship in that film is featuring the variant shown in the Rebels cartoon. Still, it was equally humorous and epic to see that ship being used as a little battle ram!

Vader… hm. I was rather disappointed the way he was handled. When I picture pre-ANH Vader, I picture him, at least at this point in the Star Wars timeline, to be in close proximity to Tarkin.
Leia: “Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader’s leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board.”

Instead, Vader is seemingly uninvolved with the Empire, chilling at his secluded castle on… Mustafar… what? Felt out of character. I expected Vader to be more watchful and observing from a distance within the Empire. Totally would had been better if Vader acted like a dog for Tarkin, standing by his side. Because now, it does not connect Rogue One’s Vader to A New Hope’s Vader where Tarkin somehow, out of the blue, has that kind of authority to tell Vader a command like, “Vader, release him!” Too jarring.

Oh my, I haven’t talked about the main cast! Well… they’re there? I guess? I actually thought Jyn’s little emotional moment with her father’s message to be somewhat impacting, as I could see the wall of hardened pain and tension within her, suddenly break down. Yet, that’s pretty much the only emotional performance we get, and so little chemistry was ever established between her and the other characters. I wanted to feel the despair from seeing all these characters dying, but I couldn’t. It just felt like forced check boxes the writers were after simply because they had to die.

And dear lord, what a WASTE of Forest Whitaker! The trailers made it seem like he would offer a compelling dynamic between him and Jyn in their fight against the tyranny of the Empire. But NOPE! He could had been easily cut from the story because he essentially served little to no purpose. His presence in the film was so full of cringe and extremely over the top with little depth to justify it. His death was more comical than tragic.

Overall, I actually appreciate seeing some gritty Rebel vs Empire stuff. I kinda felt the contrast of losing hope so that A New Hope could be the story about gaining hope. But damn does it lack conviction.

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#899842
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Random Thoughts
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I’m a little sick of movies/shows at the moment. Not of ill feelings towards lack of great content, but because I feel I’m neglecting a whole universe of books. I haven’t read a book really since… high school, and that one was required. I’ve been stuck in this movie stuff for too long. I desire to be immersed in the soundtracks and visuals. Yet, I believe it would benefit me immensely to see great writing on-print for a change.

Heading to the library after work tomorrow. Will work my way up with some “classics”.

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#898759
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Worst of Wookiepedia
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imperialscum said:

TavorX said:

Meh, I’d argue it offered one of the most compelling things for the Star Wars universe and lore. I don’t see how SWTOR did, especially since Revan is a complete joke in that game.

I don’t really care about Revan side story in SWTOR (and I agree that the side story related to him is super crap). All I care are individual storylines of main characters and the main Sith vs. Republic setting. That stuff is for me one of the best Star Wars experienced for far.

Especially I like the the two Sith and the Imperial Agent storylines. It is basically the first time I could properly experience being an Imperial/Sith in a game. I also like that things are not presented in the usual boring “imperials bad, republic good” black-white contrast. Things are much more practical, down-to-earth and grey.

I will give you benefit of the doubt since I’ve heard raving praise for the Imperial Agent storyline.

Still, my curiosity is piqued when you praise SWTOR for giving you grey story material when KOTOR II also does this. It painted both Jedi and Sith in a “they’re just two extremist ideologies.” The game even will show consequence for being a jackass villian or a knight in shining armor hero and tries to encourage you to lean toward a middle ground. KOTOR II even makes you question your supposed guide/teacher throughout the game. Arguably, KOTOR I isn’t as compelling since it was mainly Jedi good, Sith bad, Republic good, Sith Empire bad routine. Doesn’t mean it’s bad by any means, as both titles aimed for different angles and achieved them very well imo.

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#898664
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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What about Nar Shaddaa? It’s supposedly the moon of Nal Hutta. I don’t have issue with Nal Varr (I presume you’re mimicking “Rhen Varr”), but just thought it wouldn’t hurt to use a planet from Legends that has history. I agree not to use Nal Hutta. For one, always found the name kinda stupid, and second, due to the reasons you already brought up, topdawg.

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#898620
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Worst of Wookiepedia
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Tobar said:

You mean the non-ending where the old woman explains everything that was supposed to happen before they ran out of budget?

I don’t think budget was an issue. Lucasfilm set ridiculous milestones/deadlines/weird last minute changes for the game’s completion. That studio, Obsidian, still showed heart and care into their story/characters. Besides, years later of fan dedication did that game get a majority of its content restored. However, I understand many still dislike the ending for still feeling rushed. Still, KOTOR II’s ending felt similar to ESB, which I adored. An open and uncertain ending.

Lucasfilm at the time was great with their gaming success as they were with their films. Not well, obviously.

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#898289
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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Diego said:

  1. Return Of The Jedi. Without a doubt the weakest of the original trilogy, but my favorite for many years, it was the first movie I ever watched. Lucas often claims that Star Wars movies are for children to defend the awful prequels, while I don’t think that argument works for the prequels (and it’s not true anyway), Return Of The Jedi is a wonderful movie for kids, it had everything, huge monsters, tons of new spaceships, the ewoks, jabba, and I loved it all. (And yes, I loved the ewok scenes, like when they’re going to cook our heroes, when I was a child). Luke’s story keeps me entertained as an adult.

Agreed. As a kid, I replayed Rotj probably the most, but admittedly, I fastforwarded that blasted VHS to the battle sequence. The immersion of the space dogfights, the moving duel between Vader/Luke, and the campy thrill of the Ewok battle with AT-ST’s was very enjoyable to me.

  1. Revenge Of The Sith. Why so many people consider this a good movie (or better than ROTJ) is really baffling to me. There’s really not a lot of difference with Clones, but I guess the (merciful) lack of love scenes puts Sith ahead. People like it cause it’s dark, but it’s so forced and nonsensical (Anakin killing little Jedi kids is so cheap and stupid) and the whole resolution so rushed, it really shows how wasted Episodes I and II really were.

I probably replayed this film as second place in my childhood. Obi-Wan vs Anakin basically is an on-screen version of what I used to pretend play as a kid: the floor is lava! So after viewing that film for the first time, I made makeshift sabers and dueled with one of my little brothers across couch cushions 😄

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#898199
Topic
What would be the best &quot;Snoke is secretly [pre-established character] all along&quot; outcome?
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Lord Haseo said:
Ezra’s power is growing pretty fast. Granted that he survives Rebels it’s feasible to believe Ezra could be an expert force wielder by the time the ST happens.

I still have issue with that. Run of the mill comments, like mine, hopes Ezra dies leading up to ANH. Doesn’t mean I necessarily hate the character, but his presence certainly challenges everything we’ve seen in the OT. It not only disrupts the Luke/Leia duo being the galaxy’s “only hope” but that also goes against the grain of when the Emperor/Vader talk about the attractive possibility of a “powerful ally” during that time.

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#898185
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Last movie seen
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I rather liked The Revenant, but it could be bias to how I’m impressed with how it was filmed for the most part, with natural lighting and still looking stunning as well as reading on how bitterly tough it was to film certain pieces.

It could had done more story wise, sure. I’m not quite sure if the repeated saying/metaphor used throughout the film made ‘sense’ or effectively tied into in the story of the film, but maybe I’m just missing it. Regardless though, it’s a revenge flick and I’m not sure if such films need all that much of compelling nature due to how inherently black and white it has to be. Kill Bill had a fun angle to it, so that’s why it tends to stand out. I just think The Revenant did its job pretty decently to pull me into a bitter and harsh environment via the character’s emotions/reactions.

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#898152
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Hal 9000 said:
I feel like this is a bonafide continuation of the story we got from ANH, ESB, and ROTJ. Since I’ve done Star Wars edits over the years, I can’t help but pose the question to myself of working with this one. But the reality is that I don’t want to; it’s solid, and does not need fan help. Perhaps an extended edition could be fun, but it doesn’t need fan fixes IMHO. Once I was able to get the initial viewing out of the way, and all of my projected hopes with it, I was able to sincerely enjoy the film for what it is.

Wow, is all I can say. In a good way I mean.

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#898125
Topic
What would be the best &quot;Snoke is secretly [pre-established character] all along&quot; outcome?
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Leia is smart because she engineered Snoke to corrupt Ben and put a rift between her and Han since marriage was falling apart and wanted out. What better way than to pull Snoke routines? Also, it allowed Han to be completely out of the picture so that she could have access to all his possessions, including the Falcon. Rey comes along to foil that plan though. Darn desert scavengers stealing the ship she had eyes on all these years!