TavorX

The Nightsisters at least made great adversaries and loot after taking them down in Star Wars: Galaxies Pre-CU 😃

I’ll take my chances and refrain.

Maybe I don’t catch on pretty quick as much I would had hoped to. Let’s just say I thought I connected the dots between your post, the above user’s signature, and that user’s actual image post; culminating into an inside joke 😉

I think he should change it.

Damn, yet another interesting layer missed by me! I personally never felt her composure was laughable as some viewers sometimes point out, as I already got the sense that she felt weighed down by relying that kind of information. But regardless, Rogue One does indeed happen to shade in Mon Mothma’s character even further when we acknowledge such sacrifices are difficult to be burdened by, time and time again.

Ah my mistake, I misread that post.

And indeed… let’s stay on target…

Hm. Drawing upon ferris209’s idea, I know I would just lose myself to tears if the ending scene was similar to Empire Strikes Back, where Leia’s remains are scattered across the last known space of Alderaan, as our fellow Resistance fighters salute, and then the film draws to a close into the credits…
I know people must be apprehensive about Episode 8 being a clone of ESB just as TFA was an ANH clone, but if it had to end on a bittersweet end just as ESB did, I would be in favor of that kind of ending for VIII…

I don’t really think Disney would waste resources on us in the first place; their main focus and demographic of fans rest in the domains of social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, and Reddit.

Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

This is a very bleak war film set in the Star Wars universe we know and love. That alone is going to cause problems for some people.

I would have liked it to be more bleak at times. Or at least consistent. In the sequence on Jedha, there is a small child crying in the street and Jyn hurries to rescue her. Then a moment later there is a guy doing martial arts comedy and a droid cracking jokes. These things do not go together.

While I agree with some of your assertions, this one I don’t quite see eye to eye on. To me, it just seemed like harmless wisecrack quips. It’s meant to loosen the tension, and I do believe that’s one of the best ways to do it. The bad way of doing so would be having a Gungan step in shit [cue laugh track]. Instead, some contrast is needed, even if the tone is serious. It’s not like that child was killed anyway (well obviously, way later we can assume that happened, sadly), so at that point in the film, the heroes are having their moment of triumph against the tyranny of those Storm Troopers. In other words, I never got the sense that our main cast of characters is ignorant to the gravity of the situation. So what, a child was crying, got saved, and was reunited with her mother(?); our minds were put into ease and open for some comedy finally after all that crazy action/drama.

ferris209 said:

I just thought about a ceremony aboard a starship depositing her body, as ashes, into space where Alderaan was.

That gave me the chills thinking about that…

I think if they all lived, it would defeat the purpose of the tone Rogue One is after. That is, for A New Hope to shine “HOPE”, the events preceding it had to be tragic.

I saw Rogue One the day she passed away as well, and it did hit me emotionally too, given the context of that day.

Empire Strikes Back still remains my top favorite Star Wars film, despite knowing how cliche it is to say that. Its atmosphere and the stakes raised within this film is pretty much nailed for me compared to any of the other ones. It’s basically the Star Wars film where I enjoy all its aspects. The rest of the films, I enjoy it for more specific reasons rather than as a whole. The Force Awakens for instance, I’m really fond of its characters, especially Rey and Kylo, but not so much the story. A New Hope, I appreciate for its technical marvel of its time, and its editing direction, though I may be blasted for saying it’s not that ‘fun’ to watch; it’s pretty linear in story progression. Simple is good at times, and it tells its story well, but for personal preference, I like being invested in multiple story arcs within a film that all converge.
Return of the Jedi remains to me the best space battle I’ve seen, even still having seen Rogue One. Rogue One I think has the most badass space battle moments, sure, but Jedi has the most emotionally driven space battle, so I felt more invested in that one. Just like how the Prequels may feature well-choreographed duels, Return of the Jedi’s Luke vs Vader duel or Rey vs Kylo, those have more emotion driving it.

Hence, my list would go something like this:

1. Empire Strikes Back (Best balance of drama, humor, and character investment; its atmosphere is done very well and sends me into the Star Wars universe quite effectively)
2. The Force Awakens (I’m admittedly more interested in Rey’s beginnings here than in Luke’s from ANH)
3. A New Hope (Despite what I said, it has this charm to it that still brings me back, given its history)
4. Return of the Jedi (Luke’s confrontation with Vader always stands out, along with an arguably gripping space battle; its first half is suffering)
5. Rogue One (I like the tone it went after, and it’s a visual treat, but characters didn’t pack a punch)
6. Revenge of the Sith (Eh, still remains to be the most watchable Prequel)
7. Attack of the Clones (Pretty much only stay for the 2nd half shrugs)
8. The Phantom Menace (Even as a kid, I always avoided this one, and still even now, it’s so dry and bland)

Interesting observation about Vader & Krennic that I totally missed. In a way, Vader just wants to see who’s going to be the top selling bid, Tarkin or Krennic? I now like the additional layer added to that sequence; thanks for pointing it out.

Anchorhead said:

TavorX said:
Wow, you just made me realize how damn emotional it would be if Galen was found on Scarif by Jyn. Instead of random romantic hands scene between Jyn and Cassian, it would had fit SO MUCH better if Jyn was crying and hugging Galen as their final moments slip away into the explosion left by the Death Star.

I was very happy that they avoided something that melodramatic. This isn’t a feel-good story. It’s harsh. The characters don’t get moments of inner peace or closure the way they did in the previous films. No “we’ll find Han”, no Ben talking to Luke in the trench run, and no Force ghosts waving goodbye. This is a war film.

It’s not like my idea is all that chipper to begin with? They’d still die by the hands of the Death Star.

If the first KOTOR ever got made into a movie, it would get criticized for being too much like A New Hope & Empire Strikes Back. If the second KOTOR got made into a movie, it would get criticized for not being Star Wars-y enough and boring.

Youtube has one of the movies for free streaming, probably for a special reason given that time of year.

Wow, you just made me realize how damn emotional it would be if Galen was found on Scarif by Jyn. Instead of random romantic hands scene between Jyn and Cassian, it would had fit SO MUCH better if Jyn was crying and hugging Galen as their final moments slip away into the explosion left by the Death Star.
Dammit, I KNEW something felt wrong when Krennic didn’t take Galen by force aboard his shuttle. THAT could had been the excuse to take Galen to Scarif for imprisonment/interrogation and forcing Galen to expose all of his message logs.

It feels weird to be in the minority on this, from what I’ve seen in video reviews, but I really found that mantra annoying. It’s said so quickly and then repeated over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. I would have immensely preferred if he said it more slowly and repeat it far less often as he did in the film. In regard to his significance being diminished, perhaps you could say Chirrut finally inspired the rest of the characters to believe in the Force again through his actions. Right from the start of the film, Jyn’s mother says, “Trust in the Force,” and so Jyn may have forgotten to “trust” in the Force over the years. She still clings onto her necklace as a reminder, but it serves, I think, as a weak sense of hope that needs to be ignited again. That’s where Chirrut’s character comes in. I don’t think there’s much need for the other characters to give him the cold shoulder when he already demonstrated how in tune with the Force he was. Hell, even before that fight, he managed to “see” Jyn in that crowd just by sensing the energy from Jyn’s kyber-crystal necklace; essentially he won Jyn over from any doubts. His friend probably just likes to be that good ol’ buddy that teases you for this and that, but chooses to be more stubborn in their own way of approaching things. Admittedly, we unfortunately don’t know the origin of that friendship, so I do agree some emotional impact was lost regardless when Chirrut dies in Blaze’s arms. I still, however, think that Chirrut’s role isn’t that diminished and instead he serves his role about the Force in a more subtle manner (just for the love of god, the way that mantra was handled, blah).

Saw is very useless in this story, I so agree. It’s not just him saying, “Save the dream!” but he also says “Save the Rebellion!”, like am I supposed to care that he suddenly had a change of heart and thinks the Rebellion is a viable option, near his own death no less? Okay dude, nice knowing ya I guess.

I think Tarkin needed to be in this movie. If you wanted Krennic to be the only one in charge, then you have to explain why such a powerful person in the Empire is not in the following movies, especially in A New Hope. It was essential to show the change in command stripped from Krennic and into Tarkin’s hands. The Death Star is Tarkin’s favorite toy, so somewhere down the line, prior to A New Hope, there has to be that connective tissue of him taking command of it. Now, it did bother me some that he looked like a video game character, and it really disappointed me how they would have an extreme close up of BOTH Tarkin and another real actor’s face, like Krennic, as it did nothing but glaringly highlight the noticeable difference between CGI face vs real face. It would have been far more effective to have more distanced shots and/or put Tarkin under some shadows or in reflection.

The Death Star being used as it was in Rogue One doesn’t really take away from the destruction of Alderaan, imo. I think it heightens it because it shows how even more bold and defiant Leia is, as she must know by now that the Death Star packs a lethal punch; what she may had not known was that it would fully destroy her planet like that.

Haha, that could work then!

Another idea: “Apology accepted, director”

RogueLeader said:

TavorX said:

-When that pilot defector mentions the call sign “Rogue One”, roll out the Star Wars credits briefly.

Building off of this, you could roll out the credits or title card for shorter increments each time someone says “Rogue One”.

About how many times was it said afterwards? I can only remember that specific scene.

I was thinking initially that Krennic was being polite not to land his shuttle on fertile farming ground and thus appear more personable towards Galen.

But I’d say you provide an above and beyond solid reason

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-When that pilot defector mentions the call sign “Rogue One”, roll out the Star Wars credits briefly.
-When the Rogue One title appears, add “a Star Wars Toy Story” subtitle and play some bits of the “You’ve Got a Friend in Me” song; some kind of spin of that.
-During the meeting at the end, and when that political leader says, “What chance do we have?” insert Han Solo’s “How do we blow it up? There’s always a way to do that.” or when Jyn is trying to give that speech, and then pauses, then insert that line among the background chatter.

Tyrphanax said:

TavorX said:

My memory is poor too, but from what I remember, I thought that’s what that Rebel Politician was discussing with Cassian, in private; to take out Saw when given the chance. In extension, I guess killing Galen would be also on the agenda since I suppose that Rebel guy thought Galen and Saw could be working together some how…?

Ah… no.

Galen Erso sent Bodhi Rook (the pilot with the message about the Death Star) to Saw, because Galen trusts Saw (as we saw [hah] in the opening scene) and presumably doesn’t know he’s since gone a bit insane.

Cassian finds out about the pilot and Galen’s message from Tivik (the informant he kills on the Ring of Kafrene who works as an Alliance informant inside of Saw’s sect), then takes this intel to the Mon Mothma and the other Rebels on Yavin IV. They obviously want to know more about this alleged “planet killer,” but they can’t just go talk to Saw because he’s gone super extremist and kills their people, so they decide to bust Jyn Erso out because they know she’s close to Saw and he possibly won’t kill her so that they have a chance to set up a meeting with Saw about Galen’s message.

Jyn and Cassian are sent to set up this meeting and to see if the pilot can lead them to Galen himself, ostensibly to extract him because of what he knows, but General Draven (at least him, Mon Mothma might have sanctioned it too, but we dunno) catches Cassian as they’re about to leave for Jedha to see Saw (hah) and tells him to “forget what he heard” in the briefing about extracting Galen and that he’s too dangerous to be left alive to potentially develop more weapons for the Empire, and that he must be killed on sight.

And that’s the first act of Rogue One. =P

That clears that up then, thank you.

Darn these Saw puns!

TV’s Frink said:

Don’t forget the part where Krennic lands too far away from everything. Now, it doesn’t have to bother you, but you still have to mention it, otherwise you’ve not done a proper review of Act One.

Obviously, they needed to conserve their fuel to get to Coruscant, afterwards.

dahmage said:
they viewed him as too extreme, yes. but i don’t think the alliance would ever choose to have him killed. maybe a rogue (lol, haha, see what i did?) commander would, just like they did with galen, but not as the alliance.

and Saw is a bit delusional no doubt, too much killing of others will make you paranoid like that.

Yeah, I get that the Alliance itself wouldn’t motion for that, hence that private talk between Cassian and that Rebel Alliance superior right before heading to Jedha. But again, my memory is probably off the mark about wanting to take out Saw.

Hm, so in that case, Saw appears even more delusional when he says something along the lines of, “You’re here to kill me?”

…but still, I got the impression that the Rebel Alliance viewed Saw and his band of terrorists as an issue, so it would benefit them if Saw could be killed before doing anything else reckless. Am I wrong?

My memory is poor too, but from what I remember, I thought that’s what that Rebel Politician was discussing with Cassian, in private; to take out Saw when given the chance. In extension, I guess killing Galen would be also on the agenda since I suppose that Rebel guy thought Galen and Saw could be working together some how…?