Tantive3+1

deleted

adywan said:

OK, Here is the sneak peek at the new ANH:R HD edit of the Obi-Wan/ Vader duel.
The editing in the HD version differs slightly from the SD version . In the final version there will be two audio tracks: The main 5.1 track will be the music less versions, while track 2 will have the added music as seen in the original SD version of ANH:R

https://youtu.be/HHmlOcakOPs

adywan said:

Actually the audio used is the 1997 SE theatrical 5.1 DTS throughout with only the dialogue for Vader using the 2011 DTS track because of the differences. Sound effects for the clashes have been added due to the editing. The mix for the 2011/2020 blu-rays is horrendous when compared to the 1997 5.1 DT theatrical. I’ve been noticing so many things missing from the blu-ray mixes; missing foley, sound effects coming from the wrong channels amongst other things. It also a very flat mix in places. So the final release audio track will be a combination of the 97 theatrical DTS & the 2001 blu-ray mix. The lines were swapped around in the original ANH:R, so i kept it that way. The old regrade i did was only ever going to used as a basis for this edit. This will have an updated grade

A definite improvement over the SD version. I like seeing that Obi-Wan doesn’t ignite his lightsaber first.

marioxb said:

Looks great! I just can’t help but think that, knowing what we now know, I don’t think Obi Wan would call him “Darth”, would he? I think Anakin or Vader would be better. Maybe both?

Keeping it as close to the original is the best way to go. If drastic changes like that are made, then it should only be done to enhance the scene.

Superweapon VII said:

• No lightsaber duels for Yoda
  This rule will annoy some fan geeks, but it’s important. The original SW films followed mythic storytelling patterns outlined by Joseph Campbell and so each character is an archetype. These archetypes have built-in rules that limit what a writer can do with such a character. If the writer breaks those rules then they aren’t writing an archetypal character. In general, there is nothing wrong with that, but that’s not SW. Yoda, like Obi-Wan, is a mentor to Luke, a “wise old man”. His age means the wise old man comes from a different time (and at 800 years old, Yoda exaggerates this as only science fiction can), but it is no accident that Yoda is also non-human. The wise old man is often a foreigner from another land, and making Yoda non-human exaggerates this yet again as only science fiction can. Finally, as a spiritual mentor, Yoda is a visual metaphor for the Force itself. He may be physically frail and diminutive in size, but that doesn’t matter. His strength lies in his spiritualness. He is brains over brawn, spiritual strength over physical strength. Consider how he trained Luke to be a thinking, feeling, and reflecting Jedi, not a soldier. Lucas’s prequels threw all that out of the window and turned Yoda into a back-flipping, twirling ninja.

I wouldn’t include Yoda as a present character to begin with.

That’s interesting, but it does leave the question of how he escaped the purge.

https://youtu.be/7H_6NtdGx50

This is adywan being interviewed on The Expanded Fandomverse Podcast where at 1:11:25 he talks about ROTJ:R.

I’m wondering if this is still being considered?
https://youtu.be/7H_6NtdGx50?start=4815

This is another post that was made by a blogger named Mike Ruso. Like this one here, it outlines some of the things that the ST should’ve been, mostly with TFA.

Again, I am not the original author of this. I’m only posting this here so that people can discuss and comment about it while also sharing ideas since the blog page doesn’t have a comments section.

https://www.mikeruso.com/blog/the-force-awakens-buried-the-lead/

FIRING WEAPONS THROUGH HYPERSPACE IS WAY SCARIER THAN BLOWING UP PLANETS
Every review I’ve seen of TFA, both positive and negative, has missed the biggest bombshell dropped on us by JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan: the First Order can fire a weapon through hyperspace. This information came from a single line of dialog, delivered by an insignificant, nameless character, but it should have been even more terrifying news than when the rebellion first learned of the DS. Everyone in the room should have stopped and shuddered at the implications. Through hyperspace!

Until now, weapons in the SW universe have always operated at visual range. The DS was powerful but needed to be in sight of its target. Because of that, the rebels always had time to prepare a counterattack or flee. However, a weapon that can fire through hyperspace, regardless of its destructive capacity, is the ultimate weapon of terror.

Cities, bases, and ships could be destroyed anytime, anywhere in the galaxy, with no warning. No one could ever feel safe, not even in the most remote edges of the galaxy. However, it seems the filmmakers were so blinded by their desire to retread the OT, that they missed the opportunity to tell a compelling original story about terrorism, imperial collapse, and the realities of regime change.

GALACTIC POLITICS POST-RETURN OF THE JEDI
Most reviewers have commented on the galaxy’s confusing politics in TFA. As expected, a New Republic has been formed under the leadership of the Rebellion, but the Empire seems just as strong as ever, now re-branded as the First Order. Not only is the First Order as well equipped and funded as the Empire, their new Star Destroyers are even bigger than before! And Starkiller Base is bigger than the DS! Even more confusingly, instead of an Army of the Republic, we have something called the Resistance. The opening crawl should have provided some details, but it did not. So what happened after the death of Emperor Palpatine?

It seems a whole bunch of scenes were shot with Princess Leia that would have explained this mess, but they were cut from the film. They are included in the DVD but present a confused, poorly thought out history of the galaxy after ROTJ.  Here is a summary:  Following the Battle of Endor, the rebellion clashes with remnants of the imperial fleet, culminating in a battle above Jakku where the rebellion is victorious. The leadership of the Rebellion then signs a treaty with imperial loyalists that brings peace but divides the galaxy. Some of the galaxy remains the territory of the First Order while the rest forms the New Republic – in other words, the Rebellion failed in its mission to liberate the entire galaxy from tyranny and was comfortable with a partial victory. Afterward, Leia tries to convince Republic politicians of the threat posed by the First Order, but her arguments to build a new Army of the Republic are inexplicably rejected. Thus, she leaves politics and forms the Resistance to fight the First Order. Meanwhile, the First Order builds in strength and secretly violates its treaty with the New Republic.

KEEP THE GOOD GUYS AS UNDERDOGS
Politics in TFA are a big mess, but I know why JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan did it: SW is about cheering for the underdog. They had to come up with a way, no matter how convoluted, to make the good guys an underdog even though the Rebellion clearly triumphed at the end of ROTJ.

I agree with the goal but not the means they took to achieve it. There was a better way, one so simple it could have been outlined in the opening crawl. A weapon that can fire through hyperspace is key, as is taking inspiration from history. Here’s how I would have done it:

1) A liberated galaxy Unlike in TFA, the Rebel Alliance successfully liberated the entire galaxy and no part remains the territory of an imperial holdout

2) A fractured galaxy After the Battle of Endor and the defeat of the Empire, it’s unlikely the entire galaxy would have willingly united under a single government, no matter how democratic, and especially without the Jedi. It was the galaxy’s unification that allowed the Empire to form in the first place. Instead, the galaxy more likely would have fractured into small regional states based on race, ethnicity, language, et cetera, just as the Soviet Union did. Or as Yugoslavia did. Or as Iraq is currently doing. The Rebel Alliance was united in their opposition to the Empire after all, not necessarily by a shared vision of a post-war order. Additionally, without the Jedi and their religion of the Force, nothing can unite the many races of the galaxy

3) Imperial loyalists go underground, become cult-like, and form terror cells  Like after the fall of Nazi Germany, there would logically be imperial loyalists who believe with religious-like fervor in the glory of the former Empire. Their ideology would be similar to but not exactly like that of the Empire. For example, Neo-nazis rarely display an aptitude for strategic political thinking or the discipline that characterized the original Nazi party during its ascendancy. In my imagining of SW, the neo-imperialists would likely be devout believers in the Force (its dark side, obviously) even though the old Empire was atheistic and materialistic. Why? Since the Emperor and Vader were believers, but no one else was, it’s easy to imagine that the neo-imperialists would come to believe that if the entire Empire had been believers, they would not have been defeated.

4) A campaign of terror  One of these neo-imperialists, a former imperial scientist, has developed a new technology that can fire a weapon through hyperspace. While small compared to the DS, it is mobile and can destroy cities and military bases with a single shot. This weapon can fire from any point in space and hit any other point in space, and the neo-imperialists use it to engage in a campaign of galaxy-wide terrorism.

5) Terrorism destabilizes a still struggling galaxy Still rebuilding from years of imperial rule and civil war, the galactic peace is fragile and susceptible to fear. The campaign of terror waged by the neo-imperialists fosters authoritarianism, militarism, and distrust among the many small states.

6) Only the Jedi can find the hyperspace weapon and unite the small states under a shared belief system The opening of TFA starts with a great hook: where is Luke Skywalker? Clearly, the galaxy needs the Jedi, but the reason provided by Max Von Sydow’s character is terrible: “Without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the Force”. Like all the talk of Force-balancing in the PT, this is nonsense. We are never presented with an explanation of what a balanced Force means, or looks like, or why “an energy field created by all living things [that] surrounds us and penetrates us [and] binds the galaxy together” needs balancing by human agency. Instead, it would have been much more compelling if Leia and company were searching for Luke because they had failed time and again to locate the hyperspace weapon, and every day galactic peace and stability grew weaker. Only Luke and his use of the Force could track down the weapon. (Remember how it’s Vader, with his preternatural abilities, who discern the location of the hidden rebel base in ESB? Same thing.)

Here’s how the opening crawl of my alternative Episode 7 would read:

• Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the small but sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire. With a new weapon that can fire through hyperspace, it wages a campaign of terror across the galaxy. No city or planet is safe.
  The NEW REPUBLIC struggles to
  maintain a fragile peace with many small states that formed after the collapse of the Empire, but without the Jedi has been unable to find the hyperspace weapon or bring an end to the terrorism. Desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy, Senator Leia Organa has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku, where an old ally has discovered a clue to Luke’s whereabouts….

Keeps the politics simple yet exciting, right? The good guys remain underdogs. What’s at stake is straightforward and easy to understand – and it doesn’t bury the lead.

- September 2016

PS - Journalism majors, I know that in journalism jargon you spell it “lede” but nobody else does.

© Mike Ruso, 2020
all rights reserved

That guy with no name said:

Hey Adywan!
quick question are you going tp be fixing this?

Another error that isn’t shown in that pic is in the scene before the MF goes into hyperspace, Han is wearing his pilot’s gloves. Then in the next shot with Chewbacca suddenly wearing his bandolier belt, Han is no longer wearing them.

If adywan decides to fix these things then that would be great.

Bridger12 said:

adywan said:
And there will be no HDR/ Dolby Vision colour grade. I see people ask this a lot, along with asking for a Dolby Atmos sound mix. I’m just a guy working on a home PC and not in a fully equipped professional studio. I just don;t have the facilities to be able to do things like this.

Will they have DTS-HD Master Audio sound mixes instead?

adywan said:

Now the audio side of things for the 1080p releases . I’m not sure if rendering a 6.1 or 7.1 track is even worth it TBH. The 6.1 audio track on the 2011 blu-rays for the OT are a bit of a con. The extra track contains silence for about 99% of the film. There are very quick sound effects in about 6 places throughout Empire . And the 2020 7.1 just duplicate this track to give the extra track. So anyone that complains if i just do 5.1 audio is really complaining for no reason. But the main reason why it may just be 5.1 is because i do not have any software that can encode DTS-MA let alone encode a 6.1 or 7.1 audio track. The DTS software suite is ridiculous price and now only seems to be available for Mac. If i were able to create a 6.1 DTS track then i would need to remake the extra channel(s) from scratch and i only have a 5.1 setup so i couldn’t really test out the extra channels anyway.

This is something that I would like to see in a TLJ fan edit

https://youtu.be/Jkr9iGBdyQo

This scene of having the Praetorian Guard holding lightsabers makes it look like they were trained in the Sith arts which makes it more interesting compared to what they were originally holding.

Something that I’ve always wondered about is if the Emperor’s Royal Guards from ROTJ were aware that he was a Sith while the Empire wasn’t.

If everything outlined in the first post is what Gary Kurtz’s intentions were for ROTJ, then the only thing I would change about it is Vader being Luke’s father not being a lie.

These are some of the things that I would like to see incorporated into adywans ROTJ:R in some way, like the film ending with the funeral pyre scene showing Luke being alone, but he’s stated that only the space and ground battles will be changed like this.

It’s a shame that Lucas got disillusioned with the film industry after Raiders of the Lost Ark, believing that the audience only cared about thrills and entertainment and not about the story. This is just one of the many things that led ROTJ to become what it is now.

The way I’ve always preferred the “Look sir, droids!” scene is the way it was shown in the Theatrical version, but with only one CGI dewback in the background.

But if they don’t hold up enough to be used for the HD version then so be it.

The only thing that I’m left wondering about is if the Ronto that appears during the entering Mos Eisley scene is going to be left in or removed?
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/STAR-WARS-EP-IV-2004-REVISITED-ADYWAN-1080p-HD-VERSION-NOW-IN-PRODUCTION/id/5942/page/470#1481569

adywan said:

Tantive3+1 said:

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/ars-details/

It says here on the Revisted WordPress page that there’s going to be a new Obi-Wan/Ben’s Hut matte that isn’t going to be the Theatrical or the SE ones that were used.

Is this still being considered?

yes. I won’t be using the SE version of the Hutt. Originally i was going to create a new model but i’m waiting to see if a better version appears in the Kenobi show before i decide what route to take.

Cool. Sounds Great!

darkzip said:

alexp120 said:

darkzip said:
V2’s upscaling begins!

edit: Son of a Nerf Herder. Windows decided to update during my overnight run. Oh well, I’m going to see if reencoding the already upscaled version to the correct fps fixes the stutter before I try rerunning topaz

I would just start over from the PAL source–that is, if you’ve managed to get one. If there’s a delay in delivering the final product, so be it. We would just have to be patient and wait. We want the final product to be good.

So, thank you for doing it.

It’s an ongoing process at this point. I’m hoping to have a V2 I’m satisfied with by the end of this week (or potentially the following week)

Were you able to notice any of the issues that were mentioned here?https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1483542/action/topic#1483542?

NeverarGreat said:

Blue lightsabers are a reasonable idea. Also, in keeping with the idea that the Jedi were protectors from a more idealized time, I imagine they would have been more like Samurai than soldiers. For example, many would be in service to the reigning monarchs of the frontier worlds like the King of Alderaan, and these were the only ones known as Knights as opposed to people like Yoda who were always unaffiliated teachers and mentors. These Jedi Knights would wear black like Luke in ROTJ.

If the Empire are like Nazis that rose to power, then the Jedi should be like Rabbis who walk around with katanas.

Not sure about them wearing black though.

Are there any ground rules that anyone thinks were left out?

It may not be all that important to include, as it’s not something that’s explicitly stated in the OT, but something that I’ve always believed for an alternative prequel or any PT fan edit is that all Jedi lightsabers should be blue.

I think it was ray_afraid who said that one of the things that would add more depth to the OT was if Aunt Beru was Anakin’s sister who was also Force-sensitive.

While I agree that Beru should be depicted as someone who had a deep, meaningful, and close-bonding relationship with Anakin (like maybe a sister?) instead of just being two people who briefly meet, I also believe that it would be the kind where if Anakin never left Tatooine and became a Jedi, they would’ve ended up being married (that doesn’t mean she should be depicted as his girlfriend).

I don’t remember where I was reading about this (possibly the TESB:R thread), but there was a discussion before about changing Tatooine in the first part of ROTJ to a jungle planet.

Do all Imperial Officers speak with a British accent?

If so, then should the ones that were depicted in ANH speaking with American accents be redubbed to speak this way?

The only thing I disagree with is that some of these imply that Vader/Anakin knew that he had a son during the prequels, but there’s a direct quote from ROTJ that contradicts this. It’s from the scene on Dagobah when Obi-Wan is telling Luke about his sister

“To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born. The Emperor knew as I did that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him”

This would mean that Vader/Anakin did not know that he had a son, or that his wife was pregnant when he turned to the dark side.

I am not the original author of this. This guide is by a blogger named Mike Ruso, who posted about things he believed the PT should’ve been. Since the blog page doesn’t have a comments section, I figured I’d create a thread about it here using the same information from the blog page so that people can discuss and comment about it while also sharing ideas.

I’ve also tried to contact him, but I haven’t gotten a response from him.

While posting this, I corrected a few of the misquotes from the films and some grammar errors.

https://www.mikeruso.com/blog/alternative-star-wars-prequels-some-ground-rules/

Follow the Structure, Formulas, and Story Logic of the Original Trilogy
I camped out for TPM tickets and spent the night playing SW Trivial Pursuit with a guy who had named his son and daughter after Luke and Leia. He probably felt worse than I did when we finally got into the theater, but boy, what a disappointment.

My biggest complaints with the prequels are not the wildly ridiculous improbabilities (Vader built C-3PO?) or the intense dullness of trade negotiations, but in the way, the prequels simply do not make sense in light of what we learned about the SW universe and its characters from episodes 4, 5, & 6.

For example, Darth Vader was supposed to have once been a GREAT MAN, but in the prequels, he was a whiny, self-centered brat. Also, Obi-Wan and R2-D2 are compatriots who fight together in the prequels, but when Obi-Wan meets R2-D2 in ANH, he clearly has never seen him before and explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid”. So after seventeen years or so, he doesn’t recognize his copilot from the Clone Wars? What are we supposed to think? Is Obi-Wan senile? This is the tip of a continuity error iceberg.

In my view, the statements, situations, and character behaviors from episodes 4, 5, & 6 constitute a set of rules that all subsequent stories set in the SW universe should follow. The prequels written by George Lucas seem like bad fan fiction, with ideas in such contradiction with the canon that they would have been quickly rejected in any writers’ room.

Didn’t like the prequels? Write your own
If you didn’t like the PT and have often thought about how they could or should have been, then I encourage you to write your own alternative trilogy. Go for it. It’s just for fun. It’s fan fiction. But how should you do it?

First, ignore the EU. Disney has tossed aside the EU as non-canonical, and the new movies will not follow any of the EU storylines. You should too. I’m not familiar with the EU (I’ve never read a SW novel or played a video game), but it seems like a wise decision not to be bound to a hodgepodge of sometimes bizarre and contradictory storylines created by different people who weren’t collaborating with each other.

Instead, follow the guidelines and clues from the OT:

DIRECT QUOTES
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.

• “Some damn fool idealistic crusade” sounds like a quote
  When Obi-Wan talks about Luke’s uncle, he says, “He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’”. The way he delivers that line and even the words themselves sound like a quote. It sounds very much like Obi-Wan is quoting something Owen said to Luke’s father in front of Obi-Wan, and so this event could be a scene in one of the prequels.

• Ben Kenobi stopped going by the name of Obi-Wan before Luke was born
  In ANH, when Luke first meets Ben Kenobi, he asks about Obi-Wan, to which Kenobi soon explains, “I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born”. This is interesting because it implies Kenobi left the Jedi Order before Anakin turned to the dark side.

• Owen did not want Luke’s father to fight in the Clone Wars
  Obi-Wan says that Owen wanted Luke’s father to stay at home rather than fight in the wars. “He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved”. There’s an awful lot of backstory packed into that simple line. First, Anakin was an idealistic young man, so in the prequels, we should see some of that idealism. It implies that Owen and Anakin were living together in the same place they both considered home, rather than virtual strangers who met after Anakin joined the Jedi, as in Lucas’s prequels. Owen and Anakin were also close and probably blood brothers and Owen loudly protested Anakin leaving him and joining the Jedi. Finally, fighting in the Clone Wars also seemed to have been a choice – so there was no draft.

• Obi-Wan never owned a droid
  Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid”. And later speaks directly to R2-D2: “Now, let’s see if we can’t figure out what you are, my little friend, and where you come from” Unless we want to imply that Obi-Wan has gone senile, he should not own or have a close relationship with R2-D2 or any droid in the prequels.

• Darth Vader helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi
  We later learn in ESB that part of Obi-Wan’s statement is untrue, but he says specifically that Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights”. This statement is very interesting because Obi-Wan says, “the Empire”, not the Emperor or the Sith, which means the Empire was already established when the Jedi were wiped out, and rather than a simultaneous, single slaughter, the Jedi were hunted down one by one.

• Governor Tarkin outranks Vader
  In ANH, when Vader is choking the non-believer who berates him, Governor Tarkin orders, “Vader, release him”, and Vader complies, which means that Tarkin outranks Vader. Leia even quips that Tarkin holds Vader’s leash. And after sensing Obi-Wan’s presence on the Death Star, Vader reports this information to Tarkin before taking any other action. If Vader is the Emperor’s right-hand man, as I assume, then Tarkin must be an incredibly powerful imperial official, in addition to the fact that he commands the Death Star. As a result, I think we can infer that Tarkin played an integral role in the toppling of the Republic and the formation of the Empire. Therefore he should play a role in the prequels.

• Obi-Wan served Leia’s father as a general during the Clone Wars
  “You served my father in the Clone Wars”. Leia’s message in ANH implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan, commanded by Leia’s father, who would logically be the king. This implies that despite a unified republic, individual planets each had their own military during the wars before consolidation under imperial rule into a single military. Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks, which means Obi-Wan either volunteered or was conscripted into this military.

• Vader knows he has a son and knows Obi-Wan was with him
  Throughout ESB, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke? When Vader and Obi-Wan fought on the Death Star, neither said anything about Luke. And in ROTJ, Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well”. How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan (which is only partially true since Yoda did most of the training)? The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son, knew his name was Luke, and sometime after Luke’s birth, Obi-Wan kidnapped Luke and hid him away, which logically would have enraged Anakin.

• Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter
  In ROTJ, Vader reads Luke’s mind and discovers Luke has a twin sister. His response is: “Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me”. That means Vader knew about Luke, but somehow Obi-Wan (or somebody, see below) kept him ignorant of Leia. That’s gonna be tough, from a writing standpoint, to make believable, but it has to be in the prequels.

• Obi-Wan does not know about Leia?
  When Luke flies away from Dagoba in ESB, Obi-Wan says to Yoda: “That boy is our last hope”, Yoda replies “No, there is another”. It’s possible that Yoda is simply reminding Obi-Wan that Luke has a sister, but it could imply that Obi-Wan never knew about Leia, that even he was kept in the dark about her in order to protect her from Vader.

• Leia knew her mother
  In ROTJ, Luke asks Leia about her mother, and she tells him that she doesn’t remember much except feelings because she died when she was “very young”, which is quite different from “when I was a newborn infant”. That fact that she has memories of her mother at all implies her mother lives at least a few years after her birth.

• Vader has a catchphrase
  After Vader gets Luke to fall into the carbonite freezing chamber, he says, “All too easy”. He says this to himself, which is odd, and it implies this is something he says to himself all the time. In the prequels, Anakin could use this expression.

• The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards”
  An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader”, and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan, says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man”, Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions”. Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the Empire. If the Jedi were simply slaughtered like in Lucas’s prequels, that would have made them martyrs – their status in the culture would be exulted. So instead, the prequels need to show how the majority of common people in the Republic lose faith in the Jedi and in the Force. Perhaps having them lose battles against the clones while a secular army wins might do it.

• Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
  In ROTJ, Obi-Wan says that Vader’s “more machine now than man. Twisted and evil”. But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine. So how did he know about Anakin’s transformation? Did he read about it in the news?  More logically, he must have been present for Anakin’s step-by-step conversion – he saw it happen. It would have been like watching a slow-moving train coming at you while tied to the tracks.

• Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi, maybe
  When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber, he says, “Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it”. Let’s take that statement at face value. That implies Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi like him before turning to the dark side. Perhaps he quit the Jedi but nevertheless wanted Luke to join and gave the weapon to Obi-Wan. Maybe he just said offhand one day while wielding it, “This will be my son’s one day”.

• No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
  Governor Tarkin to Vader in ANH, “You, my friend, are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion”, so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith, despite the fact that he is the ultimate insider — he outranks Vader. That means no one knows, possibly not even Obi-Wan and Yoda, who never warn Luke that the Emperor knows the Force or that his rise to power and defeat of the Jedi is because of his strength with the Force, ability to see the future, et cetera.

• The Force is supernatural
  This should almost go without saying, but the Force is “an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together”.

FURTHER INFERENCES WE CAN MAKE
In addition to direct quotes from characters, we can extrapolate information about the past and how the SW universe works from a close reading of the OT.

• Luke’s reaction when he learns his father fought in the Clone Wars
  Luke explicitly says “It’s not that I like the Empire, I hate it…” but nevertheless, he seems to be proud when Obi-Wan tells him that his father fought in the Clone Wars rather than simply piloting a freighter as his uncle told him. This implies many things. Obviously, Uncle Owen lied, but more importantly, Luke’s sense of pride reveals that the Clone Wars did not lead to the Republic’s fall and the rise of the Empire. The clone army could not have become the Storm Troopers since Luke hates the Empire. And that “damn fool idealistic crusade” Obi-Wan refers to was probably the Clone Wars. It seems likely that the Clone Wars were like WWII, a war to save civilization itself from something as evil as the Nazis – and the Clones must have been that something, which is what we all assumed the first time we watched ANH, right?

• Skywalker sounds like a nickname
  Skywalker is a great name, but it doesn’t sound like a real last name. It’s certainly not an occupational surname like Smith, Brewer, Carpenter, Carver, Cook, Fisher, Taylor, et cetera. Besides, Owen is a farmer. To me, Skywalker sounds like a nickname, the kind of nickname someone might get if they were an extraordinarily gifted pilot like we know Anakin was.

• Uncle Owen is embittered and knows a lot about Anakin
  In Lucas’s prequels, Owen is a virtual stranger who meets Anakin just once and is not blood-related. But in ANH, Owen seems to know an awful lot about Anakin, information he keeps from Luke, and he is very bitter about the subject. Beru, on the other hand, says things like, “Luke’s just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his father in him”, with warmth, even fond remembrance, as if whatever wounded Owen didn’t affect her or time has been able to heal her wounds, while Owen’s disgruntled response is, “That’s what I’m afraid of” This implies that Anakin hurt Owen personally, directly, in a way he is never able to forgive him for. Perhaps Anakin betrayed and abandoned his brother and sister-in-law when he turned to the dark side.

• Vader seems emotionally desperate for a family
  Vader’s plea in ESB for Luke to join him so that they can “rule the galaxy as father and son” seems very emotional, even desperate. This is not the cold calculating of the Emperor who wants to use Luke’s abilities. This is an intense emotional plea, a deep longing for family in addition to power. Might he have made a similar offer to his brother in the past? Maybe Vader/Anakin’s greatest personal tragedy was the loss of his son.

• The galaxy is a republic, and yet there is a princess
  This is poly-sci 101, but it’s worth mentioning: while Britain is a democracy, it is not a republic. Iran, on the other hand, is not a democracy, but it is a republic. The United States is both a democracy and a republic. A republic is simply a country where the position of head of state is not inherited. Britain, Sweden, Denmark, et cetera, with inherited titles like king, queen, prince, duchess, lord, et cetera, are not republics. So if the galaxy in SW is a republic, how is Princess Leia a princess, and how is Lord Vader a lord? Lucas tried to explain it by having Queen Amidala elected, but that doesn’t make sense at all. Instead, let’s consider that perhaps Alderaan, where Leia is from, was not a part of the Republic but an independent kingdom later added to the Empire after the Republic’s fall. Also, since “emperor” is an inherited position, perhaps the Emperor has re-introduced titles of inheritance like “lord” to the galaxy.

• The imperial forces are all humans
  In episodes 4, 5, & 6, one can’t help but notice that all of the people serving in the imperial fleet are human (and British). As Vader walks the decks of his super star destroyer or the halls of the Death Star, everyone around him is a human. The rebels, on the other hand, are a coalition of many races commanded by a non-human, Admiral Ackbar. This implies that the old Republic was multi-racial but that the Emperor purged non-humans from the military and possibly from government and the civil service as well. So not only is the new political order militaristic, it is also racist. An imperial guard calls Chewbacca a “thing”, remember? That makes the Empire a racist (speciesist?) fascist state.

• The Rebel Alliance believes in the Force, while the Empire does not
  In the OT, the Empire is atheistic and materialistic, while the rebels, despite being a multi-species coalition, seem united religiously, spiritually, and morally by a belief in the Force. This implies that the old Republic was racially diverse but nevertheless unified culturally under a single religion/spiritual belief and that the Empire not only supplanted the old political order but introduced a new dominant culture as well.

• Tatooine and Alderaan are both frontier worlds
  “If there’s a bright center in the universe, you’re on the planet that it’s farthest from”. At the beginning of ANH, Princess Leia’s ship is “on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan” Presumably, they left from the capital near the center of the galaxy, which implies Tatooine is on the way to Alderaan. Since it is a wretched hive of scum and villainy run by gangsters and mostly outside of imperial control, Tatooine must be a frontier world, which means Alderaan is also a frontier world.

• Vader fundamentally misunderstands what it means to be a Jedi
  In ROTJ, after Luke turns himself in on Endor, Vader admires his lightsaber and says, “I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are complete”. This implies that constructing a lightsaber requires use of the Force, that they cannot be mass-produced, and that such control of the Force is only achieved toward the end of a Jedi’s training. More importantly, it also reveals how little Vader understands about becoming a Jedi (After all, he left before completing the process. He says to Obi-Wan in ANH, “…I was but the learner, now I am the master”). Earlier in ROTJ, while on Dagoba, Yoda tells Luke that he has learned all that he needs to know, and Luke responds, “So I am a Jedi” Yoda quickly corrects him and says no, first you must face Vader. So basically, Luke has completed the classroom portion of his Jedi studies, but becoming a Jedi requires an inward, personal journey that is emotional and spiritual. Vader seems not to understand that and may be under the impression that the classroom studies are all that is needed.

• Galactic civilization is incredibly old
  At the end of ANH, when Princess Leia presides over a ceremony honoring Luke, Han, and Chewbacca, the ceremony takes place in a stone structure that appears to be incredibly old. Indeed, Lucas shot the exterior scenes of the rebel base at Mayan ruins in Guatemala, giving the impression that the complex is so old it must pre-date interstellar travel and even twentieth-century level technology. This implies the presence of numerous complex societies throughout the galaxy many millennia before space flight.

SPIRIT & FEEL OF THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY
In addition to the rules spelled out above, I think the prequels should adhere to the following set of principles so that they have the same spirit and feel as the OT:

• Episodes 1, 2, & 3 should take place on the frontier
  The OT took place far away from the capital and the galactic senate, on desolate frontier worlds like Tatooine. Episodes 1, 2, & 3 should do the same.

• At its heart, Star Wars is about the Skywalker family
  Episodes 4, 5, & 6 followed Luke’s personal emotional & spiritual journey and the reunification of the Skywalker family. The trilogy didn’t try to tell the whole story of the rebellion, but Lucas’s episodes 1, 2, & 3 tried to tell the whole story of the Republic’s fall, which got messy. The core of the PT story should be the emotional & spiritual journey of Anakin and the disintegration of the Skywalker family (which would mirror the disintegration of the Republic).

• Episodes 1, 2, & 3 should be told through the POV of the least significant characters
  Lucas’s inspiration for R2-D2 and C-3PO came from Akira Kurosawa’s The Hidden Fortress, which tells the story of a princess, a general, and a great battle through the eyes of two insignificant, cowardly peasants. In the opening scene of ANH, after we see the spaceships, the film cuts to an interior of one ship, and who do we see? R2-D2 and C-3PO. They are literally the first characters we meet. Not Luke, not Leia. Similarly, the first characters we meet in episode 1 should be the least significant, and we should follow them throughout the rest of the trilogy. I think the logical choice for those characters are Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru.

• Star Wars is Not a Kid’s Movie
  As a kid in the 80s, I loved SW. I also loved Ghostbusters. If we go back and watch these movies as adults, we can see why kids liked them, but we can also see clearly that they were not specifically intended for children. They hardly qualify for Netflix’s “children and family” category.

• There has to be a positive story
  The PT is inherently a sad story because it’s about the fall of a Great Man, but that is not what adventure melodramas like SW are usually like. Audiences want to cheer for a hero. They need someone to root for. So amidst the tragic fall of Anakin, there needs to be at least one uplifting story. Steven Spielberg knows this. While his war movies like Saving Private Ryan, War Horse, and Schindler’s List are set during the most horrific events of the twentieth century, he manages to tell positive stories that affirm humanity. Defeating the enemy does not affirm humanity; it reinforces nationalism, militarism, et cetera. But saving people’s lives amidst the tragedy of war and genocide does affirm humanity. So what is the uplifting story to be found within the Clone Wars, the fall of the Republic, the fall of Anakin, the death of the Jedi, and the failure of Obi-Wan? What will give us hope that good will triumph over tyranny? Perhaps women like Luke’s mother and Aunt Beru can provide the answer.

• The end of episode 2 should be Anakin’s darkest hour
  The mid-point of a story is often the main character’s darkest hour. At the end of episode 5, Luke is at the darkest hour of his emotional & spiritual journey because he has discovered his father is Darth Vader, has been defeated by him, and his best friend has been kidnapped. He has failed as a Jedi; however, it is not the rebellion’s darkest hour. The end of episode 2 should be Anakin’s darkest hour, spiritually and emotionally. This is when he should step onto the path of the dark side, and the disintegration of his family should begin.

• Anakin should never be a child on screen
  When we meet Anakin in episode 1, he should be the same age as Luke when we met him in episode 4, and like Luke should be a self-taught pilot. Since the core of the prequels should be Anakin’s personal journey, he must be at least an adolescent because children do not grapple with complex emotional and spiritual issues.

• The Sith are a good idea and should be kept
  Despite the fact that the Sith, as an evil equal-but-opposite version of the Jedi Order, is not mentioned explicitly until TPM, it is still a good idea and should be kept. All the details Lucas has outlined and have appeared in interviews, et cetera, can be ignored.

• The lightsaber duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin is a good idea
  In George Lucas’s original notes for SW, he said that Vader had lost his arms and legs during a lightsaber duel with Obi-Wan. A duel is a great idea, but to make it dramatic, the reasons for the duel must be emotionally compelling. Since it is clear that Vader knew Obi-Wan had taken his son and placed him in hiding, perhaps that could be the reason.

• Episodes 1, 2, & 3 should follow the 3-act formula established by the original trilogy
  In the original films, each act takes place in a new location (roughly). This formula worked well and should be repeated in the prequels, a constraint that can keep them focused and prevent the wandering we saw in Lucas’s prequels.

A New Hope: Act 1, Tatooine
                        Act 2, bowels of the Death Star
                        Act 3, dog fight in space

The Empire Strikes Back: Act 1, ice planet Hoth
                                             Act 2, asteroid field/Dagobah
                                             Act 3, Cloud City

Return of the Jedi: Act 1, Tatooine
                                 Act 2, forest moon of Endor
                                 Act 3, Endor/the Emperor’s chambers/battle in space

• Keep the plot simple
  The incident that triggers the events of ANH is simple but has far-reaching consequences – rebels have captured plans for the Death Star, and Darth Vader is trying to get the plans back.  Action movies, especially action movies for children, should have simple plots, but that doesn’t mean those plots cannot have complex emotional consequences for the characters. With that said, can anyone honestly explain what triggers the events of TPM?  Something about Jedi Knights negotiating a trade dispute on the behalf of Naboo because the Trade Federation blockaded the planet in order to force Naboo to do something… but it was really a pretext to invade Naboo because they… I’m not sure. And did all this complexity produce an emotionally compelling story? No.

• The plot should not include any conspiracy theories
  The plot of Lucas’s prequels is basically an elaborate conspiracy theory concocted by Palpatine to amass personal power. It has so many moving parts Rube Goldberg couldn’t have put it together, and as stated above, the plot should be kept simple. Besides, Palpatine’s plot takes place right under the nose of the Jedi, and it makes the Jedi look kind of stupid. Now, I’m something of a collector of conspiracy theories, as I talked about in my letter to Orson Scott Card, but I don’t want them in SW. It’s not how the world works, in this galaxy or any other. If the fall of the Republic was modeled after the rise of the Nazis in Germany, as I always assumed it was (stormtroopers, those uniforms, et cetera), then we can use examples from history to write a plot where crisis and chaos provide opportunities for tyrants.

• No lightsaber duels for Yoda
  This rule will annoy some fan geeks, but it’s important. The original SW films followed mythic storytelling patterns outlined by Joseph Campbell, and so each character is an archetype. These archetypes have built-in rules that limit what a writer can do with such a character. If the writer breaks those rules, then they aren’t writing an archetypal character. In general, there is nothing wrong with that, but that’s not SW. Yoda, like Obi-Wan, is a mentor to Luke, a “wise old man”. His age means the wise old man comes from a different time (and at 800 years old, Yoda exaggerates this as only science fiction can), but it is no accident that Yoda is also non-human. The wise old man is often a foreigner from another land, and making Yoda non-human exaggerates this yet again as only science fiction can. Finally, as a spiritual mentor, Yoda is a visual metaphor for the Force itself. He may be physically frail and diminutive in size, but that doesn’t matter. His strength lies in his spiritualness. He is brains over brawn, spiritual strength over physical strength. Consider how he trained Luke to be a thinking, feeling, and reflecting Jedi, not a soldier. Lucas’s prequels threw all that out of the window and turned Yoda into a back-flipping, twirling ninja.

• No complex fight choreography
  While the lightsaber duels in the OT were slower and less complex, they were much more emotionally powerful. General Grievous looked cool, wielding four lightsabers, but his fights were meaningless because there was no underlying emotion.

• No prophesies, no chosen ones, no messiahs
  The idea of a chosen one or a prophesied messiah is a Judeo-Christian concept, but the mythology of SW is very non-Christian. Nevertheless, Lucas’s prequels mixed the very different spirituality of SW with Christianity, and the result was a confusing mess. Anakin was called the “chosen one” who would fulfill a prophesy and bring “balance to the Force”, but there was never any mention of prophecies or an imbalance in the Force in the OT, and it raised more questions than it answered. First, who did the prophesying? Second and more importantly, a messiah is only needed when an intractable problem cannot be solved by normal people (like in The Matrix). The audience must understand what this problem is and why mere mortals cannot solve it. Did anyone really understand the imbalance in the Force? It was never explained, and we were never shown the negative consequences of this imbalance, so we never knew what was at stake. The problem to be solved in episodes 1, 2, & 3 should be political, not an existential crisis with the Force. The PT should reveal how the political turmoil and social anarchy created by war and fear provides opportunity for tyrants.

• At least one character should be a grounded realist
  When I was a kid, I wanted to be Han Solo, not Luke Skywalker. Han was wise-cracking, handsome, grounded, and a realist – and that made him cool. Everyone else was virtuous and idealistic and had faith in something I didn’t believe in, and that last part is the kicker. No one sitting in the theater actually believes in the Force, and so the movies need a character who can be the skeptical voice of the audience, who can act as a reality check to all the high-mindedness. Lucas’s prequels lacked a realist.

• No subjective POV
  In the OT, there is never a moment where we see inside someone’s mind. As Luke and Yoda are training on Dagoba, both are having visions of the future, but we are not shown what they see. We are not even allowed to hear snippets of what is being heard in their mind. When characters are having reflective moments, we do not hear their memories. This is probably because of the presence of Obi-Wan’s disembodied spirit. If Obi-Wan’s spirit voice, which is “real", and Luke’s memories or thoughts were both included in the soundtrack, the audience would have no way to tell what is/is not diegetic sound.

• Ships & Technology should be the same as in the original trilogy
  Judging from Luke’s age, the events of ANH are just 17-20 years from the end of Episode 3, and so technology cannot have changed much. Presumably, after the rise of the Empire, the rebels would not have the facilities to build new ships — they must be using old ships that pre-date the Empire. Therefore, all the ships/fighters, et cetera, should be the same as seen in the prequels.

• Star Wars is not a techno-utopia
  In the Star Trek universe, technology has eliminated want and hunger, cured disease, and created a utopia for common people. It is a positive vision of technological progress, and the technology is constantly changing throughout the many series so that human beings have greater control of the universe and even time itself. In SW, however, technology is not that sophisticated — turbo lasers cannot hit relatively slow ships, all fights seem to take place at visual range, and there is no sophisticated AI computer-controlled anything. Hunger and want are still clearly rampant, as is general economic inequality and apparent mismanagement.

• Back-and-forth POV
  In the OT, the film’s POV moves back and forth consistently and regularly between the good guys and the bad guy — Darth Vader. The Emperor was kept at a distance, seen only through Vader’s POV, which made him a scarier, shadowy presence. The PT should do the same, moving back and forth between a small number of good guys and a single bad guy, and similarly, keep the man-who-will-be-emperor in the shadows to make him more sinister.

• Less is More
  In Jaws, Steven Spielberg doesn’t show us the shark until we are three-fourths of the way into the movie. Movie buffs may argue that this was not Spielberg’s choice but due to problems with the mechanical shark, but regardless it is an incredibly effective decision because what we don’t see is what is truly frightening. What the audience imagines will always be scarier than anything any director can put on screen. Had we seen the shark early in the movie, Jaws would have been less scary, not more.  This lesson, one Spielberg acknowledges learning from the classic horror movie Cat People, seems to have been lost on contemporary directors caught like deer in the headlights of CG animation. In ANH and ESB, the hangers of rebel fighters are mostly dark. Only a few ships in the foreground are visible, and the shadowed background allows the audience to imagine vast spaces filled with all sorts of incredible things more captivating than any CG-rendered scene. The PT should not forget this lesson.

• Deus ex machina moments
  In the OT, there are occasional moments where a character clearly cannot get out of a problem by themselves and unexpectedly is saved by someone else. Deus ex machina moments like these are generally something to avoid in storytelling, but there is one way to do it and get away with it: have the unexpected appearance of someone, like Han Solo’s arrival in the dogfight at the end of ANH, or Leia sensing Luke is in trouble at the end of ESB, be the result of personal change & growth. If the PT has any Deus ex machina moments, it should be like this.

AVOID COMMON PITFALLS IN PREQUELS & SCI-FI
While we are at it, let’s lay out some additional rules so we do not repeat the mistakes of the past.

• Avoid the temptation to tell origin stories
  Prequels should, of course, explain the origins of characters at the core of the story and set up some events of the sequels, but the temptation to include loads and loads of origin stories is just too tempting for some writers. Lucas’s prequels are overloaded with backstories for insignificant characters like Greedo, Boba Fett, and even C-3PO, which are irrelevant because there is no storytelling need to explain, for example, that Boba Fett had a traumatic childhood. Boba Fett’s role in the story is solely to complicate the plot for the main characters.

• Don’t be self-referential
  Similarly, including callbacks to things fans loved from the original movies is also very tempting. For example, in Lucas’s prequels, lots of characters say “I have a bad feeling about this”, a classic line from the first movies, but it gets hokey real fast and shatters the audience’s suspension of disbelief. It reminds us we are watching a movie. So too, did the inclusion of ETs in the Senate, the pod from 2001: A Space Odyssey, and having Chewbacca be friends with Yoda. Callbacks rarely do the important work of moving the plot forward or furthering character development, and so they should be avoided.

• Avoid green screens
  In contemporary science fiction films, there is a temptation to place actors in front of green screens and then paint in extraordinary backdrops rather than film in real locations or on sets. Digital effects “free” the director to be more imaginative, right? Well, as Lucas’s prequels demonstrate, CGI backdrops kill the tension of a scene. The actors cannot and do not interact with their environment, and so there is little for them to do except walk and talk, sit and talk or stand and talk. Imagine how dull the scenes on Dagobah would have been if Luke and Yoda had been in front of a green screen instead of immersed within a real set.

SOME PROBLEMS ARE IRREPARABLE
When we meet Luke in episode 4, he is a young man, possibly just a teenager of seventeen. If Leia is his twin sister, then she would be the same age, which makes her position as Senator seem unrealistic (unless, perhaps, her father held the position, and when he died, she inherited it from him). If Leia was older than Luke, thus making her place in the Senate more logical, we are faced with the conundrum of figuring out how Vader could be kept in the dark about her yet know about Luke. Sometimes in the SW universe, we just have to accept these little problems and trust that the audience will stay with us.

© Mike Ruso, 2020
all rights reserved

Tantive3+1 said:

The concept of the Sith is a good idea but all the details that Lucas outlined about them should be ignored.

In ANH when Tarkin says “The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion”. This implies that Vader is meant to be a “Dark Jedi” or a Jedi who uses the dark side of the force, so the word Sith shouldn’t be used in the PT.

Things like the Rule of Two were just made up as an explanation for why Vader and Palpatine were the only ones in the OT.

When Obi-Wan says to Vader “Only a master of evil Darth” this implies that this is the first part of his name and not a title that was given to him, so all other Sith/Dark Jedi shouldn’t have Darth in their names. Palpatine should just be known as Palpatine, Count Dooku should just be known as Count Dooku, and when the name Darth Vader comes up it shouldn’t be revealed that it’s referring to Anakin.

Another thing I want to bring up is that Palpatine should be the only one in the PT who uses Force Lightening.

Was there ever any discussion before about possibly adding C-3PO’s line “There’s nowhere to go” from the mono mix?

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/ars-details/

It says here on the Revisted WordPress page that there’s going to be a new Obi-Wan/Ben’s Hut matte that isn’t going to be the Theatrical or the SE ones that were used.

Is this still being considered?

Bridger12 said:

Adywan, please reconsider your decision to remove the extended Death Star battle sequence. It was one of the best parts! Almost everyone in the comment section of your April 3rd Facebook post agrees. We all think it should be kept in.

Crossvader said:

Bridgr12 I’m sure adywan tried it out and found it does not work in the HD version or maybe he just was not happy with it to start with so I think let’s just let adywan do he’s thing and make the version he feels most happy with, after all this is he’s edit.

Adywan is a perfectionist and I’m more than excited to see the version he is most satisfied with. colour corrected updated effects lightsabers lasers and corrected mistakes are more than enough to make this edit amazing.
he’s empire strikes back is great and I’m sure this will be just as great.

darkzip is doing an upscale of ANH:R SD so why not create your own version that has the extended DS attack when the HD verrsion is released?

Between the widescreen Laserdisc releases of the Theatrical versions & the 1997 Special Editions, 2004 DVD, 2011 Blu-ray, and the 2019/2020 4K versions, what are the differences with the picture framing from each release of the OT? I know they’re not all the same.

If someone could show a visual comparison like the image shown below, this would be very helpful. This is from the film The Evil Dead (1981) that shows the different picture framings from some of the 1.33:1 transfers

Original: 2010 US Anchor Bay Blu-ray
Red: 1985 Japanese Herald Videogram Laserdisc
Green: 1999 US Elite Entertainment DVD