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#1433080
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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There’s a direct quote in ROTJ on Dagobah when Obi-Wan is telling Luke about his sister

To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born. The Emperor knew as I did that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him

This would mean that Vader/Anakin didn’t know that he had a son in ANH or that his wife was pregnant when he turned to the dark side. This would make sense since the closest he came to know who Luke was in ANH is in the DS trench run when he says “The force is strong with this one”.

The best way to fix this in the PT is to overdub the dialogue between Anakin and Padme when she reveals she’s pregnant to him and have the visions of her dying in childbirth removed and make his turn to the dark side a seduction of power. Then on Polis Massa, when the GH-7 medical analysis unit is speaking to Obi-Wan is when it reveals she’s carrying twins, with both of them being nameless and genderless when they’re born.

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#1432897
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Are the JSC LD's the <strong>TRUE</strong> Releases of the Theatrical Version(s)?
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So if I’m understanding it correctly, this is how the 1986 JSC of SW:ANH differs from the May 1977 35MM Theatrical version with the exception of the 1981 title crawl

  • When the MF is being chased after leaving Tatooine, the SFX shot of the Star Destroyer shooting at the MF was changed. The early version had different explosions with different flashes and looks less finished.

  • When the MF arrives on Yavin IV, the composite shot with the matte painting of the temple is recomposited and is not in sync. There’s also an artifact in the image.

  • In the shot of the X wings and Y wings taking off from outside the temple, there’s an extra cloud and the shot is not in sync. There’s also an artifact in the image.

  • The ending credits were completely redone with the spacing both vertically and horizontally altered with a glitch in the composition at the beginning being removed.

  • The 1985 audio mix.

So the pre-1985 home media releases and the GOUT DVD contain the 35MM Stereo mix.

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#1421468
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SW:ST without containing direct PT references (a WIP)
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Since my main focus is on the OT’s continuity and how the ST could’ve been different, I don’t want to create any changes that’d ruin it for PT fans. This makes a problem when trying to change one of the lines in TFA.

I don’t know where else to ask for good ideas because, while I do have some of my own, it mainly relates to what could’ve been before the PT.

What would be a good line for Kylo Ren to say to General Hux that refers to what could’ve been before the Stormtroopers and doesn’t ruin it for PT viewers?

"They’re skilled at committing high treason, perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using a clone army

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#1421410
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Direct references to the PT that were made in Disney’s ST
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RogueLeader said:

For a more straightforward callback, there is a battle droid in Babu Frik’s droid shop in TROS.

That scene where you can see the battle droid in the background was only shown in the final trailer. It isn’t shown in the film.

Rodney-2187 said:

Tantive3+1 said:

That scene where you can see the battle droid in the background was only shown in the final trailer. It isn’t shown in the film.

The battle droid is still there.

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Are there any other PT references like that?

The only other one I know of is in the early trailers for TFA; in Maz’s castle, flags are hanging around, and one of them had the symbol from Anakin’s podracer flag from TPM. It was then removed before the film’s release.
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#1421030
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Direct references to the PT that were made in Disney’s ST
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Were any SFX heard that was taken from the PT? for example ship engines, blaster shots, droid sounds, etc.

Knight of Kalee said:

  • The pirate Sidon Ithano at Maz’s castle (the one who Finn approaches to run away) wears a Kaleesh mask. General Grievous (a former Kaleesh) wore one such mask as a faceplate.

  • The ships among the citizen fleet in TROS include Naboo N-1 Starfighters (those are the ones TestingOutTheTest refers to. The Nubians are the royal cruisers).

  • The helmets of the Sith Troopers greatly resemble the Phase II clone trooper helmets.

Are there any other objects or ships like the ones already mentioned that appear throughout the ST?

ThatPixarGuy said:

“The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.” Was said in TROS.

What other lines from the PT were quoted in the ST?

RogueLeader said:

For a more straightforward callback, there is a battle droid in Babu Frik’s droid shop in TROS.

That scene where you can see the battle droid in the background was only shown in the final trailer. It isn’t shown in the film.

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#1420823
Topic
SW:ST without containing direct PT references (a WIP)
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SUMMARY
When I first watched TFA, it seemed that Disney/Lucasfilm was trying to omit the PT as if it never happened, like showing that the force wasn’t midichlorians but something supernatural. Then in TLJ, Luke says to Rey, “At the height of their powers, they allowed Darth Sidious to rise, create the Empire, and wipe them out.” By the TROS, it was all over the place to where it was clear that Disney/Lucasfilm had fully integrated them into their canon of the Skywalker Saga.

INTENTION
I didn’t mind when this happened, even though there were certain things about TROS that I didn’t like. For someone like me who doesn’t really like the PT and prefers to come up with their own continuity based on what was heard and depicted in the OT, the purpose of these fan edit is to remove all direct PT references that restricts the canon of it to the ST without changing anything else about the films.

OVERALL
All scenes within the ST making direct PT references will be removed. These changes will only be minimal. Throughout the ST using sound-alikes, only 4 dialogue sequences from Luke, Lor San Tekka, and Kylo Ren will be changed, and 7 voice redubs for Obi-Wan and Anakin to have them speak as their OT counterparts, with Anakin speaking as Sebastian Shaw.

CHANGES
THE FORCE AWAKENS

  • In the opening scenes, when Lor San Tekka is speaking to Poe, saying “Without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the force” is going to be changed

  • When Kylo Ren is speaking to General Hux after Finn’s action by escaping with Poe, telling him "They’re skilled at committing high treason, perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using a clone army will only be partially changed

  • At the end of Rey’s force vision, Obi-Wan’s line “These are your first steps” will be redubbed to be Alec Guinness

THE LAST JEDI

  • On Arch-To, when Rey is trying to convince Luke to come back with her, his response saying “You think, what? I’m going to walk out with a laser sword and face down the whole First Order?” is going to be changed to "You think, what? I’m going to walk out with a lightsaber and face down the whole First Order?

  • When Luke gives Rey her second lesson by telling her about the Jedi, saying, “At the height of their powers, they allowed Darth Sidious to rise, create the Empire, and wipe them out” is going to be changed to “At the height of their powers, they allowed Palpatine to rise, create the Empire, and wipe them out"

THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
During the scene when Rey hears the voices of deceased Jedi speaking to her, Obi-Wan and Anakin’s dialogue will be redubbed

  • Obi-Wan Kenobi: “These are your final steps, Rey. Rise and take them”

  • Anakin Skywalker: “Rey”

  • Anakin Skywalker: “Bring back the balance, Rey, as I did”

  • Anakin Skywalker: “The Force surrounds you, Rey”

  • Anakin Skywalker: “Let it lift you”

  • Obi-Wan Kenobi: “Rise”

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#1420079
Topic
Direct references to the PT that were made in Disney’s ST
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Without counting the scenes where the term “Sith” is used, this is a list of all the direct references to the PT that are either mentioned or depicted in Disney’s ST.

THE FORCE AWAKENS

  1. In the opening scene when Lor San Tekka is speaking to Poe he says Without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the force

  2. When Kylo Ren is speaking to General Hux after Finn’s traitorous action by escaping with Poe, he tells him “They’re obviously skilled at committing high treason, perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using a clone army

  3. During the end of Rey’s force vision, Alec Guinness as Obi-wan (edited from archived footage) says "“Rey”. Then the next line “These are your first steps” is spoken by Ewan Mcgregor

THE LAST JEDI

  1. On Ahch-To when Rey is trying to convince Luke to come back with her, he says “You think, what? I’m going to walk out with a laser sword and face down the whole First Order?”

  2. When Luke gives Rey her second lesson by telling her about the Jedi, he says “At the height of their powers, they allowed Darth Sidious to rise, create the Empire, and wipe them out”

THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

  1. During Rey’s fight against Palpatine where she’s nearly defeated after having her lifeforce drained, she begins to hear voices speaking to her from previously deceased Jedi including characters from the PT
  • Ewan Mcgregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi: “These are your final steps, Rey. Rise and take them”
    Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker: “Rey”
    Ahsoka Tano: “Rey”
    Kanan Jarrus: “Rey”
    Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker: “Bring back the balance, Rey, as I did”
    Luminara Unduli: “In the night, find the light, Rey”
    Mace Windu: “You’re not alone, Rey”
    Yoda: “Alone never have you been”
    Qui-Gon Jinn: “Every Jedi who ever lived lives in you”
    Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker: “The Force surrounds you, Rey”
    Aayla Secura: “Let it guide you”
    Ahsoka Tano: “As it guided us”
    Mace Windu: “Feel the Force flowing through you, Rey”
    Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker: “Let it lift you”
    Adi Galia: “Rise, Rey.”
    Qui-Gon Jinn: “We stand behind you, Rey”
    Alec Guinness as Obi-Wan Kenobi: “Rey”
    Yoda: “Rise in the Force, Rey”
    Kanan Jarrus": “In the heart of a Jedi lies their strength”
    Ewan Mcgregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi: “Rise”
    Qui-Gon Jinn: “Rise”
    Luke Skywalker: “Rey, the Force will be with you. Always”
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#1396270
Topic
Future of the Star Wars series - the “climactic story event”...
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With the crossovers that’ll be happening on the upcoming Ahsoka, Rangers of the New Republic, and future Mandalorian episodes culminating in a “climactic story event”; there’s no doubt that the upcoming SW films will incorporate these crossovers from the shows into the films like the way the MCU will be doing now

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#1395918
Topic
STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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exitzero said:

jarbear said:

If there was more dialogue to pull from Vader to make it work, I’d like that change. But it still sticks out unfortunately.

Even with the new series and they were able to get Earl Jones again, it be hard to imagine him saying “mother” … but there can be more syllables to pull from to make it. Who knows.

It doesn’t have to be Vader saying “mother”, just James Earl Jones. He’s said Mother !ucker in a movie or two, plus he read the bible for an audiobook. There are also a few great impersonators on YouTube. If Adywan decides to do it , he’ll have a few different options to try and make it work.

Adywan has said he’s already in touch with a Vader sound alike if he decides to make this change.

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#1389935
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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Matt.F said:

/\ In truth that speaks more to Shaw being miscast in the first place than it does to a 78 year old Prowse being right.

But my point remains that I think Prowse had a better face for Vader under the mask than Shaw did, and for what it’s worth I also think he had ‘a better right’ to be Vader, to be seen just once on the big screen without that mask on - but that’s a sentimental viewpoint and perhaps it has no place in the movie business.

If there was some way to put Prowse in that position in Revisited it would be cool, and the documentary reshoot footage might potentially provide that, but I understand the difficulties might be insurmountable…

So in TESB when you see the back of Vader’s head when the helmet is being lowered, who was that portraying him? Was that Prowse?

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#1389719
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<strong>Return Of The Jedi</strong> - a general <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> thread
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ray_afraid said:

I really wish the action at Jabba’s would have taken place on a lush, tropical rainforest type planet. That would have added new visual flair to the film & it seems like a place where slug-like creatures would thrive.
Also, the Sarlaac being the gaping maw of a huge, beautiful flower would be better than a hole in the sand.

100% this. The only thing a planet like that would need is a good name.