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#1510685
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Episode VI: Return of the Jedi — The 'Ziggy' Edit (Released)
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This edit was really good. This is only a suggestion but instead of putting the deleted scene of Luke building his lightsaber to after he leaves Dagobah, place it at the beginning as originally intended but have the cave be on Dagobah, then have the next scene be of Yoda’s hut. I understand this would involve changing the background in the cave.

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#1510075
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Question about A New Hope: Special Edition 1997
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The color timing for ANH:SE 1997 is sourced from a Technicolor print, so, unlike the DVD/Blu-ray’s, the colors you see for the Theatrical footage are basically how they’re supposed to look. Between the US and Japan Laserdisc releases, the transfer for the Japan Laserdisc looks more similar to the Technicolor print.

Looking at these releases here, it’s most likely that the transfer for the LDs released in 1997 are both identical, but for the 2000 re-release here, is the transfer also identical or somewhat different?

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#1491504
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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Telion said:

an-old-hope said:

Isnt he already doing that though?
Remove droid torture in Jabba’s Palace
Remove “Jedi Rocks” and the additions of the Special Edition in that scene
Remove the slapstick Ewok moments during the battle
Add more rebel troop action to Endor ground battle
Larger ground and space battle
Remove Chewie’s Tarzan yell
New Boba Fett death
Remove many of C-3P0’s “Ric Olie/ captain obvious” lines
etc etc

This is true but I beleive this is becuase, unlike the first two which had simple plots and themes that kids could follow, ROTJ had more “kid moments”. Which could be fine however, there is A LOT of them. So many they tend to happen before and after major emotional/plot heavy moments. This juxtapose tends to pull everyone out of the story including kids (which I can atest to, having been one not to long ago, I grew up with the prequals).

They seemed intent that kids would find the plot boring or that perants/censors would not like their kids seeing “dark” moments, so put a something jokie in there to soften the blow. But ROTJ was the movie remembered least of growing up (except perhaps AotC) with RotS and ANH coming in first. RotJ just never stuck and I tended to zone out.

To be clear I’m not arguing the movie should be “dark” or more serious but just that I think Adywan is seeking to remove most out of place humorous moments that don’t fit the tone of the scene they are in/before/after.

TLDR: Even though SW movies was designed so that kid could watch them (“for kids”) RotJ might have gone to far by following the trend of ‘Kids are too stupid to follow plot so, “fun moments” are needed everywhere!’

Also George Famously discovered the delights of toy sales…

What really happened was after Raiders of the Lost Ark, Lucas got disillusioned with the film industry believing that audiences only cared about thrills and entertainment and not about the story.

This is just one of the many things that led ROTJ to become what it is now.

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#1489525
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An Alternative Star Wars Prequel Trilogy: Some Ground Rules
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Tantive3+1 said:

Superweapon VII said:
I’m sure others with a better understanding of political machinations than me can pick this logic apart. Regardless, this is space fantasy; its politics don’t have to align with the real world.

Seems like it’s always being described as a space fantasy. It’s meant to be a space opera.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera

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#1488626
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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adywan said:

OK, Here is the sneak peek at the new ANH:R HD edit of the Obi-Wan/ Vader duel.
The editing in the HD version differs slightly from the SD version . In the final version there will be two audio tracks: The main 5.1 track will be the music less versions, while track 2 will have the added music as seen in the original SD version of ANH:R

https://youtu.be/HHmlOcakOPs

adywan said:

Actually the audio used is the 1997 SE theatrical 5.1 DTS throughout with only the dialogue for Vader using the 2011 DTS track because of the differences. Sound effects for the clashes have been added due to the editing. The mix for the 2011/2020 blu-rays is horrendous when compared to the 1997 5.1 DT theatrical. I’ve been noticing so many things missing from the blu-ray mixes; missing foley, sound effects coming from the wrong channels amongst other things. It also a very flat mix in places. So the final release audio track will be a combination of the 97 theatrical DTS & the 2001 blu-ray mix. The lines were swapped around in the original ANH:R, so i kept it that way. The old regrade i did was only ever going to used as a basis for this edit. This will have an updated grade

A definite improvement over the SD version. I like seeing that Obi-Wan doesn’t ignite his lightsaber first.

marioxb said:

Looks great! I just can’t help but think that, knowing what we now know, I don’t think Obi Wan would call him “Darth”, would he? I think Anakin or Vader would be better. Maybe both?

Keeping it as close to the original is the best way to go. If drastic changes like that are made, then it should only be done to enhance the scene.

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#1487877
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An Alternative Star Wars Prequel Trilogy: Some Ground Rules
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Superweapon VII said:

  • No lightsaber duels for Yoda
    This rule will annoy some fan geeks, but it’s important. The original SW films followed mythic storytelling patterns outlined by Joseph Campbell and so each character is an archetype. These archetypes have built-in rules that limit what a writer can do with such a character. If the writer breaks those rules then they aren’t writing an archetypal character. In general, there is nothing wrong with that, but that’s not SW. Yoda, like Obi-Wan, is a mentor to Luke, a “wise old man”. His age means the wise old man comes from a different time (and at 800 years old, Yoda exaggerates this as only science fiction can), but it is no accident that Yoda is also non-human. The wise old man is often a foreigner from another land, and making Yoda non-human exaggerates this yet again as only science fiction can. Finally, as a spiritual mentor, Yoda is a visual metaphor for the Force itself. He may be physically frail and diminutive in size, but that doesn’t matter. His strength lies in his spiritualness. He is brains over brawn, spiritual strength over physical strength. Consider how he trained Luke to be a thinking, feeling, and reflecting Jedi, not a soldier. Lucas’s prequels threw all that out of the window and turned Yoda into a back-flipping, twirling ninja.

I wouldn’t include Yoda as a present character to begin with.

That’s interesting, but it does leave the question of how he escaped the purge.

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#1487428
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Buried the Lead
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This is another post that was made by a blogger named Mike Ruso. Like this one here, it outlines some of the things that the ST should’ve been, mostly with TFA.

Again, I am not the original author of this. I’m only posting this here so that people can discuss and comment about it while also sharing ideas since the blog page doesn’t have a comments section.


https://www.mikeruso.com/blog/the-force-awakens-buried-the-lead/

FIRING WEAPONS THROUGH HYPERSPACE IS WAY SCARIER THAN BLOWING UP PLANETS
Every review I’ve seen of TFA, both positive and negative, has missed the biggest bombshell dropped on us by JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan: the First Order can fire a weapon through hyperspace. This information came from a single line of dialog, delivered by an insignificant, nameless character, but it should have been even more terrifying news than when the rebellion first learned of the DS. Everyone in the room should have stopped and shuddered at the implications. Through hyperspace!

Until now, weapons in the SW universe have always operated at visual range. The DS was powerful but needed to be in sight of its target. Because of that, the rebels always had time to prepare a counterattack or flee. However, a weapon that can fire through hyperspace, regardless of its destructive capacity, is the ultimate weapon of terror.

Cities, bases, and ships could be destroyed anytime, anywhere in the galaxy, with no warning. No one could ever feel safe, not even in the most remote edges of the galaxy. However, it seems the filmmakers were so blinded by their desire to retread the OT, that they missed the opportunity to tell a compelling original story about terrorism, imperial collapse, and the realities of regime change.

GALACTIC POLITICS POST-RETURN OF THE JEDI
Most reviewers have commented on the galaxy’s confusing politics in TFA. As expected, a New Republic has been formed under the leadership of the Rebellion, but the Empire seems just as strong as ever, now re-branded as the First Order. Not only is the First Order as well equipped and funded as the Empire, their new Star Destroyers are even bigger than before! And Starkiller Base is bigger than the DS! Even more confusingly, instead of an Army of the Republic, we have something called the Resistance. The opening crawl should have provided some details, but it did not. So what happened after the death of Emperor Palpatine?

It seems a whole bunch of scenes were shot with Princess Leia that would have explained this mess, but they were cut from the film. They are included in the DVD but present a confused, poorly thought out history of the galaxy after ROTJ.  Here is a summary:  Following the Battle of Endor, the rebellion clashes with remnants of the imperial fleet, culminating in a battle above Jakku where the rebellion is victorious. The leadership of the Rebellion then signs a treaty with imperial loyalists that brings peace but divides the galaxy. Some of the galaxy remains the territory of the First Order while the rest forms the New Republic – in other words, the Rebellion failed in its mission to liberate the entire galaxy from tyranny and was comfortable with a partial victory. Afterward, Leia tries to convince Republic politicians of the threat posed by the First Order, but her arguments to build a new Army of the Republic are inexplicably rejected. Thus, she leaves politics and forms the Resistance to fight the First Order. Meanwhile, the First Order builds in strength and secretly violates its treaty with the New Republic.

KEEP THE GOOD GUYS AS UNDERDOGS
Politics in TFA are a big mess, but I know why JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan did it: SW is about cheering for the underdog. They had to come up with a way, no matter how convoluted, to make the good guys an underdog even though the Rebellion clearly triumphed at the end of ROTJ.

I agree with the goal but not the means they took to achieve it. There was a better way, one so simple it could have been outlined in the opening crawl. A weapon that can fire through hyperspace is key, as is taking inspiration from history. Here’s how I would have done it:

1) A liberated galaxy Unlike in TFA, the Rebel Alliance successfully liberated the entire galaxy and no part remains the territory of an imperial holdout

2) A fractured galaxy After the Battle of Endor and the defeat of the Empire, it’s unlikely the entire galaxy would have willingly united under a single government, no matter how democratic, and especially without the Jedi. It was the galaxy’s unification that allowed the Empire to form in the first place. Instead, the galaxy more likely would have fractured into small regional states based on race, ethnicity, language, et cetera, just as the Soviet Union did. Or as Yugoslavia did. Or as Iraq is currently doing. The Rebel Alliance was united in their opposition to the Empire after all, not necessarily by a shared vision of a post-war order. Additionally, without the Jedi and their religion of the Force, nothing can unite the many races of the galaxy

3) Imperial loyalists go underground, become cult-like, and form terror cells  Like after the fall of Nazi Germany, there would logically be imperial loyalists who believe with religious-like fervor in the glory of the former Empire. Their ideology would be similar to but not exactly like that of the Empire. For example, Neo-nazis rarely display an aptitude for strategic political thinking or the discipline that characterized the original Nazi party during its ascendancy. In my imagining of SW, the neo-imperialists would likely be devout believers in the Force (its dark side, obviously) even though the old Empire was atheistic and materialistic. Why? Since the Emperor and Vader were believers, but no one else was, it’s easy to imagine that the neo-imperialists would come to believe that if the entire Empire had been believers, they would not have been defeated.

4) A campaign of terror  One of these neo-imperialists, a former imperial scientist, has developed a new technology that can fire a weapon through hyperspace. While small compared to the DS, it is mobile and can destroy cities and military bases with a single shot. This weapon can fire from any point in space and hit any other point in space, and the neo-imperialists use it to engage in a campaign of galaxy-wide terrorism.

5) Terrorism destabilizes a still struggling galaxy Still rebuilding from years of imperial rule and civil war, the galactic peace is fragile and susceptible to fear. The campaign of terror waged by the neo-imperialists fosters authoritarianism, militarism, and distrust among the many small states.

6) Only the Jedi can find the hyperspace weapon and unite the small states under a shared belief system The opening of TFA starts with a great hook: where is Luke Skywalker? Clearly, the galaxy needs the Jedi, but the reason provided by Max Von Sydow’s character is terrible: “Without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the Force”. Like all the talk of Force-balancing in the PT, this is nonsense. We are never presented with an explanation of what a balanced Force means, or looks like, or why “an energy field created by all living things [that] surrounds us and penetrates us [and] binds the galaxy together” needs balancing by human agency. Instead, it would have been much more compelling if Leia and company were searching for Luke because they had failed time and again to locate the hyperspace weapon, and every day galactic peace and stability grew weaker. Only Luke and his use of the Force could track down the weapon. (Remember how it’s Vader, with his preternatural abilities, who discern the location of the hidden rebel base in ESB? Same thing.)

Here’s how the opening crawl of my alternative Episode 7 would read:

  • Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the small but sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire. With a new weapon that can fire through hyperspace, it wages a campaign of terror across the galaxy. No city or planet is safe.
    The NEW REPUBLIC struggles to
    maintain a fragile peace with many small states that formed after the collapse of the Empire, but without the Jedi has been unable to find the hyperspace weapon or bring an end to the terrorism. Desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy, Senator Leia Organa has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku, where an old ally has discovered a clue to Luke’s whereabouts….

Keeps the politics simple yet exciting, right? The good guys remain underdogs. What’s at stake is straightforward and easy to understand – and it doesn’t bury the lead.

- September 2016

PS - Journalism majors, I know that in journalism jargon you spell it “lede” but nobody else does.

© Mike Ruso, 2020
all rights reserved

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#1486879
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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That guy with no name said:

Hey Adywan!
quick question are you going tp be fixing this?

Another error that isn’t shown in that pic is in the scene before the MF goes into hyperspace, Han is wearing his pilot’s gloves. Then in the next shot with Chewbacca suddenly wearing his bandolier belt, Han is no longer wearing them.

If adywan decides to fix these things then that would be great.

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#1486743
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Bridger12 said:

adywan said:
And there will be no HDR/ Dolby Vision colour grade. I see people ask this a lot, along with asking for a Dolby Atmos sound mix. I’m just a guy working on a home PC and not in a fully equipped professional studio. I just don;t have the facilities to be able to do things like this.

Will they have DTS-HD Master Audio sound mixes instead?

adywan said:

Now the audio side of things for the 1080p releases . I’m not sure if rendering a 6.1 or 7.1 track is even worth it TBH. The 6.1 audio track on the 2011 blu-rays for the OT are a bit of a con. The extra track contains silence for about 99% of the film. There are very quick sound effects in about 6 places throughout Empire . And the 2020 7.1 just duplicate this track to give the extra track. So anyone that complains if i just do 5.1 audio is really complaining for no reason. But the main reason why it may just be 5.1 is because i do not have any software that can encode DTS-MA let alone encode a 6.1 or 7.1 audio track. The DTS software suite is ridiculous price and now only seems to be available for Mac. If i were able to create a 6.1 DTS track then i would need to remake the extra channel(s) from scratch and i only have a 5.1 setup so i couldn’t really test out the extra channels anyway.

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#1485686
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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This is something that I would like to see in a TLJ fan edit

https://youtu.be/Jkr9iGBdyQo

This scene of having the Praetorian Guard holding lightsabers makes it look like they were trained in the Sith arts which makes it more interesting compared to what they were originally holding.

Something that I’ve always wondered about is if the Emperor’s Royal Guards from ROTJ were aware that he was a Sith while the Empire wasn’t.

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#1485682
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What Would've Gary Kurtz's Version of ROTJ looked like?
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If everything outlined in the first post is what Gary Kurtz’s intentions were for ROTJ, then the only thing I would change about it is Vader being Luke’s father not being a lie.

These are some of the things that I would like to see incorporated into adywans ROTJ:R in some way, like the film ending with the funeral pyre scene showing Luke being alone, but he’s stated that only the space and ground battles will be changed like this.

It’s a shame that Lucas got disillusioned with the film industry after Raiders of the Lost Ark, believing that the audience only cared about thrills and entertainment and not about the story. This is just one of the many things that led ROTJ to become what it is now.

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#1485647
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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The only thing that I’m left wondering about is if the Ronto that appears during the entering Mos Eisley scene is going to be left in or removed?
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/STAR-WARS-EP-IV-2004-REVISITED-ADYWAN-1080p-HD-VERSION-NOW-IN-PRODUCTION/id/5942/page/470#1481569

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#1485640
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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adywan said:

Tantive3+1 said:

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/ars-details/

It says here on the Revisted WordPress page that there’s going to be a new Obi-Wan/Ben’s Hut matte that isn’t going to be the Theatrical or the SE ones that were used.

Is this still being considered?

yes. I won’t be using the SE version of the Hutt. Originally i was going to create a new model but i’m waiting to see if a better version appears in the Kenobi show before i decide what route to take.

Cool. Sounds Great!

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#1485295
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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darkzip said:

alexp120 said:

darkzip said:
V2’s upscaling begins!

edit: Son of a Nerf Herder. Windows decided to update during my overnight run. Oh well, I’m going to see if reencoding the already upscaled version to the correct fps fixes the stutter before I try rerunning topaz

I would just start over from the PAL source–that is, if you’ve managed to get one. If there’s a delay in delivering the final product, so be it. We would just have to be patient and wait. We want the final product to be good.

So, thank you for doing it.

It’s an ongoing process at this point. I’m hoping to have a V2 I’m satisfied with by the end of this week (or potentially the following week)

Were you able to notice any of the issues that were mentioned here?https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1483542/action/topic#1483542?

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#1485250
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An Alternative Star Wars Prequel Trilogy: Some Ground Rules
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NeverarGreat said:

Blue lightsabers are a reasonable idea. Also, in keeping with the idea that the Jedi were protectors from a more idealized time, I imagine they would have been more like Samurai than soldiers. For example, many would be in service to the reigning monarchs of the frontier worlds like the King of Alderaan, and these were the only ones known as Knights as opposed to people like Yoda who were always unaffiliated teachers and mentors. These Jedi Knights would wear black like Luke in ROTJ.

If the Empire are like Nazis that rose to power, then the Jedi should be like Rabbis with the sword fighting skills of a samurai who walk around with katanas.

Not sure about them wearing black though.