Take the shot of Anakin on the operation table when he has the eyes wide open, add some technical things plugged into his head, then cut to the Emperor smilling (from a later shot), then the Mask go down and Vader rise. End of the transformation.
Instead of the dreaded "Not Want!" at the revelation that Padme is dead Vader should try to kill Palpatine as he no longer has any use for him, only to have Palpatine use the Force to fiddle with his suit and disable him.
Yes, the guilt that Vader feels at that moment should turn into anger against his "master" in the minute. What I think that could be done is that during the transformation of Anakin into Vader the Emperor could twist the mind of Vader so he don't feel regrets or remorse anymore and all he can do is to obey. That would make his return to good in the OT even more powerful because we know he struggles against the mind manipulation of the Emperor. Just an idea.
Wow, THAT worths at least two cents Erik! ;)
And I think it can technicaly be done, it's not too "over the top" like most ideas (including mine) in this thread.
Okay, I have an idea, don't know what it worth... probably 2 cents.
One of the things that did not work for many people in ROTS is the way too quick turning of Anakin to the dark side. Now, if we can make more obivious to the audience that Palpatine is the "creator" of Anakin, maybe through midichlorians manipulations (I know Ady said: 'no midichlorians!"), we could somehow show that the order 66 has an effect on him too...
I told you... probably 2 cents.
Thanks Ripplin. ;)
Shit, I need a reframing cause I (once again) inverted two filters on the text cards, it's no big deal.
Part1 DUSTY VERSION finished, I think. Just need a screener to be sure. I'm planning a release next week end if everything is okay.
Nice, subtle, that's all Yoda needs. Good job.
Happy new year everyone!
They looks good to me but a bit sharp indeed. I'd like to watch it in motion. If you feel it is what you edit needs, I say go for it anyway.
The Empire is known to be too self-confident, it's its weakness. So maybe more AT ATs will be fine, but no TIE fighters or too much added forces. Just my two cents.
His lungs weren't damaged enough to warrant this otherwise he would not have been able to scream while on the operating table.
Maybe replacing the scream by a long painful "breathing for air" sound (don't know how to say in english...), would be nice.
Episode 2 Dusty version: done.
Episode 3: in the works.
There is nothing badass about killing a bunch of kids. That is the work of a worthless coward, preying on those far weaker than himself, even sicker is preying on those who rely on your for their protection.
I don't think Anakin being a badass instead of a worthless coward is a better story.
Once again, it's the way you show it on screen that determine if it's a good movie or not.
If the script was well made enough to make the killing of the younglings credible, everyone would have said "ho shit Anakin is really becoming Vader now!" instead of "what's the fuck he was a good guy at the begining of the movie". You can make interesting movies out of mediocre plots and mediocre movies out of good plots, I feel like the PT belongs to the second category.
Another major failure of the PT that is often cited, is its loss of the black vs. white theme we had from the original.
I really don't want to sound too much like a Lucas apologist (well I guess it's too late I'm afraid!) but it's what the PT are all about: showing us that the galaxy was not black vs white twenty years before the OT. Lucas took pretty much all the things we knew and show them in a way that we are not prepare to watch. I don't say that the result is great (far from it), I just say that it was an interesting idea and it should be respected as an artist vision. That's why I usualy don't say "it's sucks" or that "Lucas raped my childhood" kind of thing, because 1: the OT was my childhood (so the only thing I'm really pissed off is the DVD of the true original OT) and 2: if we can't live with the PT we just have to not buy the DVDs (or just to make fanedit maybe! ;) )
You mean the story about a nine year old boys induction into a weird religious order that dictates that he cannot love any one or ever see his mother again
In fact I kind of like that vision of an old sectarian religion that push Anakin into the dark side even more that Palpatine himself.
so he returns home to find her kiddnapped and raped to death by Sandpeople, so he kills them, all of them, even the children, and the queen who is no longer a queen falls in love with him even more for it
One of the worst idea of the PT indeed. I agree completly. In my silent edit Anakin just comes to Tatooine and find his mother's tomb.
not long later the clone wars break out, the opening battle of which takes place in... a giant gladiator style arena...
Not a so bad idea IMO. Mostly poorly executed, but not a bad idea.
after a couple of second of feeling the power of the darkside, he decides it would be fun to kill some kids and does so
The Idea of having Anakin killing Jedi kids is good to me (well, I don't mean it's good to killing kids of course...! I just say that it's not common to kill kids in big mainstream blockbusters) but it is not well inserted into the story, it feels too rushed. That is a good exemple of what I mean when I'm saying: good story/bad script.
In the later case, why even say to someone "May the Force be with you"? Either it is or it isn't. Don't have midi-chlorians? Sorry buddy! My bad!
Well I don't like much that "superior race' concept ether. I just think there might be a way to give midichlorians an interesting plot in the revisited saga. Deleting all midichlorians references had already been done to death in the SW fanediting world. I don't say that midichlorians should be in the PT revisited, but I think it could, if done well.
It seems you all have problem with the story of the PT, which to me is good (could have been better though). It's just the way of telling it that kinda sucks (and the bad casting, VaderisnotAnakin... indeed!). In other words: good story, bad script.
Zero emotion "killed" the PT to me, not the story.
But I agree on your point about Lucas not being the one and only person behind the first trilogy (the creative team behind the first movie was indeed a combination of great talents).
But you know, even the mighty Irvin Kershner did Robocop 2... I think it was not a bad idea to take new blood to make the PT (even rock bands do that! ;) look Deep Purple, they could go on for ever changing members each ten years. lol). It's just ended poorly on screen.
Yeah, Naboo do not have a great army, even Panaka say " Our security
volunteers will be no match against a battle-hardened Federation army."
But I think Adywan is right when he say that it will be a mess to do. I think there are other things more important to edit. And turning Naboo into Alderaan (even if it's a sweet idea) could really increase the difficulty editing the rest of the movies.
Beside, in the end, I feel like the PT revisited should not be too "radical". I mean, I don't have problem with most of the story, it just needs to be told in an interesting way.
For exemple, I think the midichlorians could stay on the PT revisited... let me explain.
To me it's clear that the midichlorians are not the Force, they are just life formes in your blood that helps you to "feel" the Force, so they did not rape my childhood like I heard so many times. Beside, in the OT, Yoda himself say to Luke that the Force is strong in his family, so in a way, it was a kind of genetic thing from the begining: you can't be strong with the Force even with a few Obi-Wan lessons, you need to have "the Force" in your blood! In a way, ESB is the movie that allowed the midichlorians. (sacrilege! I know... ;) )
I would like to make clear that Palpatine is behind the birth of Anakin (through midichlorian manipulations), that would be the "I am your father" of the PT (he almost say that in the ROTS opera scene if you read betwen the lines). Of course you have to find an explanation to: why a slave on Tatooine, and how the hell Qui Gon was so lucky to find him? Maybe some editing could show us that it was all in Palpatine's plan? Difficult too, I know...
Anyway, what I want to say is, like Adywan often say, that we can't reshoot the movie, we have to work with what we have. Just let's try to edit things in an interesting and entertaining way never done before in all the PT fanedits. I fell that the simplest ideas are, most of the time, the better.
But this thread is great, I like all the crazy ideas around here! Maybe some will find a path to the PT revisited.
Thanks.
Well, there will be both good and dirty audio tracks on the DVD. Maybe I could do a menu where it's an obligation to choose which audio you want to start the movie. That way both audio mix will be "official" and "bonus" at the same time.
Okay, here is a new video sample: 42 seconds, 51M.
4:3, with all old filters and dirty mono sound.
http://rapidshare.com/files/172978232/4-3_sample_dirty_sound.mpg
edit:
I will just change the text cards a bit with more omni directional lightning, like on the previous pictures I posted. The text itsellf should be smoother too. (in fact I just found out that a filter layer was inverted, but that's no big deal)
I will not argue for ever about how the PT are indeed different from the OT, we all are agree about that and we all agree that the OT are better.
But you remember me those who say that the last album of their favorit rock band sucks because it does not sound like the old ones. But it's still the same band! just different mood and/or age. You can say you don't like the last album, but you can't say it's not the same band. It's just that their vision of the music don't fit yours anymore.
And saying that it's not the same univers sounds a bit like you don't want to face the true. Which is that our so beloved movie saga is not exactly the same anymore. You can blind yourself pretending it's not Star Wars, but the new generations will mostly watch them from ep1 to ep6 and we can't do anything about that. All we can do is to show us the Adywan revisited OT! ;)
PS: This was not an angry post against anyone (as I am french, sometimes I don't know if the tone of my english is appropriate or not!)
To me movies stopped being an artform when they got rid of traditional effects, traditional animation and Stopped using film. The few still doing so should be commended because the Lucas types out there are going to destroy it with their great modern advances that forget storytelling and craftsmanship come first.
I think you're partialy right, I mean, you can't really blame the tools, it's the way we use them. When directors will stop over playing with their new toys, or using them for low cost production, and concentrate on originality and storytelling, the result will be better, I'm optimist. Some already did nice works IMO.
Okay, I will see for the dirty audio sample. I still have to finish to correct another problem with the new 4:3 cropping but now I know how to do it.
I will fully use the old cinema filter via virtualdub, so there will also be little white noise on the picture (unlike my previous video samples). The only thing that bugs me is that through virtualdub I can't really control the "projector like" brightness vibration (it's "on" or "off") and I think it's too much. It's nice a couple of minutes but then it's getting boring. Maybe I will render a video of that "brightness vibration" alone, and use it as a layer on premiere pro 2, so I will control the % of it.
Almost there...
I hope to finish episode 1 by next week. Then it will take less time to do the other parts because I guess the learning process is over. For the text cards I just stretch them to fit 4:3. I think it looks okay.
I may share video samples to have some feedback this week end, before doing the other episodes.
What Lucas did in the prequels was a betrayal of Star Wars and an insult to all of us. Those films don't fit into the same universe as the originals and as such they don't belong counted as part of the original saga.
The fact is the PT were a little letdown to me for the exact opposite of what you said: I pretty much already knew all about the main story (hell, even the final Anakin/Obi duel surrounded by lava was known for 20 years). No real surprise, appart some annoying and useless ones.
So I understand when people say that they don't like the PT and that they prefer ignoring them, but you can't say that they do not fit into the same univers. (well, yes, you can say that...but I disagree: ;) ) because it is the back story we already knew for ages, it's just the way of telling it that was (mostly) poorly done and missed good opportunities.
Maybe the whole saga is more interesting for younger generations that see them in chronological order for the first time, I don't know.
And in this case it's better to end the saga with the better movies! So all in all, it's not such a bad thing that the PT is not as good as the OT!