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lpd said:

Watched "Into Darkness" today, it was full of action, lasers, space ships, music and tongue in cheek humor just like every good Star Wars movie, cough! cough! I mean every good Star Trek movie.

You never know:-)

Yes totally agree with the above, it is a fun ride...

However, it is also a badly plotted and stupidly structured mess. With core emotional scenes that woefuly miss the mark and that are in fact sobotaged by the plot and direction itself.

And if you are wondering has JJ turned down the god awful lense flair. Hell no! Now you've got hundreds of lights hovering between you and the actors in glorious 3D.

With 2009's Star Trek reboot I was so glad to have a new trek romp that I was fully prepared to forgive it the flaws.  But they've had 3 years to come up with something better.

JJ has only 2 years before episode VII. This does not look good.

AOTC: Reborn now uploaded to mega.co.nz

PM me for the new link.

Or get the full torrent package from MySpleen (It's fully seeded now)

Neglify said:

Most exhaustive change list ever. You beat Adywan's Episode IV change list (in terms of how much information is given).

Awesome!

If I've been more OCD about my list than the mighty Adywan I feel some sort of medal is in order.

I really should crack on with similar lists for AOTC and ROTS.

PM sent on fanedit.org

The Nerd said:

IT'S AMAZING!!! IT'S GREAT NEWS!!! IT WILL JUST BLOW YOUR MIND FAR INTO THE NEXT GALAXY!!!

Adywan has has revealed just one shot of the new wampa. And it looks impressive. Here's the link to the image: http://i.imgur.com/Go3nAIH.png

IMO I don't like it. I agree with all of Adywan's changes up 'til now. But SW should always be child friendly, his new Wampa is so mind bendingly scary that it could potentialy traumatise younger children ;-)

SilverWook said:

I had so much fun with the mods and cheat codes for JK II. There was one that turned all the bad guys, (or good guys) into Jar Jar. That plus unlocking realistic saber combat got a lot of stress out of my system. ;)

When I was having a bad day, I would embrace the dark side. I would fill that stardestroyer hangar level full of bad guys, then vent them into space.

Yes modding was great. I pasted me and my friends faces onto the skins of multiplayer characters so we could face off for real. We'd usually kill each other while we were still having a text gloat from the last kill by typing in something like "Now I am the master" or "You are beaten, it is useless to res..." = ZAP!

vacuum said:

i can only watch rotj on vhs. why?  because the camera is so static, the pan and scan version gives it some movement. i also like tron on vhs for this reason.

I know, as a kid I had a well worn VHS copy of ROTJ taped from ITV in the UK. My brain still half expects the camera to pan from left to right slowly when Jabba is speaking.  My VHS did this to read the hard subs lol

I also remember a lot of my 80s home VHS favourites having the swearing dubbed out (Terminator, Aliens, Robocop, Predator etc).  When they re-released 'Back To The Future' at the cinema a while back, I almost spilled my popcorn when Doc Brown says "Your gonna see some serious shit!" (I always assumed he was supposed to say "...serious stuff"

SpilkaBilka said:

Very cool!  What's the source of Red Leader's "I met your father..." lines?  Obviously that wasn't included in the SE.  Is it from Behind the Magic?

thx, it's from the blu-ray deleted material

SilverWook said:

By way of comparison, how has Disney been treating their live action films on Blu Ray? I haven't read anything negative about Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

I just got it.  Once again it's FANTASTIC!!! Though obviously Disney have censored the infamous Jessica rabbit dress moment lol

AntcuFaalb said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

generalfrevious said:

Alright. I'm still mad at him for not letting us see the originals, and I doubt disney will do anything to rectify that situation.

I'm a borderline nihilist, yet even I think you're being too pessimistic in this regard.

 

Yes Disneyhaving the franchise makes me very hopeful restoration wise. Disney always spend time, money and love on meticulous restorations. Some of their restorations of the Disney classics on Blu-Ray are so beautiful yu wanna cry. Finger prints and brushstrokes of the artists can be seen in the detail.  Plus releasing more boxsets is free money for Disney!

Bullshit. Disney's Blu-ray releases of their theatrical animated titles are terrible, at best.

Most suffer from issues related to revisionist "modern" colortiming and all have been degrained to hell.

The Blu-ray release of Cinderella was degrained so much that the 1997 NTSC VHS release shows more fine detail than it.

Don't believe me? See for yourself: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6402859&postcount=2

This is getting off topic, but why bother responding to my statement by typing something that is OBVIOUSLY untrue like "Bullshit. Disney's Blu-ray releases of their theatrical animated titles are terrible, at best"??????

"Terrible, at best"!!!! What is a good release then????

The links to comparisons you provided show that the Blu-Ray images are of a vastly higher resolution and quality with every detail perfectly reproduced. As to the colour timing, they are comparing less colourful Laserdiscs, VHS and DVD copies. Just beacuse the colour is more lustrous on the BR doesn't mean it is an inferior record of the original image.

Also your link is from the superb and authorative http://www.blu-ray.com/ which gives the image quality of the BR of Beauty and the beast a perfect 5 out of 5 score!!!! They desribe it as:

"The fine textures and brush strokes that lend the film's hand-painted backgrounds such personality are intact, the tiniest imperfections in the animators' lineart have been preserved and rendered with care, and every nuance and subtlety is sharper, more refined and ultimately more satisfying than ever before."

To show that I'm not just depending on other's opinions I've taken a capture of my own PAL 2D Blu-Ray of Beauty and the beast. Click the image below to see a larger version...

(Unfortunately the capture is a compressed *.jpg and does not reflect any where near the full colour range and detail, but still...) The image is gorgeous and richly detailed. Notice how the hair and cloak are inked in two different greys. Notice how even the grain of the background artwork's paper is preserved. Notice that even a loose bristle from the artists brush has been left un-smoothed in the lower right corner.

The BR also includes a hours of features including a feature length doc, a commentary from the creators, deleted scenes, multiple seemlessly branched cuts of the film and even a picture-in-picture comparison where you can watch the film as a pencil sketch animatic! The bonus content is also included on a seperate BR disc to maximise the quality of the first movie disc.

SO

as I already said !!!"Disney always spend time, money and love on meticulous restorations."!!!

Don't know why I've taken the time to type this but it's annoying when somebody throws words like "Bullshit" around, when they are demonstrably wrong.

Click the image above to watch a little test of how the workprint might look...

(It's a bit low-res mind you, to get it up on Vimeo)

RRS-1980 said:

I wasn't impressed with level design in Jedi Knight, everything reeked of "Quake multiplayer arenas"

There was something about the huge levels in DF2 that I adored. Walking Kyle over tiny gantrys spanning huge cavernous depths, or inching round corners of towering buildings was intense. Especially when brutal cross winds cold just blow you off, followed by a long, long drop and sound of broken bones. But yes the level graphics were sub par which was much improed with Outcast.

It had REAL heights was the thing. If I walk a character of a height in most games I  get a little death animation. In DF2 you felt the whole drop. Plus if you force-pushed a baddie off something you got the satisfaction of watching him all the way down lol

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

generalfrevious said:

Alright. I'm still mad at him for not letting us see the originals, and I doubt disney will do anything to rectify that situation.

I'm a borderline nihilist, yet even I think you're being too pessimistic in this regard.

 

Yes Disneyhaving the franchise makes me very hopeful restoration wise. Disney always spend time, money and love on meticulous restorations. Some of their restorations of the Disney classics on Blu-Ray are so beautiful yu wanna cry. Finger prints and brushstrokes of the artists can be seen in the detail.  Plus releasing more boxsets is free money for Disney!

fishmanlee said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Wonder if there is a SW score on piano album?

have this guy do it ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCu60yZmp4

Lovely piece of music. But I'm not actually gonna do a silent vesion

Disney need to get Charles de Lauzirika in to work on the OT. His work on the Blade Runner restoration was a masterclass in how to please everybody with a film release.

Loved that my Blade Runner boxset that he ut together has all the different versions.  But in truth Lauzirika's 'Final Cut' of the film is so good that I'd happily just own that cut, if that was the only option. I could never say that about a SW release.  He cleaned it, upgraded it and fixed in all kinds of subtle ways, without 'changing' anything.

Erikstormtrooper said:

I'll throw in an honorable mention for Jedi Outcast, which had awesome mechanics for lightsaber duels.

that game nailed using the lightsaber. especially with the slice n dice unlocked.  rest of the game didn't quite match up to DF2 for reasons that I could never quite put my finger on...

daneditor said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

*Would love to see SW done as a silent movie. Another great idea for a fan edit. Sped up to silent speed, 4:3 ratio, intertitles, cut down to an hour. Wonder if there is a SW score on piano album?

It's been done by TMBTM:

http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/80-fanedit-listings/fanmix/94-star-wars-30-s-silent-edition-part-1-dusty-version

Yes that looks exactly like I imagined! Colour tinting DW Griffith style. I was considering the black fringe for the workprint but decided I didn't like it

This clip captures the silent idea perfectly..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOjzLggAKis

Brand new CinemaSins on JJ's Star Trek is up on YuTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiQ9piVgtWM

Thanks 005,

Getting a torrents of SW:Begins and despecialised ed now

CP3S said:

Star Wars: Dark Forces IV: Jedi Knight III: Jedi Outcast II: Jedi Academy.

Lol

Would love to play some old SW PC games but I can never get win 7 to install them.  Once win 7 has the game installed it runs it fine, which is wierd.

generalfrevious said:

Can't we all just go back to 1995, when we all we had to do was sweep the problems of ROTJ under the rug?

Yes if we could all "Unlearn what we have learned" we'd all be a lot happier.

What is the best fan reconstruction of SW Theatrical in full HD?

I just tried a test using my Theatrical DVD. Because of the low res digital compresion when I aplied the scuzzy aging filter it looked awful in an unpleasent digital way... not awful in a cool degraded film stock sorta way.

The still test above is done on a rip of the BR and looks nice. But I don't wanna base this project on the SE.

Another idea:

WW2 Battleships for Stardestroyers (And mon cal cruisers in ROTJ)?

PLUS!!!

Anyone have (If it exists) a copy of the Jabba in falcon hanger deleted scene without digi-slug-Jabba?

Ronster said:

Silent movie with John williams score... Only the most important lines would need text to tell the story... even have the footage slightly speeded up.

replace CSPO for the robot in metropolis

Not keen on the silent idea for this project*, want it to be fun in a grindhouse sorta way and the music and sound effects ARE star wars for me.

But using the robot woman from metroplois is an interesting idea.

*Would love to see SW done as a silent movie. Another great idea for a fan edit. Sped up to silent speed, 4:3 ratio, intertitles, cut down to an hour. Wonder if there is a SW score on piano album?

I posted this on another thread yesterday…

A fake workprint would be fun actually. Like a scratchy, flickering 8mm black n white movie-ola cut. With all the footage cut back in and old WW2 newsreel/film footage used for the FX shots, with the odd “FX missing” intertitle and rough splices instead of smooth wipes. That would be a blast to watch. Kinda like this…

Been thinking since yesterday it would be a lot of fun to put together.  But I’d need help from everyone sourcing all the footage that could be used.

I need links and suggestions to extra snippets of material that could be used. Obviously all the BR deleted material would be used but what other footage exists from documentaries and bloopers and the like that could be used.  Post me YouTube links that I can rip, or just tell me where in my SW boxset I should look to rip the footage.

I also need suggestions for old “temp/animatic” footage from vintage WW2 films for the FX shots.  The dambusters and 663 squadron are a start. But I need specific shots that closely match the framing and movement of the original FX. Ships would have to be consistent I imagine…

Lancaster bomber = the falcon

Spitfire/hurricane = x-wings

Bi-planes = Tie fighters??? (Because of the double wing similarity) or German WW2 fighters???

What the hell would a star destroyer be… zeppelins???

I could also use b&w scans of matte paintings to represent the death star and planets.

Also how would the opening credits look.  A static text intertitle?

I’m thinking, chop it down to 16:9 ratio (Rather than full widescreen), to give it a more immediate and warmer feel but more importantly this will also mean that the old 4:3 WW2 footage wouldn’t need cropping so much.

Just ideas for SW/ANH for now please. But if it comes off I’ll be doing ESB and ROTJ for sure.

Post me links and screenshots of your suggestions!!

Also check my new PT Star Wars:Reborn edit at:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Ryans-Star-Wars-Reborn-PT-fanedit-Changelist-for-TPM-added-PM-for-links/topic/15441/

IF YOU CONTRIBUTE TO AN IDEA I USE IN THIS THREAD, I’LL ADD YOU TO THE CREDITS!

TPM: Reborn - How The Boonta Eve Classic should have gone down

Newly added to my Vimeo page...

http://vimeo.com/65608314