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Baronlando said:

What he shot is pretty far from a disaster, that's just one of those dramatic "facts" that gets passed around a lot and becomes true. The greatest editor in the world will be the first to say you can't actually make a shitty movie great after the fact. George was sharp as a tack when it came to shooting what was necessary and possible and the actors are allowed to be loose and likeable. Thats pure good directing.

"You don't know the power of the Darkside editing"

Checkout Orson Welles's 1973 documentary/essay/forgery 'F For Fake' to see what an editor can create (Also it's hands down one of the greatest films ever created). Every shot of Orson's miraculous film is a lie created in his editing room to fool and amuse us the viewers.  It's 100% a Welles film but only about 10% of the footage was shot for the film by Welles. The rest is footage by other people edited by Orson into a narrative created by his skillful editing.

You can get it from Criterion in the US and Eureka! in Europe, via Amazon.

Highly reccomended.

Also the clip below shows the kind of stuff George shot before Muren, Burtt, Williams and Co sorted it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQBeIN6IJCQ

A spoof workprint would be fun actually. Like a scratchy, flickring 8mm black n white movie-ola cut. With all the footage in and old WW2 newsreel footage used for the FX shots, with the odd "FX missing" intertitle and rough splices instead of smooth wipes. That would be a blast to watch. Kinda like this...

Watched 'The War of the Stars II' fan edit last night. that does a fantastic job of incorporating all the blu-ray scenes from ESB and ROTJ seemlessly with added sound and FX (Lasers blasts, glowing sabers etc). But of course the whole rest of the film is reedited and rescored too.

Lord Haseo said:

First of all let me quote myself...

 

The truth is that George Lucas only made one masterpiece in his career, and that’s the weirdly underappreciated American Graffiti.

Empire Strikes Back......I rest my case.

 

So overated.....not in the slightest. >_>

 

Except Lucas didn't make ESB... Kirschner did!

Which is the point being made. 'American Graffiti' is the only good film he made on his own, all credit to him. ANH was great also but it took a huge team of genius editors, sound crew and FX bods to rescue the disaster he'd shot.

Many of the great moments in ESB were crafted by Kirschner on set. He shot the carbonite scene as scripted and it sucked so they improvised the classic "I know" line. A moment that ties with "I am your father" as the emoional climax of the movie.

emanswfan said:

Looks interesting there, though usually most changelists are slightly more general.  I'll certainly watch your edits when I have the time.

I did like some edits you used in your ROTS opening.

Thanks!

Has anyone download TPM:Reborn from Mega?

If so did it all download and unpack okay?

Star Wars: Rebellion/Supremacy from 1998, was a lot of fun also. Nothing like blowing up a whole quadrant with your death star then watching the whole galaxy turn against you and join the rebellion lol

SpilkaBilka said:

I thought the snowspeeder level in Shadows of the Empire was a million times better.  I played that over and over.  But I really hated Rogue Squadron.

Total oposite for me. Loved Rogue Squadron (Though I agree the controls could be annoying if you didn't tinker with them in setup as I recall) then played Shadows Of The Empire hoth mission and thought it compared badly so ignored the rest of the game.

Only ever read one EU novel and it was the superb SOTE. Maybe I just thought the game couldn't measure up

SilverWook said:

Bad enough they don't mention THX, but since when was AG "weirdly under appreciated" ? There is a fanbase, and IIRC, events are held yearly to celebrate the film. Including drag races in vintage cars...

Think he means in a critical sense. Critics loath Lucas (For mostly good reasons) so that means his good work gets ignored along with the bad.

It's not "Cool" (For lack of a better term) for a cineast to say they like a Lucas film.  But other Director's are critically lauded like Terence Malick for example, whose films are self-indlgent (Yet beautiful) drivel.

I loved Lucas' last project 'Red Tails' (Despite a few flaws) but it barely got a cinema release in the UK.

http://youtu.be/w-q-P1fYchE

I have somehow existed in a glorious bubble of ignorance for the past few years having never watched a twilight film or read a twilight book... don't think I've even watched a trailer (Must have only been attached to other w*nk films that I avoid). I have been forced to look at the posters though, that was enough.

Hey, it's me. said:

generalfrevious said:

SilverWook said:

If he had, what the heck would would we have done with our free time and disposable income the past 36 years?

A world without Star Wars is not a pleasant concept. 

I am of the opinion that Lucas had nothing to do with SW; he might have been nothing more than just a hired hand for the first film and later revised history to make it look like he was the mastermind of the whole franchise. It's like saying Star Trek would not have existed without Rick Berman.

What is it with Ricks?

I kinda thought Star Trek "Nuked the fridge" when they introduced speed limits into TNG.

Instead of lines like...

"Warp 9.7 now ensign!!!" "But Captain, she'll fly apart sir!" "Dammit, fly her apart then!"

We got:

"Warp 2.5 Mr Data, and no faster mind you. We don't want to break any Starfleet Health and Safety regulations now do we.  Afterall I'm sure the Aliens we are pursuing will have adopted a similar code of practice"

With the reboot JJ did re-attach the balls to the franchise somewhat. Hope he does the same with SW Episode VII.

Would LOVE!!! to see this if all the elements were extensively and sensitvely cleaned, cut and rescored.

Not interested in a rough assembly style integration of the footage (I could do that myself). Need some fans with mad restoration skills on this project.

- All Jar-Jar/Gungan audio replaced with alternate soundtrack and newly written subtitles.
- All references to Anakin crashing his pod, being clumsy or not being a good racer have been removed.
- All references to Padme and the Queen being seperate people are removed.
- All subtitles partially or completely rewritten to alter character and story.


- 00.00.00 Old ROTJ Fox fanfare used
- 00.00.10 OT Lucasfilm logo used
- 00.10.58 First gurning closeup of Jar-Jar removed
- 00.11.04 NEWJJSUB "Oma-Oma save me!
- 00.11.07 NEWJJSUB "What... was that?"
- 00.11.16 NEWJJSUB "Master Jedi, you..."
- 00.11.17 NEWJJSUB "Hey, wait!"
- 00.11.20 NEWJJSUB "I owe you my life"
- 00.11.23 NEWJJSUB "Brainless? I Speak!"
- 00.11.28 NEWJJSUB "No no. You saved my life Master Jedi,"
- 00.11.30 NEWJJSUB "I am Prince Jar-Jar Binks,"
- 00.11.32 NEWJJSUB "I always repay a debt"
- 00.11.34 NEWJJSUB "Oh but it is, the  Gungan gods demand it!"
- 00.11.39 NEWJJSUB "Oh no!"
- 00.11.49 NEWJJSUB "You saved me again Master Jedi!"
- 00.11.55 NEWJJSUB "More?"
- 00.11.57 NEWJJSUB "More you say!"
- 00.11.59 NEWJJSUB "This Droid army came from nowhere."
- 00.12.02 NEWJJSUB "I must alert my farther in Otuh Gunga."
- 00.12.04 NEWJJSUB "For now, our people should be safe there,"
- 00.12.06 NEWJJSUB "It's a hidden city..."
- 00.12.09 NEWJJSUB "Ah huh."
- 00.12.12 NEWJJSUB "Yes, follow me."
- 00.12.13 Rest of "A thousand terrible things" scene removed
- 00.12.19 NEWJJSUB "Otuh Gunga is here, under this lake."
- 00.12.21 NEWJJSUB "I hope you Jedi can swim!"
- 00.12.23 NEWJJSUB "Gungans don't usually permit strangers to enter..."
- 00.12.26 NEWJJSUB "So don't expect a warm welcome!"
- 00.12.32 Elaborate Jar-Jar dive almost entirely removed
- 00.12.40 NEWJJSUB "Come, follow me friends."
- 00.13.27 NEWJJSUB "Thank Oma-Oma! The city is still safe."
- 00.13.36 NEWGUNGANSUB "Outsiders here? Call the guards!"
- 00.13.47 NEWCTSUB "My Lord! We'll kill these intruders immediately!"
- 00.13.49 NEWJJSUB "No! Captain Tarpals, my friends require transport..."
- 00.13.52 NEWJJSUB "...at once!"
- 00.13.53 NEWCTSUB "I apologise Prince Jar-Jar!"
- 00.13.54 NEWCTSUB "Guards, what are you waiting for!"
- 00.13.55 NEWCTSUB "Prepare a sub without delay!"
- 00.13.57 Jar-Jar getting electroshocked and the whole meeting with boss Nass removed
- 00.13.58 Neimoidian invasion talk with Sidious brought forward
- 00.14.34 Sub leaving Otuh Gunga pushed back
- 00.14.52 NEWJJSUB "No. the Gungans and Naboo have never got on."
- 00.14.54 NEWJJSUB "We nearl came to war, erm..."
- 00.14.57 NEWJJSUB "about a century ago."
- 00.15.11 NEWJJSUB "You see, the Naboo are... artists and philosophers,"
- 00.15.15 NEWJJSUB "the Gungans on the other hand... are mighty warriors!"
- 00.15.25 Jar-Jar reaction re-dubbed
- 00.15.28 NEWJJSUB "An Opee Sea-Killer, we're doomed!"
- 00.15.44 Jar-Jar line removed
- 00.15.48 2nd planet core scene removed
- 00.15.49 Theed occupation scene brought forward
- 00.16.32 'Waterfall' deleted scene partially re-instated
- 00.16.34 NEWJJSUB "Welcome to Theed young Jedi."
- 00.17.27 Jar-Jar tripping into the water removed
- 00.19.01 OT hero sting used over Droid fight/Queen rescue
- 00.19.09 Jar-Jar clowning and Obi-Wan landing removed
- 00.19.25 NEWJJSUB "These Jedi sure are powerful warriors!"
- 00.20.23 Queen's indecision and Padme line removed
- 00.21.35 Obi-Wan and Jar-Jar Droid bay scene removed
- 00.21.56 Shots of Jar-Jar in Droid bay removed
- 00.23.16 Queen discussing Tatooine scene brought forward
- 00.23.24 Mention of Padme's name removed
- 00.24.00 Darth Maul holo introduction pushed back
- 00.24.47 Padme cleaning R2 scene removed
- 00.25.27 Panaka "Wait" request scene removed
- 00.25.50 Jar-Jar slipping in sh*t removed
- 00.26.03 NEWWATSUB "Greetings, come in..."
- 00.26.07 NEWWATSUB "How can I help today?"
- 00.26.17 NEWWATSUB "Anakin, quick! There's money to be made."
- 00.26.23 NEWWATSUB "Just you be quicker next time!"
- 00.26.25 NEWANSUB "I was tuning that new X-34 speeder."
- 00.26.27 NEWWATSUB "Yes, yes. Mind the store, I got a deal to make."
- 00.26.36 Qui-Gon telling Jar-Jar off and Jar-Jar blowing a raspberry removed
- 00.26.38 Qui-Gon and Watto in junkyard scene brought forward
- 00.27.34 1st Anakin talking to Padme scene pushed back and joined with 2nd scene
- 00.28.27 Jar-Jar clowning in Watto's shop almost totally removed
- 00.28.29 Anakin "Fixing things line" removed as Jar-Jar was ALL OVER IT!
- 00.28.30 Shot of Qui-Gon leaving minimised to minimise Jar-Jar juggling
- 00.28.36 Jar-Jar getting lost shot removed
- 00.28.38 NEWWATSUB "Huh... outlanders!"
- 00.28.41 NEWWATSUB "They're gona need looking after in this place."
- 00.28.44 NEWANSUB "I kinda liked 'em."
- 00.28.46 NEWWATSUB "Well then... go warn 'em,"
- 00.28.48 NEWWATSUB "a sand storm's coming."
- 00.28.49 "Yippee!!!" removed
- 00.29.12 Jar-Jar argueing with Qui-Gon removed
- 00.29.22 Jar-Jar/Sebulba scene re-sequenced so Sebulba makes an unprovoked attack on Jar-Jar in a reference back/forward to ANH Cantina incident
- 00.29.23 NEWJJSUB "Oh... those look delicious."
- 00.29.27 NEWSUB "Hey, hey. No browsing stranger!"
- 00.29.32 NEWSEBSUB "I don't think he likes you very much,"
- 00.29.34 NEWJJSUB "I was only... ahhh!"
- 00.29.36 NEWSEBSUB "and I don't like you either."
- 00.29.40 NEWANSUB "What's this Sebulba?"
- 00.29.42 NEWANSUB "Beating up tourists again?"
- 00.29.44 NEWANSUB "It's gotta be easier than beating me on the track."
- 00.29.47 NEWSEBSUB "Shame you're not racing tomorrow monkey boy,"
- 00.29.51 NEWSEBSUB "I'd love to run you into a canyon wall.. slave scum!"
- 00.29.56 NEWANSUB "You'd have to catch me first!"
- 00.30.10 NEWJJSUB "You're sure brave boy,"
- 00.30.13 NEWJJSUB "I'm lucky you came along."
- 00.30.14 Qui-Gon trouble line removed
- 00.30.15 Jar-Jar protesting removed
- 00.30.18 1st Jira scene brought forward
- 00.31.05 NEWJJSUB "I'm glad to be outta that storm."
- 00.31.09 NEWJJSUB "Hello."
- 00.31.17 NEWJJSUB "Ah, this looks tasty!"
- 00.32.30 Obi-Wan and Panaka sandstorm scene pushed back
- 00.32.48 Queen message scene removed
- 00.32.50 Message from Naboo re-coloured to appear in the cockpit with Obi-Wan
- 00.33.55 NEWJJSUB "How awful!"
- 00.34.04 Jar-Jar eating fruit removed
- 00.34.17 Qui-Gon grabbing Jar-Jar's tongue removed
- 00.35.24 NEWJJSUB "We don't have anything to trade."
- 00.36.56 Qui-Gon disagreeing with Padme removed
- 00.37.17 Discussion of Anakin crashing his last Pod removed and shots resequenced
- 00.37.27 "That you did line" removed
- 00.37.27 "The boy's good..." line brought forward
- 00.38.13 NEWWATSUB "Your new friend sure likes to take risks, huh."
- 00.40.12 Kitster's sarcasm removed
- 00.40.14 Ginger kid mocking Anakin removed
- 00.40.15 NEWSUB "Your gonna need luck Ani!"
- 00.40.24 Anakin warning Jar-Jar removed
- 00.40.25 Jar-Jar fumbling wrench replaced with shot of R2
- 00.40.26 All shots of Jar-Jar getting zapped by the energy binders removed
- 00.40.27 C3PO's Jar-Jar is odd lines removed
- 00.41.54 Qui-Gon's Mediclorian count line removed
- 00.41.57 Obi-Wan's over twenty thousand line removed
- 00.42.59 Dawn before the podrace deleted scene partialy re-instated
- 00.43.33 Padme's your mother line removed
- 00.44.36 Jar-Jar reaction shot removed
- 00.44.37 Watto's Sebulba always wins line removed
- 00.45.42 NEWWATSUB "Good luck my boy."
- 00.45.45 NEWWATSUB "Better stop your friend's gambling, before I own him too!"
- 00.46.06 Scene describing Anakin as such a bad pilot he's never actually finished a race removed
- 00.46.29 Grid sequence deleted scene partially re-instated
- 00.46.30 NEWBESUB "Welcome to the 'Boonta Eve Classic',"
- 00.46.32 NEWBESUB "the highlight in the calender of all Podracers."
- 00.46.51 NEWBESUB "Let's run through todays contenders..."
- 00.46.55 NEWBESUB "Gasgano's in his custom Ord Pedrovia."
- 00.46.58 NEWBESUB "Beside him, Teemto Pagalies,"
- 00.47.03 NEWBESUB "and of course the Grand-Champion of Pixelito..."
- 00.47.08 NEWBESUB "Sebulba!"
- 00.47.57 Jar-Jar stealing Mars Guo's applause removed
- 00.48.27 Three-Stooges pit Droids shot removed
- 00.48.45 Flag Parade music remixed and extended
- 00.48.51 Jar-Jar fart gag removed
- 00.49.14 NEWSEBSUB "You won't walk away from this one kid,"
- 00.49.17 NEWSEBSUB "I'll make sure of it."
- 00.49.19 NEWANSUB "Don't count on it, slime ball."
- 00.49.22 NEWSEBSUB "You're gonna be Bantha fodder."
- 00.49.52 NEWBESUB "Now entering the arena, the mighty Jabba The Hutt."
- 00.50.08 NEWSUB "Welcome podracing fans from across te galaxy."
- 00.50.12 NEWSUB "To the racers who survive, we salute you!"
- 00.50.48 Padme questioning Qui-Gon's judgement removed
- 00.51.45 Jar-Jar me no watchin' line and shot removed
- 00.51.51 Quadinaros frustration shot removed
- 00.51.53 Ratts Tyerell exchanging looks with his wife removed
- 00.51.56 Jabba spitting on a gong removed
- 00.51.58 Start of podrace re-cut so Anakin no longer stalls on the grid
- 00.53.05 Shot of Ratts Tyerell's wife reacting to his death
- 00.53.22 Shot of Quadinaros on grid removed
- 00.53.24 Quadinaros having engine trouble sequence removed
- 00.53.24 Crowd shots flipped to better follow left to right race flow
- 00.53.27 NEWBESUB "In the lead, Sebulba!"
- 00.53.22 Ody Mandrell pit trouble scene removed
- 00.53.31 Jabba flicking creature removed
- 00.53.36 Shot of Anakin in distance removed
- 00.53.48 Shot of alien selling snacks removed
- 00.53.53 Extended lap two deleted scene partially re-instated
- 00.54.34 Bumpy Roose pit scene removed
- 00.56.41 Teemto Pagalies crash shortened to make it clear he didn't survive
- 00.56.42 Beed "That's gotta hurt" line removed
- 00.56.43 Shots of Jawas looting wreckage underfire from Tuskans removed
- 00.56.69 Jar-Jar "Here he comes" and crowd reaction shots removed
- 00.57.46 OT hero sting mixed over Anakin aerial manoeuvre and subsequent shots
- 00.58.05 NEWJJSUB "What a pilot!"
- 00.59.45 Jar-Jar "Careful Ani" shot removed
- 00.59.48 NEWSEBSUB "He never gives up!"
- 01.00.36 Shot of Sebulba surviving removed
- 01.01.02 NEWJJSUB "We won Ani!"
- 01.01.08 NEWWATSUB "The race musta been fixed!"
- 01.01.19 NEWJJSUB "You've saved us Ani!"
- 01.01.31 "You have brought hope to those who have none" line removed
- 01.02.25 NEWJJSUB "Hello."
- 01.02.33 Obi-Wan's "Pathetic lifeform" line removed
- 01.02.43 Anakin's Scuffle With Greedo deleted scene fully re-instated
- 01.03.05 NEWSUB "He must of."
- 01.03.22 NEWSUB "One day Greedo, you're gonna pick a fight with the wrong person."
- 01.08.23 Farewell To Jira deleted scene partially re-instated
- 01.08.32 "Kindest boy in the galaxy" line removed
- 01.09.31 "I'm tired" line removed
- 01.09.58 Shot of Qui-Gon lying down removed
- 01.11.56 "Queen is worried" line removed
- 01.11.58 "She must convince the Senate" line removed
- 01.12.22 "Many things will change" line and remainder of the scene removed
- 01.13.11 Exchange of looks between Anakin and Padme removed
- 01.13.12 "Report on situation" line removed
- 01.13.51 Long shot of Anakin looking at Qui-Gon and Padme line removed
- 01.14.02 NEWJJSUB "Now, Queen Padme will get the senate to help us,"
- 01.14.06 NEWJJSUB "I'm sure of it"
- 01.17.01 "Highest concentration of medicloreans" line removed
- 01.17.02 Qui-Gon line redubbed to "It is possible he was conceived in the force"
- 01.17.49 Anakin looking for Padme scene removed
- 01.22.13 NEWJJSUB "You're thinking your people are dying?"
- 01.22.19 NEWJJSUB "Gungans might be dying too..."
- 01.22.26 NEWJJSUB "Gungan's won't die without a fight... my father,"
- 01.22.30 NEWJJSUB "commands a grand Gungan army."
- 01.22.34 NEWJJSUB "Maybe that's why your people distrust us."
- 01.26.36 Medicloreans dialogue and footage removed
- 01.27.01 NEWJJSUB "We're going home!"
- 01.28.15 NEWJJSUB "You need my help?"
- 01.29.37 NEWJJSUB "There were signs of a battle,"
- 01.29.40 NEWJJSUB "and the city is deserted."
- 01.29.48 NEWJJSUB "I don't think so,"
- 01.29.50 NEWJJSUB "My father must have led our people to the,"
- 01.29.53 NEWJJSUB "Gungan's sacred refuge deep in the swamps."
- 01.29.55 NEWJJSUB "Quick follow me!"
- 01.30.15 NEWCTSUB "Sire, your son brings before you, Queen Amidala of the Naboo..."
- 01.30.18 Bodyguard arrival and Boss Nass talking to Jar-Jar shots removed
- 01.30.19 Boss Nass speech footage brought forward
- 01.30.20 NEWBNSUB "Your capital is overun with this mechanical army,"
- 01.30.23 NEWBNSUB "so what do the mighty Naboo want with us lowly Gungans?"
- 01.30.27 Bodyguard speech and Queen reveal shots removed
- 01.31.10 NEWBNSUB "I don't think a Naboo Queen has ever nealt before the Gungans!"
- 01.31.17 NEWBNSUB "I am quite overwhelmed,"
- 01.31.22 NEWBNSUB "I think the Gungans and the Naboo can be... friends."
- 01.32.01 NEWSUB "Here they come."
- 01.32.15 NEWBNSUB "I'm very proud my son."
- 01.32.18 NEWBNSUB "Jar-Jar, this alliance with the Naboo is thanks to you,"
- 01.32.22 NEWJJSUB "No, no, no..."
- 01.32.23 NEWBNSUB "Yes! You and Tarpals shall be our armies Generals."
- 01.32.28 Jar-Jar feinting removed
- 01.33.23 NEWBNSUB "The Gungans do not fear death."
- 01.34.51 NEWCTSUB "Halt!"
- 01.34.55 NEWCTSUB "Start up the shield generators."
- 01.35.42 Qui-Gon "Once we get inside" speech removed
- 01.36.18 Qui-Gon "Ani find cover" line removed
- 01.36.20 Padme "Get to your ships" line redubbed with superior TPM Trailer take
- 01.36.48 Direct shot of bodyguard removed
- 01.36.52 Shots of Anakin taking off brought forward
- 01.36.53 Anakin saying "Oops" etc removed
- 01.37.09 Shots of Anakin leaving hanger brought forward
- 01.37.10 Anakin's "Try and override it" line removed
- 01.37.25 Shots and dialogue of Anakin arriving in space brought forward
- 01.37.26 "That's where the auto..." line removed
- 01.37.52 NEWJJSUB "Steady... steady."
- 01.38.46 NEWCTSUB "I got a bad feeling about this..."
- 01.39.02 NEWCTSUB "Fire!"
- 01.39.05 Jar-Jar falling off his mount removed
- 01.39.07 All shots of Jar-Jar clowning around with "Big boomers" removed
- 01.39.16 Panaka "Red group" line and surrounding shots removed
- 01.39.17 "Hey wait for me" sequence removed
- 01.39.38 All footage involving Droidikas and Anakin removed
- 01.39.39 Queen exiting hanger footage brought forward
- 01.39.51 Hanger duel long shot removed and rest of hanger duel brought forward
- 01.40.56 All footage of Jar-Jar clowning with broken Droid removed
- 01.41.15 "this is tense" line removed
- 01.41.18 "R2 get us off..." line and footage removed
- 01.41.19 "Okay let's go left" line removed
- 01.41.21 "Go back..." line and footage removed
- 01.41.30 "I'll try spinning..." line and cockpit footage removed
- 01.43.59 NEWJJSUB "Halt, halt!"
- 01.44.02 All dialogue and footage of Jar-Jar hiding under boomer cart removed
- 01.44.07 NEWJJSUB "If I can just release these bombs... ahhh!"
- 01.44.10 All Shots of Jar-Jar looking in horror and running from Boomers removed
- 01.44.17 NEWJJSUB "General Tarpals!"
- 01.44.22 All footage of involving Jar-Jar, Tarpals and the Tank ride removed
- 01.44.26 Jar-Jar shaking head vocal re-dubbed
- 01.45.15 "Oops" removed
- 01.46.04 close up of Obi-Wan screaming "Noooooooo!" removed
- 01.46.29 NEWCTSUB "This is the end General Jar-Jar,"
- 01.46.32 NEWCTSUB "I hope we bought the Naboo enough time."
- 01.46.34 "My give up" line and footage removed
- 01.46.52 Bodyguard dialogue removed and partial footage removal
- 01.46.56 "After her..." line removed
- 01.47.20 Space battle finale brought forward
- 01.47.24 "Take this... whoah!" dialogue removed
- 01.47.32 "Oops" removed
- 01.48.01 "This is podracing" line removed
- 01.48.02 Anakin leaving control ship hanger brought forward and "whoooo" line removed
- 01.48.03 "One of ours..." line removed
- 01.48.04 Anakin and other pilots celebrating brought forward
- 01.48.11 Pilots escaping shot pushed back
- 01.48.22 NEWJJSUB "They've all stopped..."
- 01.48.24 NEWCTSUB "The Naboo must of knocked out the control ship... look!"
- 01.48.28 Jar-Jar poking Droid removed
- 01.48.36 Obi-Wan's first solo duel with Maul pushed back
- 01.48.52 Long shot of Obi and Maul twirling their sabres around removed
- 01.49.03 All footage after this point showing Obi-Wan getting knocked down the pit removed
- 01.49.04 Obi-Wan killing Maul scene brought forward
- 01.49.05 Obi-Wan flip over Maul removed and green saber rotoscoped to blue in all shots
- 01.53.32 NEWJJSUB "Hello everybody!"
- 01.53.52 Shot of Jar-Jar catching his foot in stirup removed
- 01.54.17 NEWBNSUB "Peace!"
- 01.54.58 Final cheeky credit for yours truly



Subtitles Key:

NEWJJSUB = New Jar-Jar subtitle
NEWCTSUB = New Captin Tarpals subtitle
NEWWATSUB = New Watto subtitle
NEWANSUB = New Anakin subtitle
NEWSEBSUB = New Sebulba subtitle
NEWBESUB = New Beed subtitle
NEWBNSUB = New Boss Nass subtitle


Change total almost 300 (Not including another hundred or so dialogue re-dubs to go with new subtitles)

Gogogadget said:

What that guy said, Manic Street Preachers made arguably one of the greatest albums ever made, but their discography is also filled to the brim of 5/10 albums.

Yes, Star Wars dips in quality, yes the prequels are an absolute mess of cinema that should never be reviewed at 2/10 or over (even though most major critics disagree, as do I), and honestly yes people do tend to overestimate how much of a big deal Star Wars is, but a bad fanbase or a bad series doesn't stop a great film from being great anymore.

EDIT: As much as that guy also had dumb reasoning, he's so right about American Graffiti, that film seriously needs more love.

I take it you mean MSP's The Holy Bible.

Perfect example, they peaked creatively with THB album number 3. Hard to believe they've made 7 albums of increasingly worse music (Not bad, just worse) since then. But that doesn't change the fact that THB was arguably the best album of the 90s.

Just because SW peaked creatively in 30 odd years ago doesn't mean it's a worthless franchise.

Hey, it's me. said:

The Super Star Wars series on SNES, and Rougue Squadron. 

Never had a SNES but Rogue Squadron was also a great game. Hoth was an amazing level.

I don't hold with the "Because there is more bad than good in the series it stinks" way of thinking. If that was the case then:

- The Rolling Stones are cr*p.

- Michael Jackson's music is cr*p.

- Manic Street Preachers are cr*p.

- Superman films are cr*p.

- Aliens/Predator films are cr*p.

- Bond films are cr*p.

- Star Trek is cr*p.

- Pet Shop Boys are cr*p.

- Prince is cr*p.

- Public Enemy are cr*p.

- John Carpenter is cr*p.

- The Matrix is cr*p.

- Iggy Pop is cr*p.

- David Bowie is cr*p.

I could go on...

People/bands/films/franchises run out of ideas without fresh blood sometimes. Doesn't mean what we initially loved about them is any less frickin' awesome!!!

Hey, it's me. said:

Nah he's definitely taking more of a backseat on these ones. Sure the main people will consult with him on ideas, as JJ has alluded to, but they will be given free rule to create. Offcourse Lucas will be interested as on what's going on. But as to him disagreeing to this and that, looking other Abrahms shoulder every 5 mins and generally being a pain in the arse. I think you'll find that is very wide of the mark as to what his involvement will be this time. 

Sure but the lessons of KOTCS as they point to episode VII are worrying:

- same producing team Kathleen Kennedy / Frank Marshall (Possibly Lucas too as exec Producer/consultant).

- same tired actor = harrison ford.

- JJ Abrams is often called the new Speilberg.

- same ILM people that did the god awful CGI effects in KOTCS.

- same lack-lustre scoring by John Williams.

- possibly based on George Lucas story treatment.

The definition of insanity is repeating the same sh*t and expecting a different result.

generalfrevious said:

Creative consultant=100% control. (Remember crystal skull anyone?)

TRUE!

Love the intro video on my KOTCS DVD which is just Spielberg listing all the reasons why it should never have been made before telling you how he made it anyway because George kept ringing him up.

My favourites SW games from the past would have to be a holy trinity of:

1995's 'Rebel Assault II' on the PC. Sure the gameplay was basic but the whole game was the first full on SW footage we had seen in a while. With new ships and actors wearing the real costumes from the films. It was like a new SW film that you could interact with. I played this to death!

1997's 'Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II' on the PC. The graphics were poor for the time but the levels were huge and we were able to really experience being a Jedi Knight. Leveling up our force powers as we went and choosing the light or dark path. Plus modding on the game was sooo easy to do, meaning even I could change sounds, change saber colours and even change textures with ease. I must have replayed the whole game from start to finish 20 times.

1999's 'Episode I: Racer' on the N64. The dramatic speed and reaction times needed in this game practicaly meant you had to be a Jedi to beat some of the tracks. You had to play the tracks until you knew every inch of the courses. I played this until I literally couldn't play it anymore... my right thumb would continue twitching for long periods after I'd stopped play!

Over to you guys, let the debate begin!

(There have also been some absolutely terrible SW licenced games along the way so I'd like to hear about them also).

bkev said:

For the record Mark Hamill seems to have a good sense of humor about how cheap ROTJ is plot-wise. :P

Raises a good point about the Death Star rehash, though... andgoes against the entire saga idea with it too.

Thnaks for that interview link bhev,

Loved this quote that Mark gave about Episode VII...

"We’ve got to find a proper balance between CGI and old-school models. I want to have a more organic look so that we don’t get into Roger Rabbit territory."

I'm gonna start a petition to get Mark Hamill made an honourary Brit so the Queen can give him a knighthood next year!

JJJ_Spirit_Of_77 said:

Kingherb said:

Just putting this out there, but i would really like to see Jar Jar Binks dead in the Wampa ice cave :)

Here ya go....... you're welcome. ;)

How Wude!

Phew

Writing a change list for TPM:Reborn now. Only up to 32 mins and I've got a list 120 lines long.

Bedtime is beckoning

mrbenja0618 said:

I'm interested to check this out, but I would love to see a list of changes as well. Sometime people like to see this before they invest download time.

Regardless, I appreciate your efforts.

There have been some amazing prequel edits, and while these  did make the films better, I'm still of the belief that the only way to fix the films is that they get re-made completely. I want to be wrong, so I keep hoping someone will have that magic epiphany and it all comes together. Maybe you're that guy.

Good luck in all your efforts.

Agree with everything.

Wish I'd made a change list as I was editing. I could type most of it down from memory but sometimes I only trimmed a second or a few frames out. Might have to run a comparison lol

I'll PM you the link to TPM:Reborn

Thanks for the link these are great!

Why isn't that second tauntaun pic in the movie, that's the most realistic I've ever seen that looking!

The shots of Hoth with giants in always freaks me out.

Was Bob Anderson ever young!

This is so funny...

generalfrevious said:

Let's face it, Lucas would be living on the streets if the very people he later threw out did not save ANH in editing. 

Absolutely!

'Empire of dreams' is one of the best docs about film making SW or not (Should've been on the Blu-ray in HD ffs!). It clearly shows that Lucas went to Tunisia and London and shot what looked and sounded like a piece of crap.  If I was a Fox exec and I'd viewed some of the rushes from ANH in late '76 that we see in EOD I'd have sh*t my pants!

But then world class editors, sound people and special effects wiz-kids took hold of George's disaster and carved it frame by frame into a masterpiece.

"A great film isn't directed, it's edited" - Orson Welles

So many mistakes in SW footage (That Adywan has corrected) that they tried to cover up with sound and SF. You just have to look at the fastforward/rewind Tuskan bit to see what these guys did for the film. The Tusken howling is totally iconic and it was created by the editors and Ben Burtt... not Lucas.

Lucas has a great imagination like no other but he's not a good director (He can frame a nice shot, I'll give him that), or writer or anything else! The only halfway decent film he ever directed (Without a big crew of technicians to bail him out) was 'American Graffiti'.

Not sure if this Yahoo reporter is braindead or a comedy genius but this clip is very funny either way:

http://uk.omg.yahoo.com/video/omg-star-wars-wardrobe-malfunction-174652595.html