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TV's Frink said:

How about a love scene from The Room?

I went to a screening of The Room at the PPC in London. Was loads of fun but the sight of Tommy's clammy cadaverous naked torso and buttocks still haunts my nightmares.

Not sure I wanna see it again in your edit!

Hey, it's me. said:

The Models are fantastic. I wouldn't know where to start if I was in there? The agony of choice! 

I'd skip right to the back (Straight past the Falcon) to see the fine detailing on lesser known models like the medical frigate.

Has anybody done a mix of the star wars movie mix audio with the music reduced or eliminated already?

Hi adywan,

Looking forward to seeing more of Revisted Sir! Reading about your plans for PT:Revisted was the inspiration for doing my cuts of the PT.  I've taken Vader out of my ROTS, but can't imagine how you are gonna still have Vader in the Jedi temple attack scene as you describe (And sill not spoil ESB)?

Thx for the tips.

I was listening to the Korngold music the other day. Will being using that for the second version of this fan edit for sure. Love the echo on the first cantina clip, the second clip is pure magic (Can imagine this soundtracking Miss Marple in space!).

In this version, I'm trying to keep exactly to the movie mix audio where possible so you still feel like you are getting the star wars experience. Don't want it to assualt the senses with different visuals AND different audio, in this version at least.

But for the second version, I'm gonna mix it up much more. Hopefully everyone will have given me tips such as these for temp music tracks by then. I'll lose things like the teaser trailer logo as you suggest.

I want the 'purist' version to exactly match all available information about the workprint.

So any articles people know of, would be alot of use.

fishmanlee said:

You could take Cantina band, and make it sound like it is being played on set?

Not sure how I would do that. Again another idea for the "purist" edit.

Maybe there is a recording of some bar band doing the cantina music?

RIJIR said:

Can I add some suggestions?

1. I believe the scene where C3PO is tangled in the wires on the falcon was actually shot for the beginning of the film.

Also the Lost Cut is supposed to have a documentary feel with lots of scenic shots.  You may want to add some desert scenes from other films.

And you may want to remove matte shots with images like these:

http://www.swrealprops.com/images/prod_photos/small/Sand%20Crawler%20Overlay.jpg

http://www.blueharvest.net/images/set/star/beamfloor.jpg

Well ones without the added text that is.  LOL

Thx for the comments.

1. Yes I know (Thx to the superb Star Wars: Begins fan doc). I was VERY tempted to use this idea but I won't be doing this as their is no accompanying footage of Threepio getting caught in the wires, or getting out. I'd have to cut from droids crossing corridor, to the planet below, to Threepio on the floor, to the planet and then back to to the droids getting in the escape pod. It would be just to wierd. It only works as part of the later scene because the intercutting is so rapid.

2. I've kinda done that already. Not so much footage as still back drops. From 2001's primordial intro for example, to double for Tatooine matte shots. If perfectly decent live action footage exists I won't be replacing it. However I may cut in extra footage from L of Arabia and films like that for the purist edit, since I'll be constructing a whole new soundtrack and won't bother about making it match the movie audio.

3. Again, already doing that. Matte's are being replaced with Ralph McQuarrie paintings or location photographs with explanatory text from the script overlayed.

Leonardo said:

1. you just took the sound/effects track from the completed movie.

2. in some spots it's just too loud and you can't hear the set audio.

3. just use the cd soundtrack, ditch the sound effect.

4. if you can, run all the set audio through a limiter/compressor.

Thx for interesting, if disheartening feedback ;-) Here is my response to a few of your points.

1. The new sound mix is not taken straight from the movie mix. Every cut in the deleted cantina scene is different, so I had to cut up the movie mix considerably to sync it in. My mix is created from around 35 seperate audio elements. Blending original and deleted dialogue, heavily re-aranged movie mix sound and music, CD soundtrack elements and my own voice acting efforts.

2. The onset audio is practically non-existent in the deleted scene. When a main character isn't talking the audio drops in and out at random points leaving a high pitched whine and loud bangs can be heard from the extras. In fact the sound drops out when main characters are talking too. The drops in sound caused my ears to pop, meaning the original footage on the Blu-ray is barely watchable for me at least.

3. When luke first enters the bar Ben Burtt has created a cacophonous barrage of wierd alien sounds and voices to overwhelm the senses. If this wasn't present the scene would only impact you on a visual level. You'll notice than in the second half of the scene I've not used the movie mix audio and have just layed new music over the dialogue. While it could be a tad quieter, this would cause the lack of background sound to become noticable. As the second half of the scene takes place in a quieter alcove I thought this change in my approach to the soundscape was appropriate.

4. Above my pay grade sorry. Although the fact that the dialogue from the deleted scene is a bit cr*ppy, is fine with me. As this is supposed to be a rough version anyway. I've made it louder in a few places is all.

As I said I'm probably gonna do a second 'Purist'??? version of this fanedit. With this I'll have to construct a new sound mix that sounds like a complete recording of the on-set audio, then overlay it with an imaginary temp audio track.

Just give me 1/2 an hr to have a play in that room. Saw a few of these at an exhibition in London years ago.

Here's what the PT version of that shot would look like...

But seriously, TPM actually had some amazing models, props and costumes.

That is shear awesomeness!

Always wondered what Biggs got up to at the academy.

(btw Go order 'Queen Rock Montreal'. One of the best Blu-Rays money can buy)

Thought Ewan's great Iggy Pop impression for VG could work well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HHUbFHInuE

also perhaps your song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmbXLt8IEH4

or even french horn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srr5VrovsUM

yet maybe Liam Neeson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibFpkUHvcYk

could use yoda selling out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbDy0xcxnw

Think I might do two versions of this fanedit. One with trad audio and one with temp tracks.

I've completed my work on the audio of the cantina scene. Click the image below to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14tLnOmcjJg

Some nice Ian McDiarmid dialogue here

TV's Frink said:

Well, that was painful...I'll admit I laughed, but I don't think I want to see it in the edit.

Yes probably wise, nobody should have to watch 'Star Wars: Kinect' more than once... or ever.

Leonardo said:

Ryan, I don't know if you've read this topic, I think it could be very useful

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-The-Temp-Track/topic/12014/

In regards to the cantina scene, I had done a rough "temp track" clip a while ago, it's on page 2. You might wanna take a look at it, mostly for the music.

That Benny Goodman track has potential.

fishmanlee said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

fishmanlee said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

I'm up to about 50 mins now. Begining to cut in the alternate cantina scene.

Anybody have a link to 7ish minutes of music that would fit in there?

Something like this? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGpY3pe3kMk

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S1I_ien6A

Bit too overused in a gazillion movies.

I fail to see the relevance.

You've got a point. I mean that music has strong images and feelings associated with it that don't gel with the sort-of-naff cheesy muzac feel the cantina should have.

The music is almost too good.

daneditor said:

 

On Star Wars Begins when they get to the Death Star his "That old man's mad" is hilarious.

Yes that is priceless. Hmmm good question about Chewie...

I'm thinking keep the growls. But I may change my mind.

SilverWook said:

When Obi Wan accesses the Jedi Temple security holograms, something random or inappropriate could appear?

You want a spoof of that scene, a spoof you shall get!

Felt inspired, I've uploaded it to Vimeo. Click the image to play...

fishmanlee said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

I'm up to about 50 mins now. Begining to cut in the alternate cantina scene.

Anybody have a link to 7ish minutes of music that would fit in there?

Something like this? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGpY3pe3kMk

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S1I_ien6A

Bit too overused in a gazillion movies. Great pieces of music.

thorr said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

(Just promise to buy a Doctor Who boxset or two to put some money into the fine coffers of the Beeb).

I bought the Superman Blu-ray set from Amazon in the U.K.  Does that count?  :-)

No, almost the oposite! Amazon operate in the UK while semi-fraudulently paying practically zero tax using an off-shore loophole, so we can all have cheap DVDs while Hospitals get closed down. But I'll send you the link anyway ;-)

Also the BBC's 'Kermode and Mayo's film reiews' podcast (On it's 12th year, highly reccomended for any film fanatics!) can be download at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/kermode

Has a JJ Interview and ST review this week.

I'm up to about 50 mins now. Begining to cut in the alternate cantina scene.

Anybody have a link to 7ish minutes of music that would fit in there?

Also I'm leaning towards keeping all the british accents in the cantina rough cut. Love the camp Greedo voice. What do you guys think?

Jaitea said:

Y'know watching that docu I was thinking....all JJ needs is a beard

J

Kinda like this?

Ask and ye shall recieve.

I've uploaded the BBC's 'The Magic Tricks of JJ Abrams - A Culture Show Special' tomega.co.nz

Private Message me if you live in the US and want a download link to this UK only show.

Hey, it's me. said:

Yeah it's a good interview. I like Kermode but its not very extensive. Just a brief history of JJ and what he's been up to the last 10 years. Star Wars is mentioned but not by JJ.

Yes more of an insight into his creative methods. His Bad Robot office sounds awesome!

thorr said:

wish I could see it, but it is blocked for me in the US

Sorry, but this kinda brings a smile to my face. I thought it was just Brits like me who got shafted over content. I pay my money to Netflix and only get a 10th of the content that US subscribers get.

It's a very good program with Mark Kermode presenting (aka "The good doctor", Britain's premier film critic and skiffle musician).  You've probably seen some of his documentaries on DVD extras about Aliens, The Devils, The Shawshank Redemption and The Exorcist.

I'll try and upload this JJ special somehow for US fans to watch (Just promise to buy a Doctor Who boxset or two to put some money into the fine coffers of the Beeb).

Leonardo said:

Is this hi res enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48x_gLYo2QI

I was thinking you could reverse it, so that instead of coming towards the screen, it recedes like the proper logo. Maybe matte out the "copyright 1976" thingy at the bottom.

Also,

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3Wlp4clLq4dRkQteXJGYXFXb28/edit

YES! Mucho hi res thanks, saved me the trouble of ripping. Already cut in as of a second ago. Plus I've keyed out the white from the black so it no longer has that fade into the crawl. They sit nicely on top of each other now.

I want a few imperfections in this thing (It's a workprint afterall). So I like that the idea that "When they originaly made this rough cut" they just spliced in the logo from the teaser (I have cropped out the legal bit though this time). Plus if I flipped it, it wouldn't explode in a satisfying shower of sparks at the end!

Also I've cut the suggested two shots from 2001 in. Wow they blend beautifully, thx again.

I've intercut and adjusted the shot lengths on the anchorhead woman. It's a bit better but the speeder doesn't gel like I want it to.

You sir are already on the credits list for this project.

KEEP THE SUGGESTIONS COMING FOLKS!!!

Leonardo said:

Glad I could be of help. I was interested in seeing this.
I noticed the SE Lucasfilm Logo under the old one during the fade out, you might wanna cover it with a black matte or something. Same thing for "A long time ago". I know you're just using the SE for the audio, just take out the video part or disable it. What software are you using to edit this?

Suggestion: the shot of the escape pod falling towards Tatooine could be replaced by a shot from "2001 A Space Odyssey". The framing seems very familiar.

I think the old woman (besides the voice acting*) could be intercut with footage of the speeder, like this:

1. footage of the woman walking, before turning around (there's roughly 4 seconds you can use)
2. brief cut to the speeder
3. footage of the woman reacting

 

*I'm currently listening to clips from the GTA games, maybe one of the pedestrians has a quote you can use.

Yes I'm aware of the SE Lucasfilm logo bleed through. Gonna fix that.

What shot is it from 2001? Quote me a time. Got it!

Problem with intercutting the anchorhead woman with the speeder is that the speeder footage isn't from anchorhead. Maybe if I could use a mos esiley approach shot instead that would intercut better.

Also need to get  higher res shot of the teaser SW logo.

Thx for the feedback.