I'd like to hear Jimmy Stewart's voice used to redub somebody in this or another Ridiculous OT edit. He's got such a special sounding tone, would be v funny.
^ Controversial I know ;-)
Tried 'Yub Nub' and it didn't transition from the pyre music as nicely. btw I like ending on an iris over the 3 ghosts, works a little better than the 'group photo' shot IMO.
It was SilverWook who raised the question of Vader's body not disapearing in another thread, so I thought I'd give it a shot. To really sell the idea, an FX skilled editor would need start Vader's body disapearing in the preceeding shot and add a subtle deflation of Vader's suit. So his chest sinks slightly like a final exhale of his soul. Much more tricky to achieve, but much more effective. Also more work on the music and sound FX would be needed (I just blended in Yoda's death music).
I'm of the opinion that all Jedi should disapearing when they 'Join' the force. I don't like the vague bullsh*t answer from ROTS, that Obi-Wan and Yoda are the only ones that could do it because Qui-Gon told them how to meditate better. Wonder what it would look like if Qui-Gon had disapeared from Kenobi's arms at the end of TPM. Would mean losing/drastically-altering the bizarre funeral scene where everybody stands around really close watching (And presumably listening/smelling) his body burn.
Here is an experiment I did to show Vader becoming a force ghost (A rough go anyway). Plus I've done a quick 4 minute mini-edit of his final scenes called...
'The Death Of Anakin Skywalker' ;-)
(^ Click image to play)
SilverWook said:
Interesting idea, but it would raise the question of why Luke is lugging an empty suit of armor up the shuttle ramp as the DS is about to blow.
One word "Closure". lol
I went ahead and did the Vader force ghost idea. Wrong thread for it, will post in general.
As a kid, I always visualy associated the uncloaked Black Riders from the 1978 LOTR with the partially de-helmeted Vader from the 1983 ROTJ death scene. Anybody else noticed how similar the look is?
(^ There are better example frames but I'm just gooling here)
Deliberate homage from Lucas to Bakshi?
SilverWook said:
Yeah, Hamlet being haunted by his dad was soooo lame. ;)
I presume what was left of Anakin vanished between Luke dragging him onto the shuttle and escaping the Death Star. Lucas said somewhere the armor was empty when Luke burns it. Had we seen the body vanish in the movie, that would have spoiled the ending a tad...
If it's the usual retcon by George, one can presume Ben and Yoda helped him cross over. Qui Gon didn't vanish either.
Hadn't thought about Vader not appearing to disapear, if you pardon the expression. The armour does look empty on the pyre now you mention it. If any FX savy editors are listening, I'd love to see a mockup version of the hanger bay scene where Vader's face disapears leaving just the armour. Just to see how it would play emotionaly.
I just assumed that the real reason Jedi's don't vanish in the PT was because George realised that they all needed to die and having hundreds of Jedi's all vanishing would look silly. It would've been like a bad FPS when all the corpses vanish 3 seconds after you shoot them. But then he never really explained it by the end of the PT. Just some throw away nonsense about Qui-Gon.
I don't think any force ghosts are needed in the ST as all the character arcs were all wrapped up in ROTJ. I always felt that when Luke gives them a contended smile in that last scene in the Ewok village, that it would be the last time they'd apear to him or anybody. Yoda, Ben and Anakin probably went to whatever the Jedi equivelant of the undying lands is ;-)
TV's Frink said:
-By popular demand, restored David pointing
Darth Lucas said:
DF Shadow said:
Serling1979 said:
Here's a thought: Deliverance banjo music on Dagobah. Right after Luke arrives on Dagobah.
LoL, not bad.
Might be cool if it's subtle and just something you barely hear somewhere in the background.
Or, have Kermit playing his banjo somewhere in the background the entire time.
Wow just darken he image slighty and add a blueish/brown tint and Kermit is on the dagobah set!
Finally got my cutlist done...
General changes include:
- Entire film recoloured/desaturated to be less cartoony/artificial
- All CGI Goffers removed
- Mutt's swordfight and vine-swinging retained but heavily recut
- Doom Town, Debriefing, University and Sanitorium scenes entirely removed
- All footage showing the beings as bug-eyed aliens removed (Plus flying saucer)
- Mac is a double agent, not a quadruple agent
- Emphasis on removing many long shots that either slow down the pace, show excessive scale or are just plagued by bad CGI
Specific changes include:
00.00.00 Added TM2YC Ident
00.00.08 Added oldskool Lucasfilm logo
00.00.24 CGI goffer replaced with new mountain matte painting
00.00.40 'Covenant Edition' title added
00.02.41 Magic checkpoint massacre removed (But hinted at)
00.04.35 Indy's "Drop Dead" line removed
00.04.39 Indy's "I'm sorry..." line removed
00.05.51 Indy looking at Spalko crosseyed and her flicking his hat removed
00.06.20 Spalko's magic powers removed
00.07.37 Mac's "West" line removed
00.07.59 First part of magnetic-gunpowder sequence removed
00.11.56 Mac's betrayal recut to be a surprise
00.12.33 Indy's "I like Ike" line removed
00.13.02 Indy now makes his first jump
00.13.10 Exploding CGI boxes reduced
00.15.02 More CGI goffers from Rocketsled sequence removed
00.15.18 Indy waking up shot reduced
00.15.31 Indy falling over removed
00.16.11 9 minute Doom Towm, Debriefing and University sequences entirely removed
00.16.19 Indy looking sad as he boards the train removed
00.17.13 Dialogue about Oxley being boring removed
00.17.54 Dialogue about other Crystal Skulls removed
00.22.15 Indy motorcycle sking removed
00.23.24 Closeup shot of Brody plaque removed
00.23.32 Rest of bike chase through library removed
00.23.40 Letter translation exposition reduced
00.25.40 Mention of Oxley being in a Sanitorium removed
00.26.54 Shot of Indy and Mutt entering the Sanitorium recut
00.26.57 Sanitorium sequence entirely removed
00.29.14 Indys "Part time" line removed
00.29.25 Mutt combing his hair and shaking removed
00.31.15 Dialogue refrencing Ox's cell and discussing skulls removed
00.31.25 Mutt's "You're going nowhere fast" line removed
00.32.29 Redundant dialogue about footprints removed
00.33.38 Knife swapping sequence removed
00.36.39 Discussion about returning the skull removed
00.40.04 Indy's "Come on?!" line removed
00.40.51 Removed explanation dialogue
00.41.12 Oxley dancing removed
00.44.17 Removed Indy face wobble
00.45.32 Removed Indy's goofy reaction to seeing Marion
00.46.17 End of arguement with Marion removed
00.47.19 Oxley's "Three times it drops" dialogue removed
00.49.34 Sinking into the sand shortened
00.49.51 Indy talking about quick sand removed
00.50.18 Discussion about Mutt shortened
00.50.51 All shots of snake removed
00.51.07 Indy's "Good work Ox" line removed
00.51.12 Start of long pan-out from Tractor removed
00.51.21 End of long pan-out from Tractor removed
00.53.11 Sound of Indy ripping his pants and Mutt saying "Oh shit!" removed
00.53.41 Long shot of Marion grinning removed
00.54.30 Two shots of bouncing saw removed
00.54.33 Shot of bouncing saw removed
00.54.42 Indy's "Pull up next to that duck" line removed
00.55.55 Indy telling Mutt to not be a child removed
00.57.35 Two long shots of Mutt dueling Spalko removed
00.57.46 Long shot of Mutt dueling Spalko removed
00.58.06 Mariion getting whacked by a branch removed
00.58.07 Mutt doing the splits sequence removed
00.58.11 Shot of Mutt doing the splits again removed
00.58.21 Spalko firing the jeep gun removed
00.58.24 Shot of Marion un-ducking removed
00.58.43 Marion grunting shortened
00.59.05 Shot of Mutt wobbling removed
00.59.19 Shots of Mutt and Indy noticing the vine removed
00.59.24 Four shots of Mutt having a long look at the Monkeys removed
00.59.28 Mutt beginning to swing brought forward
00.59.36 Long shot of canyon chase shortened
00.59.36 Mutt swinging shots shortened or removed
00.59.45 Long shot of canyon chase removed
00.59.47 Shot of Mac and another long shot removed to create new match cut
01.00.05 Second vine swinging sequence drastically shortened
01.00.21 Shots of monkeys attacking the jeep removed
01.00.27 Two shots of Monkeys still attacking shortened and removed
01.00.31 Monkey surviving and "Whoa" dialogue removed
01.00.39 Shots of Spalko's Jeep flying shortened
01.00.51 Shot of Spalko trembling about the ant removed
01.01.28 Shot of ants shortened
01.02.01 Marion driving the jeep near the cliff edge removed
01.02.28 Shot of ants crowding round Spalko removed
01.03.02 Indy being picked up by his ear and Ants climbing after Spalko removed
01.03.03 More fighting removed to make new match cut
01.03.35 Closeup of guy drowning in ants and two reaction shots removed
01.03.37 Two shots of the ants carrying his body removed
01.04.22 Long shot showing height of cliff removed
01.04.30 Shot of jeep leaping removed and next shot heavily cropped and shortened to reduce scale
01.04.44 All footage of springing tree and falling Russians removed
01.04.45 Next shot of jeep cropped closer
01.04.50 Shot of Spalko shortened to again reduce scale
01.04.55 Ox's "Three times it drops" line removed
01.05.07 All footage of 3 waterfalls recut and mixed up so there is just one now
01.05.21 Scramble ashore recut to remove catatonic Marion
01.05.26 Shot of Indy brought forward so he sees the next step first
01.05.33 Mutt's lines shortened and redubbed
01.05.36 Dialogue rehashing why the Skull must be returned removed
01.10.00 Shot of Spalko picking up a beacon removed
01.10.48 Circling round the obelisk and mention of Ox's cell removed
01.12.33 Long shot of chamber removed
01.14.05 Shot of Mac dropping a beacon removed
01.14.10 Shot of Spalko picking up a beacon removed
01.17.22 All footage of Mac's triple-cross removed
01.17.39 Spalko's dialogue and walk round the temple removed
01.19.01 Indy's "A big gift" line removed
01.20.43 Shot of space ship claw thing opening removed
01.22.14 Shot of Mac hanging on and Aliens merging removed
01.22.23 Two shts showing the Alien removed
01.22.25 Shot that showed the Alien shortened and cropped
01.23.33 All footage of the flying saucer removed
01.23.34 Shot of water washing away evidence cropped to remove Indy
01.23.36 Indy reaction shot used to breakup water footage
01.25.19 New credits sequence added with KOTCS CD soundtrack finale dubbed on
01.31.51 Recut wedding added as Marvel-style post credits sequence
01.31.53 Two running shots shortened and cropped to remove Jim Broadbent
01.31.54 Jim Broadbent's dialogue about the lettering removed
01.31.55 Shot of Jim Broadbent getting the bible shortened and cropped
01.32.21 Shot of Jim Broadbent and part of the wedding vows removed
01.32.30 Shot of Oxley cropped to remove Jim Broadbent
01.32.35 Shot of Oxley removed
01.32.41 Shot of Oxley removed and "Well done Henry" line redubbed
01.32.44 Shot of Mutt cropped to minimise Jim Broadbent
01.33.15 Fade to black before original credits role
FanEdit Length: 92 minutes
Original Film Length: 122 minutes
Time removed: 30 minutes
Major cuts: 122
I think the double line is a problem. "Qui-Gon would never join you" to "I will never join you" is not right.
"Qui-Gon would never join you and neither will I"
or
"Qui-Gon would never join you and I won't join you either"
Would be natural ways to express that sentiment, of course Obi-Wan doesn't say that ;-(
The disgusted way Obi-Wan says "Qui-Gon would never join you" implies the second statement anyway.
I don't think anybody would be thinking Obi-Wan would say...
"Qui-Gon would never join you but me I'm flexible"
SilverWook said:
Wouldn't a Samuel L Jackson movie where he's bald make slightly more sense? ;)
I don't think the argument "Wouldn't... make slightly more sense?" is fully applicable to a FanEdit with 'Ridiculousness' in the title lol
If you don't like B&W you don't like film. Colorized films can be fun though as an alternate viewing experience. 'It's A Wonderful' is done very well on the Blu-Ray but still not a patch on the original.
In the office when he quickly switches off the DS plans, how about he's actually watching the bit in Pulp Fiction where Jules and Vincent enter the apartment.
Almost like that's how he knows Sam Jackson has come meaning business.
Or Mace could catch him watching this Portman scene...
Yer he's paid his dues.
He only got an audition as Han Solo because they were being held at Coppola's place and he was working there as a Carpenter. Lucas felt bad, and gave him a shot. At that point he'd already done 10 or more films, including working for Lucas, Coppola and Antonioni.
If you were the Lucas family Doctor, when test results came back, it would be so tempting to stare at them in disbelief and go...
"The reading's off the chart...over twenty thousand!"
of course you'd immediately be fired and lose a lucrative client but I'd feel it was worth it.
Leonardo said:
Ric Olie said:
Leonardo said:
The guy on the right........ Ric Olié, is that you?? :D
Yes, actually. Like my beard?
It makes you look even more dashing, if that's even possible. Panaka must be either green with envy or swooning along with the rest of us. *siiiiigh*
Just make sure you always keep the beard neatly trimmed Ric, otherwise you just look like a tramp...
timdiggerm said:
Guys, guys, there is a whole thread in Off-Topic for this discussion.
True
But the title of thread includes the words "directed by J.J. Abrams" so discussion of the merits of JJ's Trek compared to old Trek are entirely valid IMO.
In the Opera House they could be watching...
The Emperor's New Groove Opening Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT4ySwoh27Q
or something from Annie musical
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_dBep_55mI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UIiT6ry6zQ
John Denver's 'Annie's Song'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkGS263lGsQ
or my favourite. Elvis covering Tony Joe White's 'Polk Salad Annie' from the 'That's The Way It Is' concert film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOzaVpgeHJg
Here is a VERY ROUGH test of the new version...
(^ Click image to play)
Visually it's more or less there but the audio is unmixed, untouched and incomplete, so bare that in mind. I also haven't touched the crawl yet. It features...
- 3 temp music tracks
- 10 deleted scenes and alternate shots
- A number of re-arranged shots
- B&W and film-aging filters throughout to try and match in the material and approximate the fabled workprint
Hope you all enjoy it.
You should give JJ's 2 new Treks a go, they're alot of fun. Plus you can be safe in the knowledge that since it takes place in an alternate time stream our old friends are still safe.
Most rate 'Voyage Home' very highly, not me. Sure in isolation it's a very funny lighthearted comedy, but a Star Trek film, I think not. Where is conflict between the characters, the dastardly villain, the agonising moral decisions and of course where are the thrilling space battles?
If ST's 2-4 where a standalone trilogy like the SW:OT, fans would be up in arms about STIV! Can you imagine if we'd walked into theatres in 1983 and discovered that after the epic build up in ANH and ESB, ROTJ had just been Han, Luke, Leia and co d*cking about in 1980s San Francisco and saving some Whales?
btw Would love to see Shatner's much longer cut of ST5 before the studio ripped it apart.
To be fair he's already adopted 3 kids. People are living longer these days and what was considered old is now like middle age. If they were both 69 it would be an issue but she's only 44.
Interesting idea I've had since noticing that the Alderaan is the Capital of the Universe in the comic.
Would have been a cool PT idea if Alderaan was once the planet where the Republic Royal Family lived (Princess Leia being the latest in the line). For generation's they ruled in Peace as nominal heads of state with the Republic Senate alongside. Kinda like ancient Rome.
When the Emperor took over he moved his capital to his home planet, like Stalin building Stalingrad. He deposed the Galactic Royal Family but left them inplace on Alderaan, not then having the strength and support from all the systems to have them openly killed.
So it would be entirely natural that come ANH with the old Senate finally swept away, that he would use the Death Star to crush his old enemies. As far as I recall, there's nothing in the OT to contradict this idea. In which case I might start belieaving that Leia is the "Once and Future (Queen)" of the universe, in my own personnal imagination ;-)
JJ's STID named worst ST film ever in convention vote...
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/star-trek-into-darkness-named--worst-star-trek-film--073112668.html
Quote "Doesn't bode well for Star Wars, does it?"
Here's the rankings in full:
13. 'Star Trek Into Darkness'
12. 'Star Trek V: The Final Frontier'
11. 'Star Trek Insurrection'
10. 'Star Trek Nemesis'
9. 'Star Trek: The Motion Picture'
8. 'Star Trek Generations'
7. 'Galaxy Quest'
6. 'Star Trek'
5. 'Star Trek: The Search For Spock'
4. 'Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home'
3. 'Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country'
2. 'Star Trek: First Contact'
1. 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan'
WTF SERIOUSLY!?!?
These people clearly need to watch these films again (ST5 is underated, so is Insurrection but something has to come bottom) Not naming the abortion that is Nemesis as worst is madness. Ranking Galaxy Quest in there is great though and the top 3 is spot on. If anybody is interested (I'm guessing not lol) then here is my ordering...
01. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
02. Star Trek: First Contact
03. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
04. tar Trek: The Search For Spock
05. Star Trek
06. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
07. Star Trek Insurrection
08. Star Trek Into Darkness
09. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
10. Star Trek Generations
11. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
12. Star Trek Nemesis
^ Thanks. Anybody know a good program/tool etc to remove low level music?
For the loud stuff I'm gonna have to create a new soundtrack. But a quick fix on the scenes with only trace music would be handy.
I've decided to scrap the work-in-progress on this one and start fresh. I've become dis-satisfied with the look of it and the poor quality of some of the source video. From here on in I'm wanting it as close to HD as possible.
This time I am...
- Scaling back some of the harsh contrast (From the last version)
- Leaving the original aspect ratio intact
- Inserting the deleted material where and when I feel is best (Rather than as the draft script dictates, as that didn't really work)
- Cutting it all visually first with no regard to sound
- Then constructing an FX track with no music (Somehow) *
- Then creating a music track from the rumoured temp music *
- Blend that all together
- Release that version
- Only then start work on replacing the visual FX shots
(*I may swap the order of these two stages as the music will be way more fun lol)
