I was thinking more after the ground staff had been evacuated, but any idea goes for how they actually destroy the station. I was just throwing around ideas š
Ohhhhh, that makes more sense.
I really like your idea about different cells of the Rebellion, perhaps the cell we see in your edit could be the infamous āOuter Rim Alliesā from TLJ? I also agree that a few more ships in the fleet shots wouldnāt hurt.
But I think The Executor crashing into Endor seems a bit odd. The Rebels destroy the Empireās largest shipā¦so that it can kill their friends when it crashes? I dunno, that just seems kind of off. That being said, every other idea youāve suggested has been fantastic, and Iām really excited to see the full film.
The biggest continuity error between TFA and TLJ is the placement of Kyloās scar. In TFA itās across his nose, and in TLJ itās in a totally different spot. It would take some serious FX work for a small error, but the scar is only present in a few shots in TFA. Iād be intersted in seeing how this is tackled.
A minor continuity error I noticed is when Poe is speaking with Holdo for the first time. She says āItās commander right? Wasnāt it Leiaās last official act of command to demote you? For your Dreadnought plan?ā, but that wasnāt Leiaās last official act of command. Right before the bridge explodes she orders The Raddus to stay out of range of the First Orderās barrage and to have maximum rear shields or something like that. I know it could be explained that Holdo just forgot, but the order thatās keeping everyone alive seems like a pretty massive point to forget.
I think you can leave most of Canto Bight intact (with some small trims here and there), and even leave Rose and Finn in the stable discovering the Fathiers and the kids, however right after all of the creatures escape and rush out of the stable, and one of the kid whoops, cut to Finn and Rose running through the fields on the Fathier. You still keep most everything from the original cut in, just remove all of the excessive chase. This can also work geographically, since a stable and prison being next to an upper class casino doesnāt make much sense.
Great work! U-Wings seem to have a blue engine glow from what Iāve seen.
I hope that shot with hammerhead isnāt final. It looks like it could be from classic Battlefront. Come on, man, you can do better than this. In regard to the other ending fleet shot, thereās something off about how static the foreground is. Maybe give it some flashing lights or something.
There are ways you can give feedback without sounding like this.
Thatās some great work! Iām useless to you for any technical knowledge, just keep doing what youāre doing.
Thanks! It always bothers me just a tad when we see new ships introduced in material that takes place before the OT. But now with the hammerhead, and any potential U-Wings, things are looking great!
Also, re: the ending. I donāt really see any merit in swapping the order of scenes, especially since up to this point every film has had a final scene without any (English) dialogue.
Every film has also had an ending involving the main characters š
Leia only has 15 seconds of screen time in Rogue One, sheās no main character.
Any thoughts on having U-Wings in the Rebel fleet?
Only issue with the deleted scene is that IIRC, you can tell that Luke is inside his hut during the daytime and not at night which is the time that his scene telling how he contemplated killing Ben was taking place at.
I thought of this too, itās far from perfect, but when we cut back to Ach-Tu after Lukeās duel with Kylo, itās sunset. Then again, with your proposed edit of moving Yodaās scene to after Kylo declares himself Supreme Leader (which is a terrific idea by the way), the Yoda scene is at nighttime. Iāll have to think about this some more.
The thing I enjoy most about TLJ is just how many ways there are to interpret the decisions of characters and how they interact. TFA and Rogue One felt extremely plot focused and there was a large consensus of what to cut, which boiled down to some jokes and the Rathtar scene, (with the exception of Halās excellent Restructured edit, which felt outside the box). With TLJ, thereās a ton going on and tons of ways to completely change entire subplots and characters. Itāll be super interesting to see where edits take this movie.
Itās really interesting to see just how much The Last Jedi changed in the editing room, some of the deleted scenes feel like theyāre from a different film, many with setups and payoffs purely contained to the deleted scenes themselves (Finn going to āWhere he belongsā). Obviously this happens with every movie, but considering how much deleted stuff weāre seeing from TLJ (20 minutes!), as well as the extensive documentary, itās a super fascinating look into the production of the film, and makes me appreciate the final product even more.
Because that wasnāt the transition when the scene was still in the movie - it didnāt cut to Leia for one shot, then back. It cut to Leia and then followed the Resistance plot for a bit (with the Finn/Poe jacket scene, then the demotion scene).
Johnson said the Luke scene was a casualty of restructuring that portion of the film in post production - originally there was a lot more cutting back and forth between Ahch-To and the Resistance plotlines, but eventually they decided to stick with each plot for longer stretches of time.
Another example of this is the prison escape and fathier chase - the moment when it pans down to the manhole they escaped from in prison directly to the manhole they emerge from in the fathier stable? Johnson said in the commentary that that was an edit point where they would have transitioned back to Luke and Rey with an optical wipe.
Including a lot of the deleted scenes will require more restructuring than people seem to realize, I think, as several of them seem to have been casualties of reorganizing the footage in editing and wonāt fit back into place without some more reshuffling.
I do like your idea of moving the Lukeās Moment scene though, thatās something I might have to play with myself.
Interesting, I have yet to listen to Rian Johnsonās commentary yet, so Iām hearing all of this for the first time now, but it makes sense, and Iām glad we get longer stretches spent with certain characters and subplots before jumping back to others. I agree that the deleted scenes will require some reshuffling, it seems like a lot of the donāt just fill in nicely.
One idea Iāve been thinking about for the past few days is to push the āLukeās Momentā deleted scene all the way to the point where Rey leaves Ach-Tu. I think that a lot of the issue people took with Lukeās characterization in TLJ was due to how bitter and dismissive he seemed. Obviously he ends up being the Luke Skywalker everybody loves, but we never really see that transition take place. Heās constantly bitter for 90 minutes, has the scene with Yoda, and then is suddenly the hero everybody has dreamt of. But if you move him having a moment in his hut to the point where Rey confronts him about how he turned Ben to the dark side, itās a lot more meaningful.
I think that the intent of the deleted scene was to show his reaction to Hanās death, but it doesnāt come off that way. The sequence of events is āWhereās Hanā < Kylo talking to Snoke < Kylo breaking his mask in the elevator < Rey telling Luke he needs to return < Luke Has A Moment. It doesnāt really fit. But if you have that deleted scene right after Luke talks about how he nearly killed Ben Solo, it takes on an entirely new meaning. Youād have to cut his brief fight with Rey, so that he seems much more defeated than furious, as well a few of his earlier lines. Some other cuts would be needed to accommodate for this of course, but I think that it could work.
It would also get rid of cutting to Leia in hyperspace for one shot only, and then immediately back to Rey and Luke, and there seems to be no clear consensus on how to approach this transition. With the change Iām thinking of, the sequence of events would be:
Luke tells Rey the truth and Rey leaves < Finn and Rose in Hyperspace with DJ < Poe finding out about Holdoās plan < Rey being dropped off at Snokeās Star Destroyer < Luke has a moment < Rey and Kylo in the elevator < Some antics while sneaking around Snokeās ship < Luke communicating with Leia via The Force < Poeās Mutiny. Then everything else is in the same order as the theatrical cut until Kylo declares himself Supreme Leader. After that moment we get Luke and Yodaās scene. Obviously these are all just ideas floating around my head, and Iām sure once you actually sit down to edit the film, things will be different, but the general idea still stands.
This thread is just incredible to read.
Because the first edit worked out so well the first timeā¦
In canon, I donāt think Wookiees were used as slave labor for the first Death Star.
It goes like this:
- Geonosians had the design, which they may or may not have created (at the very least they modified it).
- The Republic stole the designs during the Battle of Geonosians.
- A secret Republic war council authorized building it because they were convinced Count Dooku was building his own with another copy of the designs.
- Orson Krennic was assigned to oversee the project (at least eventually).
- Krennic knows that they need a Kyber expert to make it work and recruits Galen Erso, his old college buddy. Erso is not told of the nature of the work, just that itās about providing more efficient energy for the Galaxy.
- The Empire happens, and work continues. Geonosians are used as slave labor. They rebel and their world is sterilized in retaliation.
- Erso figures out whatās really going on and escapes with his wife and daughter with the help of Saw Gererra.
- Work stalls, Tarkin is assigned to oversee the project. Krennic is still in charge of the engineering aspect, Tarkin is basically his supervisor.
- Rogue One happens.
I think thatās it, but itās been a while since I read Catalyst, so I may have gotten a couple things wrong. Might check Wookieepedia later and make some corrections.
Interesting, I havenāt read Catalyst yet, so I wasnāt clear on some of this. Thanks for clearing it up.
There are canon explanations of these things in novels and such, but it does seem like the Death Starās origins are a bit convuluted. So the Geonosians had plans for it, and then the Republic built it, and then the Wookiees built it, and then Galen Erso took over duties, and then Tarkin did?
I really like using The Jedi Steps when Luke walks out. I do think a bit of rescoring there would be nice, but I also think using the Burning Homestead track would fit super well. Iāve been thinking of using it there for a while, just havenāt actually implemented it.
Iāve thought of cutting the Luke and r2d2 scene. Any thoughts on that?
No way, that was by far the best scene in the entire movie.
Ditto. These sound super interesting.
If you were making Starkiller Base the climax off your two-parter like some have mentioned in the TLJ Ideas thread, you can cut from Han and Chewie boarding the Falcon, to the arrrival on Dāqar. Finn and Rey are never seen on screen together on Dāqar, so youād need some clever editing.
This sounds interestingā¦
Iāll add that I think you can cut The Force Awakens down by almost entirely cutting out the stop at Maz Kanataās castle.