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Post: #208601
Topic: Original Trilogy DVD FAQ (Unofficial)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208601/action/topic#208601
Time: 11-May-2006 1:36 PM

The colors in the OT always were "washed out". The LDs are much closer to the theatrical color than the 04 DVDs (and most of the transfers) which boosted the saturation.

Post: #208593
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208593/action/topic#208593
Time: 11-May-2006 1:19 PM

Awesome.

Post: #208590
Topic: Info: The "OFFICIAL" audio mixes of the Original Trilogy - Help needed.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208590/action/topic#208590
Time: 11-May-2006 1:16 PM

We're only getting one mix on the new OUT discs, so which one should it be? We know it's a 2.0 track and I sincerely doubt it will be a new mix (or even a mixdown of the 6 track mix). That leaves the '77, '85 & '93 mixes as possibilities. Should it be the '77 for authenticity, even though it leaves out some good stuff that's in the mono mix? Or the '85 as the best compromise between the '77 mixes? Both of these make sense to me and it's a tough choice. I can't see a good case for the '93 mix, but I fear that's the most likely choice.

Post: #208551
Topic: How "original" do you think it is going to be...? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208551/action/topic#208551
Time: 11-May-2006 11:14 AM

Okay, so I'm not holding my breath on the Rancor. I sincerely doubt they'll be recomping for this release - at best it will be the same as '97. I'd still like to hear a report on '83 vs '97, though, if anyone has both handy.

Post: #208549
Topic: FS: Han Shot First T-shirts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208549/action/topic#208549
Time: 11-May-2006 11:07 AM

Well, Dave Prowse was Anakin first, from a certain point of view.

Post: #208547
Topic: Info: The "OFFICIAL" audio mixes of the Original Trilogy - Help needed.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208547/action/topic#208547
Time: 11-May-2006 11:04 AM

I know what you mean about the over-analysing. Let's hope the new release will give us the chance to just watch it. Having said that, WookieeGroomer has two soundtracks on each, which makes it useful for the kind of comparisons you gave above.

Post: #208543
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208543/action/topic#208543
Time: 11-May-2006 10:59 AM

Like I said before, I think this is the best fan made project ever. The only niggling thing to me was the use of the '04 discs (I think somebody else mentioned it earlier in the thread too). It's not a big deal, but it would make your film perfect.

Post: #208445
Topic: Original Trilogy DVD my ideas
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208445/action/topic#208445
Time: 11-May-2006 12:18 AM

It's a rum and coconut drink.

http://www.minibottleclub.com/images/sale%20bottles/malibu.jpg

Pretty rough - even without froot loops in it.

Post: #208437
Topic: What to do with the SE discs from the OT DVD sets...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208437/action/topic#208437
Time: 11-May-2006 12:10 AM

I hear the TB and GKar versions are good - check out galactictradefederation.com for more info.

Post: #208430
Topic: Info: The "OFFICIAL" audio mixes of the Original Trilogy - Help needed.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208430/action/topic#208430
Time: 11-May-2006 12:06 AM

Do you have the WookieeGroomer set?

Post: #208428
Topic: John William's Opinion on the Special Editions
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208428/action/topic#208428
Time: 11-May-2006 12:05 AM

Think of it this way - you'll have a widescreen TV sooner or later and the FS will look silly on it.

Post: #208426
Topic: How "original" do you think it is going to be...? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208426/action/topic#208426
Time: 11-May-2006 12:01 AM

I don't have the '97 SE so I can't check - can you confirm that, Gaff?

You're probably right: I remember talk of recomping the snowspeeders, but then there are still garbage mattes in the space stuff on the '04 discs, right? So I guess the rancor could have been left bad for the '97 SE.

Post: #208421
Topic: How "original" do you think it is going to be...? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208421/action/topic#208421
Time: 10-May-2006 11:58 PM

To be honest I haven't watched the '97 SE since '97 so I don't remember - I thought it was all recomposited - is it not?

Post: #208405
Topic: Original Trilogy DVD FAQ (Unofficial)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208405/action/topic#208405
Time: 10-May-2006 11:46 PM

Well, since this is the link thread, I like this one

Post: #208390
Topic: How "original" do you think it is going to be...? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208390/action/topic#208390
Time: 10-May-2006 11:21 PM

The main problem with the rancor scene is not the matte lines as much as the contrast ratios which are really different and really show it to be a composite. This is an easy fix with digital compositing. We don't know what the source is yet, of course. I don't even know if there is a cleaned up and recomposited interpositive that was used as a starting point for the SE. AFAIK, the new composites could have been added along with the new scenes and effects all in one step. However, if it exists, then the rancor scene will look like the '97 version, which is an improvement (technically, IMHO

) on the original (did I really just say that?).

Post: #208385
Topic: John William's Opinion on the Special Editions
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208385/action/topic#208385
Time: 10-May-2006 11:01 PM

1.85:1 is how they were shown in theaters, so if you want the original theatrical experience...

Post: #208382
Topic: Info: The "OFFICIAL" audio mixes of the Original Trilogy - Help needed.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208382/action/topic#208382
Time: 10-May-2006 10:50 PM

Thanks, h_h, I always enjoy this kind of close analysis.

Post: #208322
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208322/action/topic#208322
Time: 10-May-2006 7:29 PM

Jambe - I don't suppose you'd consider redoing this with the forthcoming OOT DVD as the primary source?

Post: #208316
Topic: How "original" do you think it is going to be...? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208316/action/topic#208316
Time: 10-May-2006 6:57 PM

I'll take the line over the SE any day. I was really following on from speculation in another thread here about the likely source for the new DVDs. It's possible that that source could have been recomposited before the SE elements were added. If that is the case, it will still be the best available OOT DVD.

Post: #208310
Topic: The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208310/action/topic#208310
Time: 10-May-2006 6:50 PM

Right - I was talking about what hairy_hen describes above, not the removed and unreplaced cues (although IIRC, Building Empire features those also).

Post: #208253
Topic: Info: The "OFFICIAL" audio mixes of the Original Trilogy - Help needed.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208253/action/topic#208253
Time: 10-May-2006 3:04 PM

Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
(2) 1977 70mm Six-Track Dolby Stereo (the 1993 is believed to have been sourced primarily from this. The EditDroid disc used Ben Burtt's 1985 re-mix, believing it to be the original mix)

Post: #208247
Topic: How "original" do you think it is going to be...? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208247/action/topic#208247
Time: 10-May-2006 2:58 PM

Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Nothing has to be done to it. No editing and re-editing, no color matching, no sound re-recording, no computer generated alterations, no added music, no teams of technicians, no story changes, no specialty packaging, nothing.
I agree with you here, which is why I opened my last post by saying I think the untouched version should be the one released.
The moment a single change is made, it's no longer original and shouldn't be referred to as such.

However, by this rationale, you would not be able to watch Star Wars on home video at all, you'd have to get a 35mm or 70mm projector and a print, as the process of transferring to video inherently includes "changes". The "original" didn't have NTSC (or PAL or any other video standard) resolution. Different formats reveal the compositing more or less than each other - it is much more visible on video than on prints, for example. I am not trying to be obtuse about this - I'm just saying that there is no hard definition of "original" and one draws the line arbitrarily, to some extent. I support the release of a wholly untinkered transfer, as I said. I just meant that new compositing (of the original '77 elements only) wouldn't bother me.

Post: #208230
Topic: The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208230/action/topic#208230
Time: 10-May-2006 2:11 PM

AFAIK, some cues were used in the 70mm that don't appear in the 35mm, where they were replaced with repeated cues from elsewhere in the score. See Building Empire for more info and to hear the 70mm versions.

Post: #208229
Topic: Soundtrack for Star Wars OOT DVD?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208229/action/topic#208229
Time: 10-May-2006 2:05 PM

The official starwars.com announcement mentions Dolby 2.0 Surround sound, which is decoded into 4 channels as described by Moth3r, above. However, it does not specify AC3 encoding and AFAIK, does not rule out the possibility of a PCM soundtrack (although it's unlikely given the AC3 2.0 tracks on the '04 release). Perhaps Neil or Moth3r can set me straight here if I'm wrong.

Post: #208211
Topic: How "original" do you think it is going to be...? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/208211/action/topic#208211
Time: 10-May-2006 1:20 PM

In the interests of all concerned, I think it would be best if the forthcoming release is the Gaffer Tape style originals, matte lines and all. That way, the uber-purists like Gaff will be happy, and everyone else can persuade Darth Editous to do a cleaned-up effects version.

However, I think there is a clear difference between improved digital compositing and the other SE changes. No-one wanted garbage mattes to be visible in '77 and removing them does not constitute a change in the same way the other SE additions do. It would just be using modern technology to acheive the effect that really was originally intended. If the '06 editions are original in every other way but have better compositing, I will be perfectly happy.