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#213102
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Lucasfilm lunch hour
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I just want to lay out a different way to look at it, based on what I have read in and between the lines. This is purely my speculation and is not intended to suggest inside knowledge.

Imagine that there are people working at Lucasfilm who have the best interests of the Original Trilogy at heart. They want to see the movies given not only the best possible home video release, but also fully restored theatrical treatment. Let's call two of these people "Jim Ward" and "John Singh" for the sake of argument...

INT. LUCASFILM WATER COOLER - DAY

JIM: We've got to get the Original Unaltered Trilogy restored to its former glory.

JOHN: Yeah, but how? You know George will never agree to it. He wants the Special Editions to be the ONLY editions.

JIM: I'll just march into his office and tell him we need to do it, for the sake of history.

JOHN: You wanna get fired?

JIM: Well, what do you suggest?

John looks over his shoulders to make sure no-one is listening in, then leans in and whispers into Jim's ear.

CUT TO:

INT. GEORGE LUCAS'S OFFICE - DAY

JIM: George, I've got a great idea - let's release the Original Unaltered Trilogy on DVD.

GEORGE: Ha ha ha ha ha. Okay, so do you really have an idea or not?

JIM: I'm serious. Did you see how many people signed that petition at originaltrilogy.com?

GEORGE: Original what? Look, Jim, you know we pulled the negs apart for the SE, do you have any idea what it would cost to do the necessary restoration? And you know I don't want those versions out there.

JIM: It doesn't have to cost a dime. We can just make them from the '93 video masters.

GEORGE: Are you crazy? They're not even anamorphic! No-one releases letterboxed discs these days. Anyway, I don't want people buying them and thinking they own Star Wars. The Special Edition IS Star Wars. Don't forget that.

JIM: That's right, which is why we'll package them as bonus discs with the SE. That way it will be clear that the (ahem) enhanced edition is the one, true Star Wars.

GEORGE: Well, I don't know...

JIM: And we'll be able to get sales from a sector we haven't reached with the SE discs.

GEORGE: Sales?

CUT TO:

INT. LUCASFILM WATER COOLER - DAY

JIM: John, you're a genius. It happened just the way you said it would. Consider yourself promoted: I'm making you an official spokesman.

JOHN: Thanks Jim, but remember this is only Phase 1. When this thing sells like hot cakes, we have ammunition for the HD restoration.

JIM: The fans are gonna love us, we'll go down in history. I can't wait to log in to originaltrilogy.com after I make the announcement...
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#213078
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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andy_k_250 - there's already an email/letter/call campaign being spearheaded by The Bizzle in General Star Wars Discussion (too many threads to link them all) that you might be interested in.

As far as already having 72,000 signatures, I'm not so sure:
Originally posted by: Jay in the original originaltrilogy.com petition
Perhaps a Limited Edition run of the original films along with a Special Edition release would be in order... Your devoted fans would more than likely purchase both an Original Trilogy release as well as any Special Edition versions.
It seems like this request has been met (albeit not to everyone's satisfaction).
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#212662
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New DVDs NOT 16x9
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It's great that this story is getting into more "mainstream" places, but I think the inaccuracies confuse the issue:
"The prints for the Sept. 12 DVDs..." There are no prints involved in this process. The DVDs will be created from a video master.
"...come from laserdiscs of the films released in the mid ’90s."
Although the video master was used to make laserdiscs (and VHS tapes), the DVDs will not in any way come from laserdiscs."...will bow in their original film composition, not in the more cinematic anamorphic widescreen transfer."
The composition is not at issue. The DVDs will be presented in widescreen. The complaints are about the fact that it will be "letterboxed" widescreen, rather than "anamorphic" widescreen.

Edit: I contacted the writer of this article, politely pointing out these technical inaccuracies and it has been updated to remove the last of the three.
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#212649
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New DVDs NOT 16x9
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Here is that link. And here is the article in full:

Originally posted by: Susanne Ault on videobusiness.com
In the wake of extreme fan protests, Lucasfilm is positioning its release of the original ’70s theatrical versions of the first three Star Wars movies as bonus features.

As groused about on various DVD enthusiast Web sites, including www.thedigitalbits.com and www.hometheaterforum.com, Lucasfilm confirmed the studio is not remastering these early films. The prints for the Sept. 12 DVDs of Star Wars: Episode IV—A New Hope, Star Wars: Episode V—The Empire Strikes Back and Star Wars: Episode VI—Return of the Jedi come from laserdiscs of the films released in the mid ’90s. This means that Episodes IV-V1 will bow in their original film composition, not in the more cinematic anamorphic widescreen transfer.

Lucasfilm acknowledges that some imperfections are embedded in the prints, but director of publicity John Singh said the company felt there was little need to invest resources into sprucing up films that have already been restored to pristine form.

Special edition versions of the films with additions made by George Lucas were released in theaters in the ’90s and on DVD in 2004.

“We put a lot of time and effort into digitally restoring the negatives for the 2004 DVD releases,” Singh said. “The late ’90s theatrical versions represent George’s vision for Star Wars. We hoped that by releasing the original movies as a bonus disc, it would be a way to give the fans something that is fun. We certainly didn’t want to be become a source of frustration for fans.”

Although the prints aren’t in the best of shape, the masters used for the laserdiscs “do look good,” Singh assured.

Both old and new versions of Episodes IV-VI will be included in the Sept. 14 Star Wars sets, to be distributed by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment. The revamped ’90s theatrical versions will be offered in widescreen.

This release also represents the first time the movies will be available individually.

Fans have threatened to boycott buying the original Star Wars films if they aren’t cleaned up.

“These are the versions that the fans saw as kids back in the ’70s—this was how they grew up,” said Ron Epstein, HomeTheaterForum.com co-owner. “George doesn’t like these versions, and it’s not the way he wants his legacy to be remembered. But fans [are saying], ‘You aren’t doing us a favor [in putting out] what basically amounts to a laserdisc transfer.”

Aware of the uproar, Lucasfilm is in the process of directly contacting its upset fan base in an attempt to smooth things over.

Some fans had been speculating that Lucasfilm was saving its big gun efforts for the new generation DVD formats. But the company said that at this time, there are no plans to release the original ’70s Star Wars versions in high-definition.

“We absolutely appreciate the fact that these fans are so passionate,” Singh said. “It’s indicative of the fact that they care so much about Star Wars.”
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#212645
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Film elements for the OT
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Originally posted by: Torsten Kaiser at Home Theater Forum
While a D2 (composite) master tape most likely was the source for the Laserdisc mastering itself, the transfer master and the final master was actually (as far as I know) a component digital D1 tape. Another option would have been Ampex' DCT. Both are very much comparable to the Digital Betacam format. Because of its 4:2:2 component properties, D1 actually is able to capture detail and resolution that the 4:2:0 DVD format because of the way of compression can't even show. For one, the Datarate is with 148 Mbit/s far higher than the 10.88 Mbit/s of DVD. So its not the tape itself that one needs to worry about.

What is a much more a factor is the telecine that was used. Transfers made with the RANK MarkIII pale in comparison with the SPIRIT Datacine or the Millenium II, where the image is dramatically more detailed, allows for much finer texture to register naturally and color depth to be captured without bleeding, while keeping inaccuracies to a minimum. The RANK, while good for its time, had many problems, especially when it came to displaying the greyscale and density accurately. The DVNR 1000 by Digital Vision also added a lot of artifacts whenever there was movement in a shot, and (as Jim Vaccaro said already) it also robbed the image of detail along with the grain, that SW producers so desperately tried to get rid of (also a problem of the RANK telecine, by the way, because grain was often displayed as artifact).
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#212590
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Film elements for the OT
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Originally posted by: THX in PRESERVATION AND FAN EDITS >STAR WARS RELEASES AND ONGOING PROJECTS

This post from home theater forum summarises the key issues discussed above about the state of the negatives and restoration work.
Originally posted by: Davis in GENERAL STAR WARS DISCUSSION>HOLD ON a second...

In the September 1993 issue of Widescreen Review, THX Technical Supervisor Dave Schnuelle describes the process of making the Definitive Collection Laserdiscs. Here are some comments from the interview:

"In this case, for all three films, we used interpositive elements that had been made directly from the camera negative. Other film transfers might be done from internegatives made from the interpositive, or from low-contrast prints, but we preferred the IP's for these transfers, because that's the earliest generation usable"

"One small difference from the original films is that in letterbox transfers we prefer to put any subtitles in the black border beneath the actual picture area. Thus we didn't use the same interpositive as the theatrical one, because that one contains subtitling already. In tracking down the elements, we found that the only ones in the vault were ones with subtitles- these clearly weren't the first generation off the camera neg because they had to have the subtitles burned in. So a massive search was undertaken and the first generation IP's were found in a special vault having only opticals in Los Angeles."

"A Mark IIIC with a 4:2:2 digital output [telecine] was used."

"[We used] a noise reduction and dirt concealment device made by Digital Vision, a company in Sweden. Their DVNR-1000 is a very powerful noise reducer for reducing film grain. Especially on the two earlier movies the film grain was very high."