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#218349
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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Originally posted by: Zottig
Originally posted by: THX
Yes, they could, but they would be making things worse for the vast majority of consumers, who will be watching on 4:3 TVs. By the time HD 16:9 is standard, all SD discs will be outdated, whether letterboxed or anamorphic. Given the source, the letterbox release will actually be better for most people during its lifetime.
This shows a simple misunderstanding of how DVD and more importantly anamorphic DVD works. There is no downside for anamorphic. If you have your DVD player set properly you will not notice a difference on standard TVs.
This shows a simple misunderstanding of my post. There is a downside for anamorphic when it is scaled from a letterboxed source and then rescaled for viewing on a 4:3 TV.
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#215461
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Idea: Personalized preservation possible with September 2006 OT DVD's
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Yes and no. Theoretically, frame counts should be the same across both formats regardless of fps, as the '04 discs should be encoded progressively. However, the OUT discs may well be interlaced (at least for NTSC) so the video frame counts would quickly mismatch. But either way, you'll need separate patches, due to resolution and audio differences.
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#215377
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Can someone clear something up for me? Are laserdisc masters a film source or some sort of analog magnetic tape? If it's still on film, can't they scan it at a higher resolution and digitally resize it to anamorphic like the rest of us do? In the case of these masters, they are digital video tape. If film were being used, it would certainly be scanned at a higher resolution and the DVD would be anamorphic rather than letterboxed (if wishes were horses).
Originally posted by: boba feta
And what of the DVNR? Will it be as bad as what's in evidence on the Laserdiscs?
This is what concerns me. It all depends whether the DVNR was applied during telecine or at a subsequent mastering stage. Either is possible. We have to hope for the latter.Originally posted by: zombie84
I'm sure the quality will be acceptably watchable for SD television owners. However, "Acceptable for SD" is not what DVD is designed for.
DVD is an SD format, so I'm pretty sure that's what it was designed for.
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#215327
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Another way Lucas is screwing us! (re the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/215327/action/topic#215327
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know DVDs are better than Laserdiscs, but DVDs do have some problems in comparison to it (such as a lack of true analogue motion blur). Therefore, we'll have the already-present Laserdisc deficiencies being further compounded by DVD deficiencies.
Once again, the DVDs are made from Digital Tape masters, which were used to make Laserdiscs (and VHS tapes). They are not made from Laserdiscs (or VHS tapes). They will thus not contain any "Laserdisc deficiencies" (or "VHS deficiencies").

But having any kind of video game trailer on there still sucks.
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#215324
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/215324/action/topic#215324
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Originally posted by: vbangle
Originally posted by: boris
Just because its non-anamorphic doesn't mean it'll be laser-disc quality.
What? You are not making much sense..... Most laserdiscs were "non-anamorphic"! (for the most part anyway) So I have no idea what you meant by your statment....
I'm gonna have to go with boris on this one. All VHS tapes were non-anamorphic but that doesn't mean it'll be VHS quality either. Anamorphic vs. letterbox has nothing to do with Laserdisc. The digital tape masters which these DVDs are made from have nothing to do with Laserdisc either.
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#214890
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Idea: Personalized preservation possible with September 2006 OT DVD's
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Matching the OUT scenes to the SE will indeed require less re-encoding but there are two drawbacks to that plan:
1) the OUT segments will start at a lower resolution; they will be color-corrected, scaled and then re-encoded - while making the color and delivery resolution match, this will make the OUT video quality even lower, while retaining the high video quality of the SE, so the two sources will simply mismatch in a different way;
2) the purpose of the exercise is presumably to recreate the OUT as accurately as possible with available materials, but the SE('04) colors are totally inaccurate, so matching them doesn't make sense.
Some forum members who might be of assistance to you: tellan, DarthEditous, ADigitalMan, mverta.
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#214833
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Idea: Personalized preservation possible with September 2006 OT DVD's
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Sounds like you're putting a lot of work into this, calamari, which is great. I think you might run into problems matching the video quality of the two sets, though. As you know, the SE set has been extensively "restored" which has resulted in an image that wouldn't match even a true anamorphic transfer of the OUT. If you want to avoid the kind of mismatch problems ocp had, you're going to have to run the OUT sections longer than just patches (i.e. whole scenes). And even with that, you'll have to do extensive color/gamma correction on the SE scenes to get them close to the OUT look, which will mean re-encoding. Add to that the re-encoding required for the OUT scenes due to the fanamorphization and I wonder if the end result will be better than just watching the OUT disc. Don't get me wrong, I wish you every success and I think your approach is a good one in principal, which could be useful far beyond its initial inspiration. I look forward to seeing the results.