SwissArmyTin

I was reading through Mr. Scott’s Guide to the Enterprise earlier since why not, and found this pic of the shuttlebay to be quite odd:

http://i.imgur.com/5v2zbNn.png

The caption is quite on point, there’s a shuttle in the lower hangar. I don’t recall ever seeing that there before, and yep, it’s not in the final matte painting in the movie:

http://i.imgur.com/CWInYSs.png

Now I was curious to see if there was another picture out there that included the shuttle, and found this:

http://68.media.tumblr.com/3de2126efe5b5ff6c574000941b460b1/tumblr_n3n2y7N3Zf1rzu2xzo1_1280.jpg

Two things:

1. This looks quite close to the final compositing in the movie, but the shuttle’s there and the lower hangar deck is now red, while in the final, it’s missing and the deck is blue.
2. The compositing looks miles better than the final movie.

http://i.imgur.com/QpwLDxf.png

How the hell? The final looks like the entire shot is as flat as a painting, I guess they DNR’d the scenes with matte paintings to hell and back to get a more consistent look, but christ does it look bad in comparison.

The rabbit hole doesn’t end there, I also stumbled upon a few other pictures of the set during production.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/c8ef8c575ffa217ec04a0d782a8dc053/tumblr_mvbeceV7DJ1rzu2xzo1_1280.jpg

This one shows that they originally built an entire wall of container pods, which looks similar to how (dubiously canon) sources depict the opposite side of the bay. Also take note of the second floor on the far wall. No pods, just beams and railings.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2b6f88ff6aa6181ca736d18b401d7995/tumblr_mvbecwZ7qs1rzu2xzo1_1280.jpg

And then there’s this pic which shows off the entire set from the bottom floor.

Good god. I had no idea they actually built that much of the set. The ceiling and most of the walls were completely covered up by the matte paintings! It even looks like they painted out the turbolift shaft pillars.

It’s easier to understand why the wall of pods in the back were painted out, so they can insert the shuttlebay in it’s entirety, but why go messing with 70% of the rest of the set?

I swear, I love the Motion Picture to death and find it’s production history to be an absolutely fascinating train wreck, but it’s pointless little decisions like these that baffle the fuck out of me. It’s also a tad depressing that such beautiful sets such as this, the Rec deck, airlocks, and Officer’s Lounge were torn down, never to be seen again in any of the films. Heck, in III, you only get to see around four of the Enterprise sets total (technically five, if you count the Excelsior’s captain’s quarters seen for 10 seconds).

Edit: Replaced the wiki links to imgur since they seemed to screw up. Also, found the color version of the picture in Mr. Scott’s Guide: https://68.media.tumblr.com/b241a3a28027846e37367d085961c236/tumblr_msn0c2ZSaw1rzu2xzo1_500.jpg

I have no life

Maybe they’ll announce a theatrical re-release of ANH for the 40th or something. If that’s the case, my money would be on it just being a new SE transfer.

Jedit: whoops, seems this was already touched on in the 4k thread. Sorry for being redundant.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I doubt I’ll ever understand Rogue One hate.

Some people will just blindly hate anything not the OT and make up believable reasons to justify their beliefs.

Though when people start taking those who have some legitimate gripes with the film that don’t exactly enjoy it all that much and group them in with the ‘haters’, that I’ll never understand.

Discovery’s development cycle makes Phase II’s sound like a walk in the park by comparison.

After how the colors in his approved Aliens transfer turned out, I’d be a little worried about Abyss. Well, at least it’d give the guys in the Other Preservations board something to play with.

NFBisms said:

I get that we’re on a forum called OriginalTrilogy, but we can favor the OT without bearing more of that toxic ill will or disrespect towards anyone else who thinks differently. If we want to put it in perspective, “pro-prequels” are more likely to be younger, and at a point you’re really just shit-talking kids. Way to go, champs.

Kids who grew up seeing the prequels in theaters when they were like 8 or 9 are in their mid-20s now.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Also worth noting: VHS lets you fall asleep to a movie without waking you up with loud menus.

Unless your VCR has an auto-power down timer, then you’ll have your ears blasted off by either static or late-night PBS

Possessed said:

If they made 1080p vhs I’d totally watch it. Pipe it through my digital projector and it’d be almost like watching a film for movies that only have squeaky clean digital masters.

D-VHS is digital 1080i on tape, so yeah, there’s that. Not many films were released on it, though.

yotsuya said:

And no one should have to read the book to understand the movie.

Idk, I always found reading novelizations to be just a part of exploring the story of a movie. I feel like shooting myself for constantly bringing up Trek, but the since novelizations of Trek films were based more off earlier scripts, they contained more info and goodies than what was left in the final films. Also, The Final Frontier’s adaptation practically saved that burning wreck of a film for me. Reading it plants more ideas, concepts, and details in your head so re-watching the film with the added knowledge just adds to the experience.

I’ve been arguing with a dude on YouTube who genuinely believes VHS is better than DVDs and Blurays (says they look unnatural, over detailed and VHS is grainier and much more atmospheric, how films from the 80s were supposed to look).

I genuinely thoroughly want to die.

chyron8472 said:

So the Trek franchise needs new fans. Enter JJ Abrams, who says he injected some feeling of Star Wars into Star Trek. Great. Sure. Fantastic.

But the Kelvin Timeline (aka JJverse) events don’t overwrite the Prime Universe. In Star Trek, anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities. Therefore, both universes exist, and JJ didn’t ruin it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzUEu7Gb7Cg

Hoo boy, I’m going to regret bringing this out of the Star Trek general thread. The way JJ handled the first two new Trek films were pretty damn bad. The first one was mostly harmless, just general action schlocky and all that. Into Darkness was just such a fucking abysmal, vapid, soulless, derivative cash-grab it was genuinely offensive. Beyond was fairly decent and at least tried to be original and respectful of the original source, something Into Darkness cannot claim in a million years. JJ didn’t ruin Trek or the original universe, but he surely squandered it and everything it gave him.

JEDIT: You just wait until Star Trek: Discovery comes out. Fans are going to come out in droves saying it sucks because reasons.

Lol, you don’t even need to wait 'till it comes out. Literally everything that peeks it’s head out from behind the production office’s doors is being shit on in droves. Not because it’s new or different. Because it looks like absolute hot garbage.

Echo3 said:

SwissArmyTin said:

Has Flight of the Navigator been released in HD anywhere outside of Europe yet? I know they got a Blu-Ray release from Second Sight…also, how is that transfer? I’ve heard their (region-locked) release of the Super Mario Bros. Movie was superb.

Flight of the Navigator [Blu-ray] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0097A2LTW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Jqi2yb2251FZ2

Oh, so the Second Sight is region-free. I’m a dummy. Thanks!

Er, Alien’s DC wasn’t the greatest imo. Then again, I don’t think that was a project Ridley wanted to do to begin with, and it’s kind of an impossible task to improve perfection.

Alderaan said:

SwissArmyTin said:
Sooooo Frink pointing out hypocrisy is harassment, but slinging threats of moderation action and banning him isn’t?

…ok

Alderaan said:

Consider this–especially that last sentence–your friendly warning.

I asked him to stop harassing me across multiple unrelated threads. He chose to ignore my request, or apologize, or simply move on. Instead he did the typical Frink thing, which was try and get in the last word, and threaten me instead.

I’ve seen the other threads, it boils down to this: you threadcrap, spew obscenities or overall pure negativity towards a topic (9 times out of 10 in the wrong thread), he quotes you threadcrapping and quotes the time you said you’d never threadcrap or be negative again, then you blow up on him. Hardly harassment on his part.

this is the last post of mine on this topic

lol, alright. inb4 frink starts spam quoting this every time you pop in

Sooooo Frink pointing out hypocrisy is harassment, but slinging threats of moderation action and banning him isn’t?

…ok

Oh man, those Tarkin frames look incredible.

Fang Zei said:

Search for Spock might be the first movie (in general I mean, not just Trek) that I can clearly remember watching. It was 1990 and I would have been five years old, was at West Coast Video with my mom and she must have randomly picked it off the shelf to rent.

Watched it, loved it, was hooked from there on out. Rented the other movies, even rented Encounter at Farpoint and the uncut The Cage that goes black-and-white during certain scenes. TNG became appointment television every week. Saw TUC in the theater and was blown away. Didn’t even get into Star Wars until around '92 or so, but I knew of them as Bart would say.

What I remember finding out very early on was that ILM worked not only on Star Wars but also several of the Trek films. It felt very cool to realize these two franchises shared that connection.

Oh, and thank you for bringing up Oberth class, SwissArmyTin. I was going crazy back in September trying to remember the name of it without looking it up first.

I live and breathe the Tech Manuals. Ship classes, designs, and layouts are one of my favorite parts of Trek to be honest.

Oh, speaking of that black-and-white version of The Cage, I don’t own the Bluray or DVD of TOS, just a handful of the 80s-run VHS tapes, including that version of The Cage. It has a really neat featurette at the beginning with Roddenberry himself walking along the dimly-lit sets of the Enterprise (circa III). It ended with him in Engineering, which I believe was the last time that set was filmed on before meddling by the TNG crew. Total shame, as that configuration of the set has always been my favorite.

SilverWook said:

Some of Ebert’s reviews can be mind boggling, (especially viewed from the distance of time) but I don’t think he was taking anything under the table. He often went against the grain on movies that were ultimately very popular, or otherwise well received by other critics.

IIRC, he bashed Alien upon release, but a decade or two later he went back and started singing it’s praises. Ebert was just weird.

It’d hard for me to rank the films, but The Search for Spock is really up there for me. It gets bashed way harder than it deserves, as it’s a perfect sequel and really packs a wallop when seen right after Khan. From a technical aspect, it introduced so much to the Star Trek universe. Earth Spacedock, the Excelsior class, Oberth class, the idea of Transwarp, the Klingon Bird-of-Prey, and the special effects to go along with it were all top-notch. The Enterprise destruction is still the second most powerful scene in all of Star Trek to me, first being Spock’s death and funeral, third being the sign-off sequence at the end of The Undiscovered Country. It’s a shame it gets overlooked by a lot of people who buy into the whole ‘odd-numbered Trek films are bad’ thing.

Man, this is some low-quality bait, but screw it.

Sure, Disney, a multi-billion dollar company, would use some shitty script kiddy comment bot from over a year ago to spam YouTube’s comments with…something.

Also, now I could be wrong here, but a commenter can’t block other comments from public view. Either the commenter closed replies for their comment (and you wouldn’t be able to reply to them), or you said something the uploader blacklisted for the comments. (Yes, YouTube uploaders can add certain words to a blacklist that automatically hides comments that contain said words).

From the way I’d see it, it’s like if you go to Star Tours or whatever at Disney World, start screaming like an autist at every living being that approaches you, don’t be surprised when security kicks you out. This isn’t some kind of grand conspiracy.

SilverWook said:

The ABC cut of TSFS was an edited for tv massacre. Uhura’s scene with Mr. Adventure in the transporter room was sliced to the bone, as were other character moments that make the film. ABC would hardly air extra footage after cramming it into a two hour timeslot with commericals.

You’re forgetting the biggest crime, in the very beginning. Cut from Spock’s casket on Genesis and the main titles straight to the Klingon freighter scene, omitting the entire opening monologue by Kirk during the Enterprise’s limp home.

One thing I’ve always wondered is how the ABC cut for III could’ve been. I know II’s cut was essentially a testbed for the director’s edition, though it still had extra new footage left out of later releases (i.e., Kirk and Spock’s discussion after the opening simulation, where it’s revealed Saavik is half-Romulan). From what I’ve remember, wasn’t the network’s schedule nuked and III was rushed onto TV instead of giving them time to assemble a new cut?

I also wonder if there’s a copy of III’s ABC cut out there in decent shape. The only copy I have is a rough transfer from a beat-up VHS tape I found in storage, and it’s really hard to sit through.

They also had a fleet of snow plows out after that massive winter storm up north

Seriously though, it’s a straight-up legit rip of Rogue One, currently watching it. First time viewing of this film…on a porn site. What a wonderful world we live in.

SilverWook said:

Why would you watch a movie rip on a porno site?

Who needs the porn when you got watermelon eating tutorials, 80s music videos, and freakin’ Star Wars, all in one place and for free?

fuckin lol

and it’s not even a joke. two of 'em currently up