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#1065217
Topic
Celebration 2017 Speculation
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Alderaan said:

SwissArmyTin said:

Alderaan said:

What time does the OOT nonsense speculation finally end? Is there a cut-off?

Okay, you say the speculation of an OOT announcement is “nonsense”, then ask if it will stop. What am I supposed to take out of this other than you being tired and irritated with the speculation of a release announcement in an event’s speculation thread?

I clarified in the subsequent post in case it wasn’t clear. Is there a make or break moment during this carnival that everyone who is anticipating the OOT is waiting for? At what point during the celebration do people stop and think, damnit, they aren’t releasing the OOT?

lovelikewinter said:

When Kennedy specifically says its not happening.

oojason said:

When we get an official release of the OOT I imagine 😉

(I’d love there to be one, I imagine most on here would too, but I’m good with the Harmy DeSpecialized Editions - and the great work going on with the 35mm prints on here too.)

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

It can end whenever you want. Just sign out.

crissrudd4554 said:

The moment you finally realize you have no power at all to get people to stop speculating about it. None.

Fang Zei said:

There is no “make or break moment.”

How quickly we forget that the GOUT was announced out-of-the-blue in early May of 2006, about as far away from a convention as you can get.

Take your pick.

nickyd47 said:

Now, since Celebration 2017 is hours away, let us please get back on topic

I concur. Best case scenario: OOT. Worst case: No OT at all. Most likely scenario: TLJ trailer, SE re-release (either theatrically or a new bluray set)

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#1065202
Topic
Celebration 2017 Speculation
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Alderaan said:

It’s pretty obvious. The thread title says “Celebration 2017 Speculation”. I asked a question about Celebration 2017 speculation. I then had three people, including the thread owner, and yourself, ask why I would ask a question about Celebration 2017 Speculation, in a thread called Celebration 2017 Speculation.

Is English not your first language?

Is it yours? It seems you had no trouble reading the title, but you weren’t able to read the actual discussion. You knew darn well what you asked was out of aggravation and spite of the topic and the people in here, and that it would do nothing but provoke them.

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#1065156
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Man, I hate [[The Force Awakens]] ! It’s such a bad movie! Oh wait, here’s a movie website with some of the most notoriously toxic users on the planet, and there’s a bunch of bad reviews! This supports my opinion that the movie is terrible! What’s that? The average conglomerated review score is fairly decent and doesn’t reflect my hand-picked stack of reviews? No, that’s wrong! It’s a bad movie! Disney shilled those reviews! Nobody but an idiot could actually like that film! Here’s my million-page list of reasons the movie sucks! Prove me wrong! /s

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#1063963
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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Gah, looking back I feel like a total dolt. Every time I mention UHD I mean HDR. HDR seems more like a gimmic because most of the time (at least from the demos I’ve seen in stores) it just looks like someone boosted the everloving shit out of the contrast and it’s always looked a little eugh. UHD, from my understanding, means practically nothing more than just 4k.
How on earth do I keep getting these confused

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#1063613
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
Time

UHD seems like a bit of a gimmic to me, but I can understand the appeal of 4k in general. It’s just still a tad too expensive right now for most people to upgrade to a 4K TV and 4K blu-ray player. Heck, I didn’t jump on the Blu-ray bandwagon until around 2012 when player prices started falling under $100 a piece.

It’s just such a shame streaming is slowly edging out physical releases. Video quality (and audio, in some cases) just isn’t up to par yet with physical media, at least from what I’ve seen on Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube. Internet speeds can absolutely nuke any and all enjoyment from watching a film the second it starts stuttering and buffering, then crushing the resolution down to 360p until it catches back up for 1080p.

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#1063610
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

yotsuya said:

SwissArmyTin said:

yotsuya said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

“How quick the the Empire find the Falcon after it blasted off from Mos Eisley?”

The second they dropped out of hyperspace in the rubbled remains of Aldeeran since the Death Star was still right there.

Three Star Destroyers converged on them over Tatooine forcing Han to make the jump as soon as possible (from Tatooine to Alderaan). If they wouldn’t have jumped they would have been caught.

Well, they did have a ton troops on the ground that were tipped off on the ship and even exchanged gunfire, so it’d be pretty easy for the Star Destroyers to converge on a tiny freighter blasting out of Mos Eisley. On Jakku, they flew all over the place and destroyed the only fighters chasing them, so I’ll give the writers the benefit of the doubt here and assume they (for once) used the idea of space actually being 3D, with the Falcon taking off from the opposite side of the planet than the Star Destroyer.

“The First Order should have known the moment the Tie Fighters were shot down and known exactly where they were on the surface. From there it is easy to track them down. Unless they are incompetent. They aren’t incompetent in the rest of the film.”

Okay…so…if the tie fighters chased them, yeah, the First Order would’ve known where they were on the planet. Alright, so they could’ve been able to track them on the planet. Now, it’s been a while since I’ve seen TFA, but after the dogfight with the TIE fighters, didn’t the Falcon leave the planet and jump to hyperspace? So, your previous argument was that the Falcon was able to escape every time they jumped to hyperspace, now you’re criticizing the First Order’s ability to not track the Falcon after jumping the hyperspace? I’m so confused right now.

No, they don’t jump to hyperspace. That is my point. The Falcon is seen majestically flying off in sublight (no trace of a hyperspace effect). The following dialog just confirms that they did not jump to hyperspace. Rey has never plotted a hyperspace jump before (she’s never been off planet before). She’s no dummy so she probably could have, but where to? It is a huge hole when you think about it. Part of it would be solved if the Falcon did go to hyperspace and then the engine malfunction made it drop out, but then Finn doesn’t need to mention getting out of the system because they would be already by the time he says that. So add in a hyperspace jump and remove a couple of lines and the scene would make a lot more sense.

Yeah, Lord Haseo already corrected me on this and I completely retract that final paragraph. I seriously wonder why they didn’t to hyperspace, it’s not even that big of an effect shot to insert and it would’ve completely solved a small plot hole.

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#1063447
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
Time

Alderaan said:

DominicCobb said:

R2 looks like shit for almost the entirety of his screentime in that film.

SwissArmyTin said:

R2 looks like shit for the entirety of both AotC and RotS. Heck, even the physical prop in TPM looked wonky as for some reason they decided to make his dome matte instead of glossy and reflective.

The fact R2 is even in that movie (not film) is shit.

Seriously, fuck those movies.

Honestly, R2 in the TPM doesn’t really bother me. It’s an interesting and kinda plausible backstory, so eh. II and III go way overboard, so yeah, screw 'em.

Now 3PO, on the other hand…his entire involvement in the prequels is a bit more offensive.

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#1063348
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

yotsuya said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

How quick the the Empire find the Falcon after it blasted off from Mos Eisley?

The second they dropped out of hyperspace in the rubbled remains of Aldeeran since the Death Star was still right there.

How did it get away?

Jumped into hyperspace?

How quick did the Star Destroyers find the Falcon after it blasted off from Hoth? How did it get away?

Pretty damn quick since the Falcon never went to hyperspace and it didn’t get away. It was being chased to hell and back before Han goes balls crazy and lands inside an asteroid field, where Star Destroyers can’t go.

In both cases they knew precisely where on the planet they had been.

Well sure, it’d be pretty easy considering they had troops searching for the droids in Mos Eisley, had an informant tip them off that they were on the Falcon, saw it blast off after a confrontation and exchange of fire, so it was pretty easy to tell where it was on Tatooine and identify it when it conveniently popped out of hyperspace right in front of the Death Star. While on the Death Star, a tracking device was planted onboard so the Empire was able to follow them to Yavin IV, hyperspace be damned.

For Empire’s case, of course they knew the Falcon was on Hoth and exactly where it was. They were staging a direct ground assault on the Rebel base, so what a big surprise a notorious rebel ship would be among the rebel fleet.

When the Falcon escapes the space slug, the net has been woven well enough that a single Star Destroyer almost gets them except Han does the unexpected and attached to the Star Destroyer itself (in an out of the way place for sensors and patrolling ships).

Except…they didn’t escape all willy-nilly. After evading the star destroyer, they were followed by Boba Fett, who tipped off the Empire who then set up a trap on Cloud City.

The First Order should have known the moment the Tie Fighters were shot down and known exactly where they were on the surface. From there it is easy to track them down. Unless they are incompetent. They aren’t incompetent in the rest of the film.

Okay…so…if the tie fighters chased them, yeah, the First Order would’ve known where they were on the planet. Alright, so they could’ve been able to track them on the planet. Now, it’s been a while since I’ve seen TFA, but after the dogfight with the TIE fighters, didn’t the Falcon leave the planet and jump to hyperspace? So, your previous argument was that the Falcon was able to escape every time they jumped to hyperspace, now you’re criticizing the First Order’s ability to not track the Falcon after jumping the hyperspace? I’m so confused right now.

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#1063298
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

SwissArmyTin said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

Well, I could be wrong here, but the Rebels had multiple ships and were armed, while Finn and Rey were stuck in an old junker that they didn’t even know could run or not.

Also, in general, Star Wars seems to forget that space is in 3D, so like, the Imperial fleet is only facing one side of the planet in that pic…why don’t they just take off from the other side and jump from there?

[HEADCANON ALERT]

While normal space is 3D, hyperspace isn’t; it’s more like a network of conduits, and the opening to the conduit they need access to to make it to their specific destination happens to reside right where the Imperials are in the way.

Rebels must be infuriating to that headcanon since they make jumps to hyperspace right through gaps in massive Imperial fleets ((DURING BATTLE)) multiple times.

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#1063246
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

Well, I could be wrong here, but the Rebels had multiple ships and were armed, while Finn and Rey were stuck in an old junker that they didn’t even know could run or not.

Also, in general, Star Wars seems to forget that space is in 3D, so like, the Imperial fleet is only facing one side of the planet in that pic…why don’t they just take off from the other side and jump from there?

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#1062978
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

SilverWook said:

I know the Phase II Enterprise ended up hanging at a Planet Hollywood restaurant, but what became of the other tv miniatures?

I think they only used the molds for the nacelles on the Planet Hollywood models.

Edit:
Hmm…

Nacelles are definitely from the original molds, though slightly modified. Also uses the Phase II shuttlebay doors, but I can’t tell if that’s a sloppy paint job or they plugged the original docking port under the Starfleet insignia on the secondary hull. Everything else seems to be about right for a (albeit hokey) TMP replica.

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#1062697
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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FanFiltration said:


It was at this time that the changes had been made to the bridge, the navigation dome, and forward sensor array. Mark Stetson says that because of these changes the model had to be re-painted and that Paul Olsen was hired back to supervise that. More lighting was also added.

Interestingly, I found another promo shot of the model taken around the time of this picture (as it’s missing the deflector dish array), this time used on the cover of some trivia book I keep in a basket for bathroom reading:

Few points of interest:

  • Old bridge dome
  • TOS-style sensor dome
  • no deflector dish
  • old-style torpedo launcher
  • seemingly complete lighting and paint job

Someone should interview as many of the original model makers as they can and write a book. Maybe with a week-by-week breakdown of the history and construction of this model as I swear no two pictures before filming have the model in the same state.

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#1062374
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

FanFiltration said:

SwissArmyTin said:
I have no life

Great observations! I’ve always loved this area of the production and also spend hours pouring over books like Mr. Scott’s Guide. If you are really interested in knowing the extent they went to during the production of that movie, pick up the following books.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjQ4WDUwNA==/z/GsgAAOSwstxVEdZ8/$_35.JPG

This has been the most in depth look at TMP’s production that I have ever found. It’s essential to anyone who enjoys film making.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/2/24/Making_of_ST_TMP.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/270?cb=20060305075857&path-prefix=en
In depth production information and another must have.

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.oZAuTmbeXV7SCIiC8agbXACwEs&pid=15.1
Not as essential but still an enjoyable (yet filtered) look at what on-set life was like.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6VPzVlB8N28/SupHGY0spSI/AAAAAAAABUY/vAXY6cjKQHk/w1200-h630-p-k-nu/TREKLOSTYEARS.JPG
Contains information about the aborted second T.V. series that became TMP.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100119195932/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/1/1c/PhaseIIbook_cover.jpg/500px-PhaseIIbook_cover.jpg
Another book about the aborted second T.V. series that became TMP. This one has great un-used on-set photos and story treatments.

Huh, some of those are fairly hard to find and kinda on the pricey side. I’m curious, how in-depth do some of them go (mainly the first one) on the model making of the film? There’s one particular point of contention that’s piqued my interest lately, and that’s of the main Enterprise model itself.

In this pic, you can see the unfinished and unpainted model being test fit for the spacedock model:

It still has the TOS-styled sensor dome, an earlier and later scraped torpedo launcher design (as seen in this concept art: http://i.imgur.com/DuFFE8Z.png), but everything else is identical with the final model, even the nacelles and cut-out panels on the underside of the saucer.

That leads straight into this next picture, which to most is just looks like a normal promotional image of the final model:

However, this is where it gets interesting. Look at the bridge dome and the B/C deck assembly. It still uses the TOS-style dome and deck, with an added docking port on the rear and windows for the crew lounge (as seen in the upper-left concept art: http://i.imgur.com/kFzYMhB.png). If you look really hard, you can even see the copious amount of pin striping (the rings around the inner saucer, in-line with the phaser banks, around the warp grills on the nacelles, along the outer edge of the saucer, in-line with the thrusters, and along various places on the secondary hull).

The part that’s up for debate is what caused the pin striping to be removed and the bridge dome to be replaced. One popular theory is the Air conditioner leak, where water dripped on the model, and the bridge assembly, being made of wood, warped and cracked, and was replaced with the new design by Probert. The model was then repainted.
Another theory is that when Douglas Trumbull signed onto the SFX team, he wanted to convert the model to use a self-illumination style of lighting, so the bridge dome (and the TOS-style sensor dome) were redesigned and replaced with ones containing floodlights to help illuminate the saucer. After that was finished, then the A/C leak occurred, forcing the model to be repainted (and the pin stripes removed).

However, there’s this picture:

The model clearly has the new bridge dome and B/C deck assembly, but still has the pin striping (look at the inner saucer) and the registry is missing. The arrowhead insignia is also missing from the secondary hull, so it’s obvious the model is in the middle of a re-paint, but was this before or after the a/c accident? If it’s before the a/c accident, why is the registry missing? It was clearly applied in the earlier promo test picture. If it’s after the a/c accident, then why are the pin stripes still there, and when was the dome replaced? It’s an odd beast that neither confirms or denies either theory.

It’s all a confusing mess with multiple conflicting accounts from crew members, articles, and books, and it seems nobody’s ever been able to get it straight.

Edit:

He said a set of the decals were tested and looked great, then peeled off when the painters went to work doing the pearlescent paintjob.

Source

now I’m even more conflicted.