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#53702
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/53702/action/topic#53702
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Originally posted by: Necrioth
Hey guys. I've been downloading the OT on bittorrent, and I have all 3 movies, and 86.3% of the supplemental material, and it's stalled. All the seeders have gone. Could anyone who has this please reseed for a while? I'd greatly appreciate it.

There are only 4 peers on the network with no seeders at all.

Thanks for your help.


I'm seeding the supplemental material now (and for anyone else interested, I'm also seeding the three movies).
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#53676
Topic
Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/53676/action/topic#53676
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Even if those places were under the control of the Empire, they wouldn't be celebrating anyway. First of all, the Return of the Jedi Special Edition ending implies that the celebrations are all happening the same day. There's no way that even news that big would be able to get to all those places as fast as it did. Second of all, even though the Empire's ultimate weapon and two biggest bad guys were destroyed, it doesn't mean that all of the Imperial troops all across the galaxy magically dropped dead like the droids did in Episode I. Just because the Empire's main sources of power are gone doesn't mean the troops died. They'd still be around and able to control those places and I honestly don't see why everyone would be celebrating, unless they managed to kill all of those remaining troops after hearing the news. And besides, Death Star II isn't the only place where the Empire is stationed. There are obviously other bases around the galaxy and even if Death Star II was the only one, the Empire would still be spread out around the galaxy and it would take a lot of time to get rid of all the remaining Imperial troops.

And even if the celebrations were just for the destruction of Death Star II and not the end of the Empire, there'd be no reason not to have similar celebrations for the destruction of Death Star I. After all, the first Death Star had been completed and had actually blown up a planet and would've destroyed the Rebel Base if it hadn't exploded a few seconds earlier. It was a much bigger threat than Death Star II, which didn't even get completed and only destroyed a few rebel cruisers.

Sorry, but the Return of the Jedi Special Edition celebration ending just doesn't make sense and is really pointless, since the various planets wouldn't have total freedom yet.
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#53443
Topic
Mark Hamill in Ireland Online Interview
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/53443/action/topic#53443
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Originally posted by: jimbo
How can any Star Wars fan hate the man who created Star Wars?


Because they hate what he's doing with the movies now. Personally, I don't hate Lucas at all, in fact based on the interviews of him I've seen he looks like a pretty nice guy. But I just hate what he's doing with the movies ("improving" the originals and refusing to make the original versions available).

And I have to disagree about Lucas being better now than in 1977. I like the prequels, but I just consider them pretty good and not awesome. The only Star Wars movie that Lucas directed that I think of as awesome is the original Star Wars from 1977, when Lucas was at his best (remember, he didn't direct Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi).
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#52726
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52726/action/topic#52726
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Originally posted by: Death Star
TR47 totally cannot compare with the real DVD from EndorForest.com, because the DVD from EndorForest is a state of the art masterpiece. The DVD has been printed (stamp) by the same machine which produce the SE version, some of you who didn't know about it, for your info, most of the DVD released in the States were printed in Asia. That is how the movie industry stay alive during the economic crisis. Cut cost.... cut cost.... that is how they can still make money, if it were to be printed in US, I think the it won't cost you the price you can buy it.

"Next target wil be you on the planet earth"


Get out of here, endorforest! We know it's you. Nobody's going to buy your crappy sets if you spam the forums like this (not that anyone was actually gonna buy them in the first place, since you've already spammed the forums once). Can someone please ban this guy again?
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#52633
Topic
Star Wars DVDs selling fast
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52633/action/topic#52633
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Originally posted by: Endor Forest
The Original Trilogy has been available in DVD format.
They are in dual layer DVD and in widescreen format.
They are transferred from the Definitive Collection LD.
Only $29.99 per set at www.endorforest.com.


Dude, STOP spamming the forums! Nobody's gonna buy your crappy little sets if you keep doing this!

Can someone ban this guy, please?
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#52394
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CNN HEADLINE NEWS
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52394/action/topic#52394
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Of course he does, Jimbo. None of us are arguing that point. But there is a difference. If I continue to work on a painting that no one has seen for years and years and completely alter it, it doesn't make a difference because nobody but I have ever seen the thing. With Lucas, millions and millions of people have watched the original versions of his movies so they are part of the public consciousness. We are more than aware of their existence. In fact, many of us prefer them. So, he can change them all he wants, but he should keep copies of the originals out there for us as well. If I had ever displayed that painting of mine for people to see, I would feel obligated to keep copies of my original work out there before I alter it. It's just the decent thing to do for those people who made you the multibillionaire that you are (not that I am one... I can wish).


Thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to say. Jimbo, it doesn't matter if an artist paints a painting or whatever and then goes back later and changes it. The problem is when that painting has been around for a long time and is considered a classic and has been extremely influential in the way that paintings are painted and is part of art history and then the artist goes back and makes a bunch of changes and refuses to keep copies of the original version. The painting, the original, influential, classic one, is no longer existing. It's been removed and it's place in art history has been taken away. This exactly what's happening to Star Wars.

Again, the problem is not that George Lucas wants to go back and change the movies, it's that he's taking the original versions, which are the classic, influential versions that are a big part of movie history and evolution, and gotten rid of them. He changed a lot of stuff around and then refused to let any more copies of the originals - which, again, are considered classics, had a huge influence on the way movies are made and are a big part of movie history and evolution - be made anymore. He's trying to rewrite history now by trying it to make it seem like the Special Editions are the only versions of Star Wars that ever existed. If the originals aren't ever made to the public again, future generations and film fans will think that this was how Star Wars was made, they'll never see the original, un-CGI'd versions and see how technology and effects have evolved since then.

As I said before, these movies need to be made available, even if just for historical purposes. There should really be a "film archive" or "film museum" or something like that, that would make sure that once a movie is released, that original version that's released is always going to be available so that even if the creator wants to change it, the original version won't be removed entirely from existence (and this should be especially for hugely influential and classic movies).
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#52366
Topic
CNN HEADLINE NEWS
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52366/action/topic#52366
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The problem isn't that Lucas is changing the movies, it's that he's attempting to remove the original versions completely, by making the Special Editions are the only versions available. He's denying the original versions their place in time and existence. He's trying to make it as if they never existed. He's trying to pretend that the Special Editions have always been around. If it were up to him, all the original versions would probably be destroyed and the Special Editions would be the only versions anybody's allowed to see.

He refuses to let the original versions have the treatment they deserve by only releasing the Special Editions. They really need to be released, so that in the future, film fans can see the original versions the way they were made. If they can only watch the Special Editions, they'll think that this was how Star Wars originally came out, that this was the original version. Without the originals, future generations will never be able to see how great, classic and (most importantly) extremely influential movies like Star Wars were created without the ease of CGI and modern day digital technology.

These movies need to be made available in their original versions, if only just for historical purposes.
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#52155
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52155/action/topic#52155
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
First of all, thank you for wanting to seed ROTJ.

I use Torrentstorm as my torrent downloader client. In it, I just open the torrent file in it. If it is completed, it automatically seeds it.

For bittorrent, I'm not sure how. I would try opening the torrent file in whatever client you used, and if it's completed it should automatically start seeding it.

Thank you for wanting to seed ROTJ, as it is loading the slowest of the three on my computer at a pathetic 2 KB/s.


EDIT: Ironically enough, I was the one who posted the link to torrentbox at the officail site.


Okay, thanks I got it working. I'm seeding the file now and it's uploading at about 50kB/s (if only it had downloaded that fast!)
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#52146
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52146/action/topic#52146
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I finally finished downloading the Return of the Jedi torrent from torrentbox.com today. Now I have all three original trilogy episodes on my computer. My question is, how do I seed the file? I've heard people talking about it and all, but I'm relatively new to torrents (in fact I only started using them less than a month ago so I could download the original trilogy when someone on the official Star Wars message boards posted a link to torrentbox.com and said the files were up there).
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#51650
Topic
CGI and Digital or Real models and actors-whats your prefferance.?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/51650/action/topic#51650
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Originally posted by: jimbo

Digital effects are always best.


Not always. There are a lot of times when digital effects look like crap. Digital doesn't automatically mean better. Many movies without digital effects look very good and realistic. Have you ever seen 2001: A Space Odyssey? There was no such thing as digital effects when it was made, yet it has special effects that are completely realistic and convincing and they're ten times better than any of today's CGI effects.
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#51647
Topic
CGI and Digital or Real models and actors-whats your prefferance.?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/51647/action/topic#51647
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I definitely prefer models, puppets, miniatures, etc. because they ARE real and they look real. CGI is good when it's used for enhancing scenes or doing scenes that couldn't be done in any other way, but using it too much is really bad.

One thing I really hate about CGI is when filmmakers use it to make explosions, because they can easily be done for real (even really huge scale ones like the nuclear explosion in Terminator 2 - they made it work really well without making the whole thing out of CGI). The main example of this on my mind is when Senator Amidala's ship explodes at the beginning Attack of the Clones. It's a CGI explosion and it looks cheap and stupid. It could've - and should've - been done by blowing up a model of the ship on blue or green screen. Afterwards they could've just inserted it into the shot and digitally enhance the whole thing (adding in extra debris, if necessary, adding in the troops that were sent flying from the ship in the explosion, etc.) instead of doing the entire thing out of CGI. That way, it would've looked pretty realistic and would've had a much better effect.

CGI nowadays is really being used as the lazy way out for filmmakers. It's still new and expensive and everything, but a lot of the time it's faster than having to build sets, models, etc. so they just make it digitally. When it comes to the prequels, I really think George Lucas is using this much CGI because he wants to show off what it can do. A lot of the really big sequences (especially in Episode II) feel like they were made that big simply because George Lucas had the magic of CGI and felt he could show off what it could do. A good example of this is the digital Yoda. In one part of the movie, when Obi-Wan is talking with Mace Windu, he's flying around on a levitating chair. I have a feeling that Lucas did something like that entirely because Yoda was being done digitally, so he thought he should just do it.

CGI is absolutely not needed to make good special effects (in fact, most of the time it actually looks worse than models and miniatures). Just look at 2001: A Space Odyssey. Despite being almost forty years old, the special effects are still ten times better than ANY of today's computer generated garbage. And back then they had absolutely no computers or anything. 2001 is one of the very few movies where you really can't see the effects, and that's because they were brilliantly done. I'd pick the effects from 2001 over the effects from the prequels any day.
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#51514
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Stupidest Prequal complaints
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/51514/action/topic#51514
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Sorry, but I have to disagree with the "no such thing as too much CGI" comment. Sure, when it's used properly and done really well it can look good, but if movies don't have super high budgets and really good special effects artists, it usually looks extremely obvious and really cheesy.

About CGI freeing filmmakers from constraints, that is true, but it seems to me that Lucas is using it as the easy way out for him. I was just watching some of the documentaries on the Episode II DVD a few days ago, and I was really surprised to see that in some of the scenes (don't remember exactly which ones at the moment), he didn't even take the time to build sets, he just had the actors in a green screen room and then added the set using CGI later on.

What I don't get is why Lucas doesn't combine old and new technology for special effects. For ships fighting each other in outer space, he could easily use models for that and then just enhance it with CGI when needed. That would make it look much more realistic, because models ARE real. When it comes to outer space battles, I'd pick the original trilogy ones any day because they looked realistic, while the prequel trilogy's battles look fake a lot of the time, because you can tell that it's made from computers.

So CGI might make things easier, but a lot of the times it's just used by filmmakers as the easy way out when there are lots of things done in CGI that could also be done with models and miniatures and stuff, which would make it look real. But I guess filmmakers still haven't gotten over the fact that they've got CGI. It's like when you get a new game, you keep playing it alot over and over again, but as time goes on you eventually stop using it so much and stuff after you've gotten used to it. I think the same thing's happening with filmmakers, and Lucas in particular. He's just gotten to use CGI and because it's so new he's using it as much as he can because it's so easy and everything. Based on some of the sequences that are in the prequel trilogy, it wouldn't surprise me if Lucas made some of those as big and huge as he did just to show off what CGI could do, and just because he could with this new technology.

Well, hopefully one day CGI can be perfected so that it looks completely life like, but until then models, puppets, miniatures, etc. are always going to look more real, mainly because they actually are real and not something that comes out of a computer.
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#51504
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/51504/action/topic#51504
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I've finally got A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back pre-Special Edition torrents from torrentbox.com. I'm trying to download Return of the Jedi right now, but it stopped downloading two days ago and it's at 57.3%.

By the way, people here have said to reseed the file after having downloaded it so others can download it. How exactly do I do that?
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#51505
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MORE CHANGES!!! (for the 2004 OT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/51505/action/topic#51505
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I don't know if this has been posted yet, but there's some leaked footage on the net of the new Han vs. Greedo sequence. It's at this link here:

http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmTv/exclusive/player.asp?articleID=11317

It looks way better than the original Special Edition version did, but it's still hard to believe Greedo could miss by so much from that distance (and still harder to believe that Han would let him shoot in the first place).