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#58782
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Reminder: Bootlegs of commercially available DVDs (such as the upcoming trilogy release) are NOT PERMITTED
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58782/action/topic#58782
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Originally posted by: Galahad_Skywalker
There's an official announcement? I didn't know that.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
^^^Or perhaps allow them after the official announcment on Sept 8.


What are you talking about


Lucasfilm are apparently going to make an announcement on September 8th about all the changes and stuff (or something like that, I don't remember all the details).
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#58746
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58746/action/topic#58746
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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
The new voices for Boba and Stormtroopers, and new Emperor sound clips a few pages back no longer work.

Can anyone re-post a working link? thank you.


I read from someone who saw the DVDs that the Stormtroopers voice have not been changed. Only Bobas.


I hope you're right. Changing Boba Fett's voice is bad enough, but at least leave the stormtroopers alone, Lucas.
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#58744
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Okay, I just have to get this off my chest!!!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58744/action/topic#58744
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Originally posted by: Jay
Joe_H and jimbo have different IP addresses. Unless jimbo earned an English degree overnight, I seriously doubt they're the same person.


Yeah, I didn't really think they were the same person (though it was an interesting possibility), I was really just joking around (hence the smiley). But nevertheless, it's nice to have confirmation anyway.
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#58203
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Continuity Errors in the OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58203/action/topic#58203
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Originally posted by: The Dark Lord
i noticed a blooper in ESB during the luke/vader duel in the carbonite chamber. after vader falls of the platform, luke hops down after him. if you watch carefully in the lower left hand corner of the screen, you can see that mark landed on a trampoline and his head bobs back up into the shot. it's pretty funny.

I don't think that one's a blooper. It looks like Luke is just rising from a crouched position. When you jump from a high distance, you land in a crouched position and then stand back up. It doesn't look to me like he landed on a trampoline at all (although I could be wrong), it just looks like he landed in a crouched position and was standing back up again.

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#58197
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1995 VHS
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58197/action/topic#58197
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Fullscreen is 67% of the image. More then half but still better to go wide.

Often there's even less image than that in pan-and-scan. It depends on what the original aspect ratio of the movie is.

If a movie's original aspect ratio is 1.85:1, you lose about 28% of the image in the pan-and-scan version. If the original aspect ratio is 2.35:1 (like in Star Wars) you lose about 43% of the image in the pan-and-scan. And in the rare cases when the original aspect ratio is actually wider than that, you lose even more. In 2.55:1 you lose about 48% in P&S, in 2.66:1 you lose exactly half the picture in P&S and in 2.76:1 you lose about 52% of the image.

You lose the least in 1.78:1 or 1.85:1, but a lot of times 1.78:1 movies are matted, so you actually get more in P&S (although the matted version is still the way the filmmakers intended it to be seen).

But you're right, it's definitely better to go widescreen.

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
you guys think they'll ever do away with pan and scan?
or think it will always have a market?

I don't know, but if it does fade out it won't be for a while, because there are still lots of dumb, uneducated people who think that a full TV screen means a full image and refuse to accept the change. Or they just don't care about how the filmmakers intended the movies to be seen and just want a full screen rather than having "annoying black bars" or whatever.

But one thing's for sure, widescreen's not going to go away now that it's popular. In fact, in a lot of cases it's even more popular than the pan-and-scan version. Widescreen copies of movies usually sell way more than pan-and-scan copies. Just look at the DVD boxset. The widescreen version is number one on amazon.com's sales ranking and the P&S version is number fifty-two.
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#58159
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Okay, I just have to get this off my chest!!!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58159/action/topic#58159
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Hmm... So joe_H and jimbo might both be the same person, huh? Interesting theory. Now that I think about it, you could be right. There are definitely a lot of the similarities, as you mentioned (but then again, there are also lots of differences). Also, I just noticed how joe_H defended jimbo in post and how jimbo has lately been talking about how we need "an opposing view point" on this board or whatever.

But until jimbo gets I.P. banned (or at least an I.P. address check on both gets done) we'll never really know for sure, because both of them are going to deny being the same person, whether or not they really are. If they aren't, that's what they'll say. If they are the same person, "they" will say "they" aren't anyway to cover it up. Also, joe_H's proper grammar and spelling and educated opinions make it seem like he's not jimbo, but that might just be jimbo doing that anyway to avoid being suspected...

Well, whatever. It's an interesting theory and there are definitely similarities between the two of them, but I think I'll wait this one out and see what happens. They might be the same person, they might be two different people and it could all be a coincidence.
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#58123
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Okay, I just have to get this off my chest!!!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58123/action/topic#58123
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Originally posted by: joe_H
"Richard Marquand did a great job on directing Return of the Jedi. The only thing that's his "fault" about it is how great it is."

As I said above, maybe you better thank Lucas rather than Marquand. Kershner stated that Lucas directed most of Return of the Jedi. You can look above for the reasons. Do a search for Irvin Kershner interviews. It was an interview with Shock Cinema in which he states Lucas directed most of Jedi, along with his(Kershner's) 2nd unit director filming some other, smaller scenes.

Okay, I guess that makes Lucas responsible for Return of the Jedi being as great as it is. However, he's definitely lost it since then. I'm also wondering why he doesn't also have his name listed as a director if he did most of the directing.

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"George Lucas listens to fans, not in my lifetime!"

Considering how pathetic, mean-spirited, and possessive they've become, why should he.

That's a good point. However, Lucas really brought this upon himself. People didn't start hating him for no reason. They didn't just wake up one day and start saying "Lucas sucks!". He's lost the respect of many people through all of the things he's done. Everything from making really stupid and unnecessary changes (Greedo shooting first, Luke screaming as he fell in TESB, etc.) to saying the original versions don't exist anymore and marketing the box set as the Star Wars Trilogy with no mention of Special Editions or changes whatsoever and so on and so on. All these things have made people lose lots of respect for him, which is why lots of us seem so disrespectful to him and all.

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I've seen these rips, and they are a vast improvement over the '97 SEs. The new Jabba is a huge improvement over the '97 SE Jabba, and it isn't even close.

Yeah, I've seen pictures of the new Jabba. It definitely looks a lot better, although I think there's something wrong about him, that just doesn't look right. I can't seem to figure out what it is. I just know it still looks wrong somehow to me.

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The new dianoga is far better than the old one.

I'm undecided about this change. I don't really care. The new dianoga with its new-looking eye (and slit pupil, rather than a round one) looks cool, but I think the old one was good enough. However, like I said I really don't care about this one.

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The new ending to Jedi is much better than the original, abrupt ending with the silly ewok yub-nub song.

This one I disagree with. I personally liked the old one more. Although as far as the song goes, I really don't care which one it is. I like both of them. But the celebrations don't really make sense. We've had some discussions about this sometime back, but basically it doesn't really make sense for all those planets to be celebrating (especially so soon after the Death Star II blew up - how did they get the news so fast?) because it seems to me that they either weren't under Imperial control and would have no real reason to celebrate, or they were under Imperial control and still wouldn't be celebrating, because there would obviously still be Imperial troops remaining. Death Star II and the Empire's two biggest leaders might have been destroyed, but there would still be lots of Imperial troops left throughout the galaxy on the planets that were under the control of the Empire and I don't think they'd suddenly drop their weapons and run away just because of the destruction of the new Death Star. There would also probably be lots of Imperial bases left throughout the galaxy.

But anyway, that's just my opinion. But that's the major reason I still prefer the old ending.

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The new Emperor change in Empire, is a huge improvement over the original, monkey-eyed emperor.

This one I also disagree with. While it's cool to have the Emperor from Return of the Jedi talking to Darth Vader, I liked the old woman with chimpanzee eyes as well. The old presents a continuity error, but it's still a very cool looking Emperor and I've never really had a problem with it.

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The removal of the scream from Luke's fall is also a great change.

I definitely agree on this one! The scene has a much better effect when Luke falls down silently, rather than going "eeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhoooooohhhhh!" in a voice that isn't even his (it sounds like the Emperor's scream, but longer and slightly different). Definitely glad they're getting rid of it.

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Not to mention all of the other cleaned up shots, including lightsabers. If you complain about these, you need help.

Yeah, the cleaned up shots look good. The quality on the DVDs is also absolutely amazing (from the pictures I've seen, anyway). I just wish the original versions could also be there instead of just the 2004 editions.

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As for replacing Shaw with Hayden. I don't like it. It's half-ass work. I prefer the original.

Yep, I also agree with this. Bring back Shaw!

Anyway, welcome to boards. It's good to find somebody that can disagree with us, but without calling us "whiny fanboys" or insulting/bashing/flaming us in some way.
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#57878
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Here's a Hint of the Public's Reaction that the '04 DVDs would not be the OOT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57878/action/topic#57878
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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
jimbo he has proven it 3 times... and even thats being generous considering he didnt direct TESB or ROTJ..


hey Galahad_Skywalker... if you want to ask Jay what he thinks about it first and he says its cool i would definatly help you out with something like that...
i just wanna make sure he's cool with it first just so we're not doing anything behind his back...


Since he didn't direct Return of the Jedi I wonder if its his fault or the directers that Return of the Jedi is the worst Star Wars movie. He has proven it 8 times with all the Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies.


It's not the worst Star Wars movie. Worst of the original trilogy, possibly, but it's an awesome movie and better than The Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones.

Richard Marquand did a great job on directing Return of the Jedi. The only thing that's his "fault" about it is how great it is.
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#57414
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THX-1138 on DVD, please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57414/action/topic#57414
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Oh, that's too bad. I was really hoping Lucas had put out both versions. I wonder where those two people got that info about both versions being available.

I'm still looking around at various BitTorrent sites to see if anybody has uploaded a torrent file of the original version. If not, I'll consider getting it from you like you offered.
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#56946
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THX-1138 on DVD, please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56946/action/topic#56946
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Now I've got a question about the DVD - is it going to be just the Director's Cut or is the theatrical edition going to be released as well? Because there are two different editions of the DVD over at amazon.com and one reviewer there said that both versions are being released and then I just read someone else say pretty much the same thing at imdb.com. So I'm wondering, does anybody know whether both versions are being released? I don't want to get my hopes up, but I can't help it.

If not, that's too bad. I'll have to find other ways to get the original version. If so, then thank you, Lucas! (And why don't you do the same for Star Wars?) He'll definitely get back a lot of the respect I lost for him if turns out both versions are released.
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#56704
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56704/action/topic#56704
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Originally posted by: jimbo
I personally like the Emperor dialog change. The only problem is its very mean to Clive Revell. Does anyone know why he didn't play the Emperor in Return of the Jedi.


Probably because they got Ian McDiarmid for the part. The Emperor only had a thirty second scene in Empire Strikes Back so it wouldn't have been worth all the trouble to look for someone who could actually play the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. They probably didn't even know what the Emperor would look like at the time.

And even if they had gotten Clive to play the Emperor in Return of the Jedi it would've still looked different, because he only did the voice in TESB, the actual part was played by an old woman with chimpanzee eyes superimposed over her (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/palpatine/?id=bts).
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#56678
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56678/action/topic#56678
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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: Spyder X

The quality of those cleaned up shots (not the changed ones, just the ones with cleaned up picture quality) is making me drool. That's some extremely good quality.

If only the originals were included! Why did Lucas have to leave them out? Why, why, why? I'm seriously fighting the temptation to buy these DVDs. I must resist! They look so tempting. Really my only problem with them are that they're the new versions. The cleaned up quality, all those bonus features, etc. all make me want to get these. I wanna see the movies in ultra high quality (if only they were the originals!) and I wanna hear the commentaries for all of them and get to see all those extra features. But I'm still fighting against it. Somebody help me resist temptation!


You must give in and by these DVDs. It is your destiny


No, I'll never to turn to the dark side!

Seriously, though, I'm trying to avoid buying these, but on the other hand they look so tempting... So many pros and so little cons (except those few cons are really, really big ones)... Meh, I'll wait and see what happens. I'm pretty sure I'll resist and won't buy these. Although I probably will watch them from whoever I can when they come out just to see all the differences.

And speaking of the differences, it really seems to me that with this DVD release Lucas is doing all the changes he should've done with the first Special Edition. It seems that he's really cleaning up lightsabers and matte lines and stuff and making other improvements (improving Greedo shooting first and Jabba in A New Hope) instead of just using this as a CGI test and not putting much effort into the changes like in the 1997 Special Editions.

However, like in the 1997 versions, he's making some unnecessary and stupid changes again. In 1997 he made Greedo shoot first, Luke scream as he fell, etc. and in 2004 he's making Hayden appear in place of Shaw Sebastian and changing Boba Fett's voice (his old one was awesome, this new one just sucks) and adding Naboo into the end celebration and so on.
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#56603
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56603/action/topic#56603
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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
I found these links...here is a bunch of side by side pics comparing the New 2004 release to the SE's

nearly confinrmed DVD changes thread

and here's a link to the box set's complete artwork...pretty cool

artwork for boxset


The quality of those cleaned up shots (not the changed ones, just the ones with cleaned up picture quality) is making me drool. That's some extremely good quality.

If only the originals were included! Why did Lucas have to leave them out? Why, why, why? I'm seriously fighting the temptation to buy these DVDs. I must resist! They look so tempting. Really my only problem with them are that they're the new versions. The cleaned up quality, all those bonus features, etc. all make me want to get these. I wanna see the movies in ultra high quality (if only they were the originals!) and I wanna hear the commentaries for all of them and get to see all those extra features. But I'm still fighting against it. Somebody help me resist temptation!
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#56210
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THX-1138 on DVD, please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56210/action/topic#56210
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Originally posted by: TR47
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Is it actually on a DVD or is it on a file on your computer that was ripped from it or what exactly is it? Is there any chance of it being made into a torrent file?


It is burned onto a DVD from LD. I don't have the ability to seed a torrent, so anyone interested in doing so should PM me.


Do you mean creating the torrent file or actually uploading and seeding it?
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#56035
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THX-1138 on DVD, please...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56035/action/topic#56035
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Originally posted by: TR47
I have a great LD transfer of the film on DVD-if anyone is interested in seeing it, PM me. It also has the original short film the movie was based on.


Is it actually on a DVD or is it on a file on your computer that was ripped from it or what exactly is it? Is there any chance of it being made into a torrent file? Because we have torrents of the original trilogy, now it would awesome to get a torrent of the original THX 1138 going around.

I'm hoping to see the original version before the DVD comes out. When it does come out, I plan to possibly buy it (and I agree that the changes in this one seem more like actual improvements like making things more open rather than just a CGI test like the Special Editions were) but I really want to see the original version of it first.
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#56034
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56034/action/topic#56034
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Hey, is Jar Jar in the Naboo celebration? If not, then chances are Lucas'll kill him off in Revenge of the Sith (wow, feels so weird to say that - I'm so used to saying "Episode III").

I don't know whether to download it or not. I'm not really that interested in it, but I would like to see some of the changes that were done. And it might take a while, cause I actually did try to download earlier today but couldn't even connect. So I just don't know if it's worth my time or not. I'm still undecided about it.
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#55916
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55916/action/topic#55916
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
No, they can't get sued. Lucas has final say on all cuts of material. The only way he could get sued is if he removes Shaw from the credits or edited it in a way that was defamitory to Shaw personal character.


Yeah, I didn't really think so, but I was still hoping. It would be payback for making an extremely stupid change. Thank goodness they left Shaw when Darth Vader's helmet gets taken off, though.

For me, this change is nearly as bad as Greedo shooting first, and changing Boba Fett's voice (if it turns out to be true) will also be up there. I can't stand them messing with characters.
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#55900
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55900/action/topic#55900
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Originally posted by: Galahad_Skywalker
Hot Rod...you need a Divx codec on your computer for you to be able to view the video...but be warned--it'll cause you nothing but pain and will cause a long stream of obscenities to flow out of your mouth. You'll hate it, you'll loathe it, you'll want to bury George Lucas and Rick McCallum alive and wrapped in each other's embrace after you see it.

I am pissed off beyond words.


I feel the same way. I personally hope they get their asses sued off by whoever represents Shaw Sebastian (even though I don't know if they can get sued just for that, but I hope so). I've lost nearly all respect for them now that it turns out they've actually done this change.
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#55481
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I'm thinking lawsuit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55481/action/topic#55481
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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Oh my gosh... quit complaining.

George Lucas isn't going to release the original theatrical editions, period.

And there is no false advertising: The box says "Star Wars Trilogy"
It doesn't say that it is the original theatrical edition.


Thank you


Both of you read Pagz's posts again. He's 100% right.

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Originally posted by: RowMan
I hate to bring this up, but no one has said anything about it yet. In 1995, there was a HUGE ad campaign claiming that then would be the last time to own the original versions of the Star Wars trilogy. So, they did kinda cover themselves.


Personally, I don't think that an ad campaign or whatever from a video release nine years ago covers them. Obviously not everybody's going to specifically remember "Oh right, the 1995 video release was the last time to own the original versions" when they go out to buy the DVDs. Also, not everybody knows about it - I never new they made a big ad campaign about it being the last time to own the original versions, because I didn't get into Star Wars until later (but I still saw the original versions first and prefer them). Also, I'm sure there a lot of people have forgotten all about that, and I'm sure that there are also lots of people who own Star Wars videos from the 1980s and haven't bought any since and haven't paid attention to further video releases who are planning to buy the DVDs. And there are also lots of other reasons why people wouldn't know that the DVDs are the Special Editions (or whatever) and that the original versions supposedly won't be available anymore.

So just because they made an announcement nine years ago doesn't mean they can advertise the DVD boxset as the Original Star Wars Trilogy without any mention of Special Editions (or Ultimate Editions or whatever) or changes.