Spartacus01

Superweapon VII said:

Spuffure said:

Sorry if this is too political (however it’s really not to start a debate) I said it before, but I really feel like I have no idea who to believe and who not to. The internet has made so many political ideologies present, I don’t know whether or not I should be left or right or centre or something else. Who is right? Who is wrong? Am I a bigot and don’t even know it?

Fuck tankies, fuck fash, and fuck liberalism, too. Libertarian socialism FTW.

I could be defined as a Tankie. Lol.

Omni said:

You do know it is Darth Vader who says that line, right?

Do you know it was meant to be a joke, right? XD

Do you know what’s the right ideology to follow? Simple: we need a system where the politicians sit down and discuss the problem, agree what’s in the best interest of all the people and then do it. And if people don’t agree, then they should be made to by someone wise. And if it seems like a dictatorship, it doesn’t matter. If it works…

RicOlie_2 said:

But I can speak from experience in saying that there is a lot of joy to be found in life apart from sexual pleasure.

It’s not so much about sex for me, although I obviously like the idea of having sex. For me, it’s more of a frustration with a lack of female affection. That is, I sincerely want to have a serious relationship, I’m really searching for a loving, fun and committed relationship. I’m a person with a high morality, and many people even call me a traditionalist. I don’t like the idea of loveless sex at all. Personally, I find the idea of having sex with someone you’re not in love with to be one of the most seedy things ever. Yeah, I want to have sex like everyone, but I want to have it with someone I’m in love with. I’m not against premarital sex, but if I have to have sex, at least I’d like to have it with someone I have a serious, committed relationship with, not some random person I don’t even know. So, it’s not just the lack of sex for me, it’s the lack of love itself.

I have similar problems.

Although I’m 23 years old, I have never been able, not only to have a sexual experience with a woman, but also to kiss a girl on the lips. I have never even managed to get a single date in my entire life. To be fair though, this is partly due to the fact that I never felt the need to look for a girl to have a serious relationship until I was 18. But since I turned 18, the desire to find a girlfriend, to make love and to try to have a serious relationship has increased more and more, but I have not yet managed to satisfy it. However, the fact that I have not yet managed to fulfill this desire is not women’s fault, it’s simply fault of my disability, which makes me quite difficult to meet, not only girls, but people in general.

Now, I can’t explain you in detail what’s my disability, as it’s extremely complicated. But I can tell you that I’m completely blind from my right eye, and I see very very little from my left eye, even less than a 90 year old person. Also, I have to be careful when I walk among the streets or go around in general, because if I happen to hit the head or trip, then I could go completely blind for the rest of my life and lose the little amount of eyesight that I still have. So, I can never go out alone, I always need someone to watch over me and walk next to me. Sure, I can walk without anyone watching over me, but I can only do it in places I know well (like my neighborhood), and even when I can go around alone in the places I know well, I still have to walk quite slowly and be super-careful, to make sure I don’t trip or get hit. So I can’t walk confidently like any other normal person. All these problems make it really difficult for me to meet new people, make friends, and meet girls to flirt with. Besides, in my city there is no recreational association where people my age can meet to exchange experiences and get to know each other.

I’m not kidding guys, I’m 23 years old and I don’t have a single real life friend because of my health problems, as it’s much difficult for me to meet people. Not impossible, but still difficult. It’s very hard to live like this. Also, I’m not exactly attractive. So, even assuming that I manage to know a girl, what are the chances that she might see something in me? Sure, you can tell me that my personality is what really matters, that my physical appearance is a secondary thing, blah blah blah. But let’s be honest, the world doesn’t work like that. Women like men who not only have a good personality, but also look attractive. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, because I want exactly the same from women. I too want to meet a girl who looks beautiful and has a great personality, so it’s completely normal for women and girls to want the same, and I’m not complaining about that. But still, I’m not exactly attractive, so it might be even more difficult for me to meet a girl who could be interested in me.

In summary: yeah, life sucks. But at least I still have God, he never leaves me alone. Maybe, this shitty situation is just God testing me to allow me to prove to myself what I’m worth, and how much I can be capable of overcoming my difficulties. Who knows…

I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I have just finished watching the fifth season of Supernatural, and I personally feel like it should have been the end of the series. I’m not even interested in watching the subsequent seasons, because the season 5 finale is too perfect for me, so I just want to stick with it and pretend nothing else happened after that.

I have a very radical idea.

In Attack of the Clones, it’s implied that the Sith are behind the creation of the Clone Army, and therefore behind the Clone Wars. Now, since the Sith wanted the war, then it’s obvious that their plan was to conduct the Jedi to the Clone Army. So, the fact that the Jedi discovered the Clone Army was not a coincidence. It was precisely what the Sith wanted, and that’s why they intentionally conducted the Jedi on Kamino, and then on Geonosis. But unfortunately Lucas is not a good writer, and therefore this is not very clear in Attack of the Clones - so much so that a lot of people still think that the discovery of the Clone Army was a coincidence. Therefore, I have thought about an idea that could make it even more clear.

After Obi-Wan ends his conversation with Jango Fett and leaves the room, we don’t have Jango telling Boba: “Pack your things, we are leaving.” Instead, we have him calling Count Dooku and telling him that a Jedi arrived on Kamino, and is suspicious. Then, we have Dooku replying by saying something along the lines of: “Good. Now come here to Geonosis, and make sure the Jedi follows you.”

This way, it’s even more implied that the discovery of both the Clone Army and the Droid Army was not a coincidence, as the Sith wanted the Jedi to discover both armies in order to make the war possible.

I recently had another idea to restructure Anakin’s fall, and my idea could be even accomplished by fanediting.

My idea is very simple.

According to George Lucas, Anakin never wanted to protect the people he loved for selfless reasons. He never wanted to prevent Padmé’s death for a selfless reason, but simply because he wanted to avoid feeling the pain of losing someone that he cared about. In other words, his fear of loss was never selfless, but was always selfish and always revolved around he himself. Although this is not entirely clear in the Prequels - and although I myself don’t think that these were Anakin’s reasons entirely - it’s still what George says, and therefore we have to take for granted that this is the official reason of why Anakin fell to the Dark Side. But… What if we completely cut out the selfishness from the equation? What if we cut out all the instances in which Anakin seems to be selfish or have selfish reasons for his fear of loss?

Maybe, we can say that he fears to lose the people he loves because he’s genuinely concerned about their well-being, and really doesn’t want them to suffer. We can turn him into the kind of person that doesn’t care about himself or his psyche, as long as the people he loves are well and safe. We can say that he’s not selfish, but really wants to do what he thinks is the best for the people he loves, and really puts their objective well-being above everything else. But he is completely blinded by his selfless desires, to the point that they ironically turn into their opposite. So, after he falls to the Dark Side and puts himself at the service of Palpatine, he basically becomes more and more corrupt until his selflessness disappears completely, and he starts to think exclusively about what he himself wants. Therefore, when we get to the dual on Mustafar he’s basically not selfless anymore, and really only cares about himself and about what he himself wants.

I think that this is perfectly accomplishable by fanediting. We just have to make him slightly less annoying, cut every instance in which he kills people before Revenge of the Sith (so he should not kill the sand people in Attack of the Clones), and cut out all the instances in which he seems to seek power and control over other people. That’s it. I personally think that this could be a great idea, and it could be a great case of “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. Besides, it would show how the Dark Side corrupts people, so much so that it can turn a selfless person into a selfish person.

Mocata said:

Greatest by what measure? Body count?

In this case, Anakin is the best Jedi. His body count is 1, while all the other Jedi were virgins. Also, Padmé alone makes Anakin earn 10 points, as she was the sexiest woman in the Galaxy at her time. Lmao.

Superweapon VII said:

Unironic love for the PT must be countered with unironic love for Battlefield Earth/Manos: The Hands of Fate/Plan 9 from Outer Space/Reefer Madness/Robot Monster/The Room/etc. It’s the only way to bring balance to the Farce.

What about minding your own business and not paying attention to what people like? And I don’t say it in a provocative way, I’m saying it seriously. The same goes for the PT fans who are constantly criticizing the ST fans. Why can’t people just mind their own business and let others have fun with what they want?

Eyepainter said:

Spartacus01 said:

Something bad has happened to me recently, and I wanted to bitch about it, because I think that it’s not even my fault.

Basically, there’s a girl I started talking to a few months ago. I have met her online. As soon as we met, we immediately connected, and for a couple of months we texted each other every day and talked every day. We were really interested in each other. This girl comes from Turkey, while I come from Italy. But she told me that she would have moved to Italy next year with her family, because they wanted to leave Turkey and start to live in Italy. We even planned to meet once she came to live in Italy.

However, a couple of months ago she told me that she had to take some exams at university, as she studies medicine. Now, I’m a quite person who always tries to be kind. I don’t like to argue with other people if it’s not necessary. I’m a person who likes to leave their space to others, therefore, I thought that it would have been best not to text at all until the exams were finished. And so I did. I didn’t text her until her exams were finished. When her exams were finished, she texted me again, and she was not angry about the fact that I didn’t text her for the whole time. In fact, she studied a lot and she actually never had time to be online anyway, so she was not angry with me about that. Since she was not angry about that, I started to think that acting this way would have been better. That is, texting her exclusively when I knew that she was free, while trying to leave her alone when I knew that she was busy. This way - I thought - I wouldn’t have disturbed her when she was busy, and I would have done a good thing by giving her some personal space when she was doing something else.

After she finished her exams, we started to talk again for a couple of weeks. But after a couple of weeks she told me that she was going to visit her grandparents and her cousins, who live in Iraq. Since she would have been temporarily in another country and would have been with her family often, I thought it would have been best not to text her at all, so as to allow her to have free time with her family and give her some space. I thought it would have been best to wait until she returned from Iraq, and start to talk with her again exclusively after she returned. However, apparently she didn’t even bothered to tell me that she returned to Turkey in the first place. And since I didn’t know that she was back at home, then I didn’t know that she was available to talk again. Since I didn’t know that, I obviously didn’t text her for another month, being completely unaware of the fact that she was back. And during this month, she didn’t even remotely thought of texting me once, not even to say “Hi”, or something.

Giving that I didn’t text her (despite the fact she was back), she started to think that I don’t care about her anymore. Now she started to hate me, and told me that it was a mistake to be interested in me. She’s telling me that I’m a horrible person, that I don’t give a shit about her, and that she doesn’t want to talk with me anymore. But… Why? I mean, I was in good faith. She’s the one who didn’t even bother to tell me that she was back, so it’s not my fault if I didn’t text her. I simply didn’t know that she was available to talk again. I always tried to be super-kind, cute, available, mature, and not clingy. And despite this, now I’m forced to hear that I’m a horrible person who doesn’t give a shit about people and doesn’t know how to treat a girl.

I just hate this whole situation.

There’s nothing worse than a romantic partner who expects you to read her mind. Sorry about what happened there. I hope you find someone who isn’t gonna treat you that way.

Not only she expected me to read her mind, but she didn’t put any effort whatsoever. Because, as I have said before, when she returned to Turkey she didn’t even bother to tell me that. She expected me to be the one who was always gonna text first. So, not only she expected me to know that she returned without having told me that, but she even expected me to text first about something I didn’t know in the first place. Apparently, it was too difficult to text me first to say “Hi”.
She said that I didn’t put any effort, but she’s the one who didn’t text me for a whole month, despite being at home without nothing to do. I mean, if you see that I’m not texting you since a long time, you could at least try to figure out why I’m not texting you, you could just ask me. If she texted me and said something like: “Hey, I have returned home since a while, but you are not texting me. What happened?”, then I would have simply explained her that I didn’t know that she returned, and everything would have ended there. But no, apparently she’s too important to text me first every once in a while…

Something bad has happened to me recently, and I wanted to bitch about it, because I think that it’s not even my fault.

Basically, there’s a girl I started talking to a few months ago. I have met her online. As soon as we met, we immediately connected, and for a couple of months we texted each other every day and talked every day. We were really interested in each other. This girl comes from Turkey, while I come from Italy. But she told me that she would have moved to Italy next year with her family, because they wanted to leave Turkey and start to live in Italy. We even planned to meet once she came to live in Italy.

However, a couple of months ago she told me that she had to take some exams at university, as she studies medicine. Now, I’m a quite person who always tries to be kind. I don’t like to argue with other people if it’s not necessary. I’m a person who likes to leave their space to others, therefore, I thought that it would have been best not to text at all until the exams were finished. And so I did. I didn’t text her until her exams were finished. When her exams were finished, she texted me again, and she was not angry about the fact that I didn’t text her for the whole time. In fact, she studied a lot and she actually never had time to be online anyway, so she was not angry with me about that. Since she was not angry about that, I started to think that acting this way would have been better. That is, texting her exclusively when I knew that she was free, while trying to leave her alone when I knew that she was busy. This way - I thought - I wouldn’t have disturbed her when she was busy, and I would have done a good thing by giving her some personal space when she was doing something else.

After she finished her exams, we started to talk again for a couple of weeks. But after a couple of weeks she told me that she was going to visit her grandparents and her cousins, who live in Iraq. Since she would have been temporarily in another country and would have been with her family often, I thought it would have been best not to text her at all, so as to allow her to have free time with her family and give her some space. I thought it would have been best to wait until she returned from Iraq, and start to talk with her again exclusively after she returned. However, apparently she didn’t even bothered to tell me that she returned to Turkey in the first place. And since I didn’t know that she was back at home, then I didn’t know that she was available to talk again. Since I didn’t know that, I obviously didn’t text her for another month, being completely unaware of the fact that she was back. And during this month, she didn’t even remotely thought of texting me once, not even to say “Hi”, or something.

Giving that I didn’t text her (despite the fact she was back), she started to think that I don’t care about her anymore. Now she started to hate me, and told me that it was a mistake to be interested in me. She’s telling me that I’m a horrible person, that I don’t give a shit about her, and that she doesn’t want to talk with me anymore. But… Why? I mean, I was in good faith. She’s the one who didn’t even bother to tell me that she was back, so it’s not my fault if I didn’t text her. I simply didn’t know that she was available to talk again. I always tried to be super-kind, cute, available, mature, and not clingy. And despite this, now I’m forced to hear that I’m a horrible person who doesn’t give a shit about people and doesn’t know how to treat a girl.

I just hate this whole situation.

If the Force did not exist, the inhabitants of the Star Wars Galaxy would have experienced not even half of the wars they experienced through Galactic history. The Force is the real problem of the Star Wars Galaxy. The more I look at the Saga, and the more I realize that this is the case. If Kreia had managed to extinguish the Force and make everyone insensitive to the Force, then the Star Wars Galaxy would have been much better for the next millennia. Sure, some of my favorite characters would never have been born, but it would have been worth it

Peter Pan said:

Semester holidays are coming up in two weeks, so if nobody responds until then, feel free to send me a PM.

Given that no one has responded me in almost two months, I will surely PM you. Lol. Especially because I’m trying to work on this project since last year, and I didn’t even manage to fully finish my Attack of the Clones edit. So I really need all the help I can get.

regularjoe said:

AotC item 3
I solved this by eliminating the droid factory scene entirely. Now they go in and the next time you see them they’re captured, for me not seeing how outweighs the awfulness of the scene we got.

I don’t think that the Droid Factory scene is entirely bad. If you remove any trace of R2D2 and C3PO by implying that they stay on the ship, the scene becomes quite enjoyable actually. Besides, Attack of the Clones doesn’t have much action scenes, and the Droid Factory scene is one of those scenes that, for better or worse, has action in it. So I don’t want to eliminate one of the few action scenes of the movie.

Guys, in the last month and a half, i managed to get in contact with a guy on Reddit, who is helping me to finish my Attack of the Clones edit. The problem is, yes, he managed to do the changes I asked him to do, but he didn’t manage to put them into the actual movie. That is, he only modified the individual scenes I asked him to modify and then sent me those modified scenes, but he didn’t put them into the movie. So, I was wondering if there was anyone on the forum who is willing to help me to put these modified scenes in their place. You don’t need to modify anything, because I already have the scenes. You just have to put these modified scenes into my already existing edit.

Basically, the thing would work more or less like this:

1. I send you the link to my (incomplete) edit;
2. I send you the links to the individual scenes that the guy managed to modify;
3. You put those modified scenes into my already existing edit.

The scenes that this guy managed to modify are the same that I described in my above post, so it’s mostly stuff surrounding the Battle of Geonosis and the Droid Factory scene.

Let me know if someone can help me.

Caston, I was not trying to say that George is infallible and never made mistakes. I’m well aware of the fact that sometimes he lied and made bad decisions. In fact, I agree with what you said about George lying about the EU and mistreating the EU authors and the EU fans. I also agree with you about the fact that he lied when he said that Star Wars was always supposed to be about Anakin. All I was trying to say is that I vastly prefer George over Disney, and that it’s not George’s fault if Star Wars is bad today.

George erasing the contribution of Marcia Lucas and others in Star Wars?

I don’t remember George ever denying that Marcia had a great role in the development of the Original Trilogy. I think that all he wanted to erase was the notion that the Original Trilogy was good despite of him, and not because of him. Especially because there are some people (I’m not talking about you specifically) that seem to think that the Original Trilogy was good exclusively because of Marcia. I think that George’s intent was not trying to erase the contributions of Marcia and others to the Original Trilogy, but simply making it clear that he always was the head of the editing process, and that if the Original Trilogy ended up like we know it today was ultimately because of him, since he always had to approve everything before it was done.

George creating the Special Edition and then attempting to erase the unaltered cuts of the OT?

George attempting to erase the original cuts of the Original Trilogy? Sure, that’s something I don’t like either, and I obviously criticize George for that. But creating Special Editions was a legit decision, especially because there were some things that absolutely needed to be changed (for example, Palpatine’s appearance in Empire Strikes Back). The fact that George added changes to the original movies is not bad per se. What’s bad is the fact that he always changed his mind all the time, was not able to agree with himself about the definitive changes he wanted to introduce to the movies, and tried to erase the original versions. But other than that, I don’t think that creating Special Editions was a bad idea in itself, as well as declaring the Special Editions as the Canon version of the movies.

For some reason you appear to have completely skipped over or ignored Minch’s above points?

It’s not that I skipped those points, it’s just that I was not arguing against the idea that George made bad decisions and sometimes lied, so I didn’t need to talk about that. My point was completely different.

He accused some fans of making up claims the films had racist stereotypes in TPM because they simply didn’t like Jar Jar? Or something along those lines? I’d have to look it up to be sure, so I could be likely wrong on that.

George is on record saying he wants his things his own way and doesn’t really care what the fans think. Something about throwing rocks at him, so he will do it his way or something? There are interviews and articles that appear in threads on here where George is being a prick to fans with his choices, decisions and reasoning. He seems to have got more prickly, to appearing to have had some sort of character change around the time of the SE’s and PT. Those OT Index and TCvsSE Index threads on here have a lot of the articles, quotes and interviews, if you’re interested.

What does this have to do with what I said before? I simply said that George has never accused the fans who didn’t like the Prequel Trilogy of being the reason of why he decided to sell Star Wars, and what you just said does not disprove my thesis. I’m not saying that George didn’t criticize the fans that didn’t like the Prequels, I’m simply saying that he didn’t say that they were the reason of why he decided to sell Star Wars. That’s it.

Disney calls anyone who doesn’t appreciate the Sequel Trilogy a “fake fan”, a “racist”, or a “sexist”? You’re obviously being hyperbolic with that claim. They’ve called out the racism, sexism, and some disingenuous fan views? (for money or subscribers?) for when they saw it that at the time. Good for them.

I know that some Disney employees accused everyone who doesn’t like the Sequel Trilogy and Rey’s character to be a sexist. I have seen some screenshots along those lines with some Disney-owned Lucasfilm employees talking that way in regards to the fans. Not to mention, Pablo Hidalgo often bullied and mocked EU fans in the past years, especially on Twitter. All I was trying to say is that this kind of stuff didn’t happen when Lucasfilm was still in control of George. Because let’s be honest guys, George’s harshest criticism of the fans who didn’t like the Prequel Trilogy was that they didn’t understand the movies. That’s all. But he never openly mocked them, and never denied the fact that they were true fans with the right to enjoy what they want.

If you want to see George’s “intellectually honesty” give Minch’s post another read, then that “GL Unreliable Narrator and Time Travelling Revisionist” thread and the OT Index a read, also. He may be more honest than Disney? But still, a low bar.

Yeah… No. What you said here has no relevance to my point, because I was not talking about George’s intellectual honesty in general, I was simply talking about his intellectual honesty in regards to the fans who didn’t like the Prequels.

Firstly, what’s really bad is not the Karma for George, but the total lack of punctuation in your post.

Secondly, we can say many things about George, but to blame him for the total mess that Star Wars has become today is exaggerated. If Star Wars today is mostly bad, it’s not George’s fault but fault of who is directing and writing Star Wars nowadays. Since they’re in control of Star Wars, then they are also responsible for what’s happening with Star Wars today. It is not Lucas’ fault if the Sequels are bad, it is fault of who wrote and directed the Sequels. It is not Lucas’ fault if The Mandalorian is a mediocre show, it is fault of who wrote and directed The Mandalorian. It is not Lucas’ fault if the Kenobi series is unwatchable, it is fault of the people who wrote and directed the Kenobi series. Everyone has to take responsibility for their own actions, so blaming Lucas for something he didn’t do is intellectually dishonest. Also, George has never blamed the fans who don’t like the Prequel Trilogy for anything. He never said that the fans who didn’t like the Prequels are the reason he sold Star Wars. He has always reiterated that he sold Star Wars because he was tired, and wanted to spend his old age with his family. In fact, I believe that George was more intellectually honest than many of the people who work for Disney Star Wars, because contrary to Disney, which calls anyone who doesn’t appreciate the Sequel Trilogy a “fake fan”, a “racist”, or a “sexist”, George always said that even the fans who despised the Prequels should be considered fans, and always called them fans, even in the interviews in which he openly criticize them.

The thing is, most of the contradictions between TCW and the Multimedia Project are not even Filoni’s fault, but Lucas’ fault. TCW was Lucas’ pet project, he had complete creative control over it, and decided whatever something was good enough as to be shown in the series, or not. He decided everything, so he’s the only responsible for the contradictions between TCW and the EU. In fact, from what I’ve come to understand, Filoni’s original plan for TCW was very different from the show we got. He initially planned to create a circumscribed story that would have revolved around a specific group of characters. The group he had in mind was supposed to be the crew of a ship going on various adventures during the Clone Wars. Apparently he didn’t want Anakin and Obi-Wan to be part of the show, precisely in order to avoid contradicting the Clone Wars Multimedia Project. But it seems that George rejected the idea and wanted Anakin and Obi-Wan to be part of the show, so Filoni agreed, accepted George’s conditions and started working on TCW by following George’s desire of having Anakin and Obi-Wan is prominent characters in the show. Don’t get me wrong, nowadays Filoni acts like a hack, who doesn’t respect the work of other people and doesn’t mind contradicting it. But I don’t think he always had this behavior. I believe that he was initially a genuine EU fan who didn’t want to contradict the established continuity, until George taught him that continuity doesn’t really matter, with the result that Filoni took this attitude from George and started saying to himself: “Well, if George doesn’t respect continuity, then why should I respect it? You know what? I don’t want to care about anyone else’s story, I just want to do my own thing.” So, if anyone is to blame for TCW’s faults in terms of continuity, then it’s Lucas, not Filoni. At least not entirely.

Superweapon VII said:

Humby said:

Superweapon VII said:

Darth Tremor said:

The issue is Ahsoka. I like her, but Vader’s line, “when I left you I was a learner, now I am the Master,” indicates Vader was never a Jedi Master as Anakin.

Or a full knight for that matter. Just another bit of OT continuity Lucas either forgot or ignored when writing the prequels.

I’ve always been of the mindset that we fans can often take dialogue too literally. This is a case of that for me. After 20 years of experience, a medical doctor would certainly acknowledge that they were still a learner in their first few years out of med school, even though they may still hold the same title. The line is just meant to establish the dynamic of the characters in the scene, it’s not meant to be expository.

To make the case for this particular topic, you’d be better off using Obi-Wan’s line to Luke that Vader “was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil.” Because that IS meant to be expository. But for me personally, even that is vague enough to allow for some wiggle room, as many young (and even older) professionals in the real world have pupil/mentor relationships with others in their field who simply have more experience.

I think we often need to give character dialogue the freedom of having been generalized, abbreviated, obfuscated, etc… because that’s just how humans communicate. We use shorthand, we leave out unnecessary details, we avoid painful discussions. And it doesn’t always paint an accurate picture of our experiences. Just my 2 cents.

If Filoni contradicts the Clone Wars multimedia project, it’s a great sin. But if Lucas contradicts the EU, or the OT novelizations, or the OT itself, in roll the appeals to ad hoc retcons, headcanon, and George’s Vision™. After so many years of this crap, I’m at the end of my rope with it.

I too have the kind of behavior that you are talking about, but I’m not as hypocritical as the people you described. I have two main reasons of why I complain about certain contradictions while ignoring others:

Firstly, my personal taste. I don’t try to hide my personal taste behind “George’s vision” and bulshit like that. I’m intellectually honest, so I admit that one of the reasons of why I don’t care about the contradictions between the Prequels and the pre-1999 EU, while complaining about the contradictions between TCW and the Multimedia Project, is because I like the Prequels and dislike TCW in the first place. I vastly prefer Georgia’s version of the Clone Wars over what Timothy Zhan had in mind, and I generally don’t even care about the post-ROTJ EU anyway, so I’m more than willing to ignore those contradictions. I’m not afraid to say it, I don’t want to make up any excuse for it, and I don’t want to hide my personal taste behind someone else’s vision.

Secondly, I don’t think that the contradictions between the Prequels and the EU were as deep as the contradictions between TCW and the EU.
Before the de-canonization of the EU, the authors and those that were in charge of continuity managed to solve the contradictions between the EU and the Prequels in a way that is more than convincing for me. They made up pretty sensible explanations for those contradictions, they even created entire comics just to solve contradictions, and I’m fine with the explanations they gave. On the other hand, they never managed to solve the contradictions between TCW and the EU, simply because they were so deep that they couldn’t be solved in the first place. So much so, that a couple of years ago Leland Chee himself said on Instagram that solving those contradictions is literally impossible, and that he himself sees the Clone Wars Multimedia Project as the real version of the Clone Wars.
And don’t get me wrong guys, I’m not saying that the explanations they gave to solve the contradictions between the Prequels and the EU make sense from an objective point of view. I’m simply saying that they make sense FOR ME, and that this (other than my personal taste) is the reason of why I don’t complain much about these contradictions.

I would not envy someone learning it as a second language.

The problem is that you have to learn English, because it’s the most spoken language in the world, and also because everything internationally is done using the English language. If you have to travel for work in a country where the inhabitants speak a language that you don’t speak, then the only alternative you have to make yourself understood is by speaking English. Furthermore, even if you work in your own country you have to learn English, because if tourists come you have to know how to interact with them. So much so that here, in Italy, learning English is almost mandatory in order to have a job. So yes, I wish I didn’t have to learn English, but unfortunately I have to…

Squeaky Water Wheel said:

This all sounds pretty good! I do have one recommendation though. You should add the scene were Jocasta-Nu tells Obi-wan about Count Dooku. You may have to add the rest of the scene back with obi-wan trying to find Komino but I think it’s worth it. Dooku is the main antagonist of the movie so it’s good to know who he is and where he came from. It also alludes to his motivation for going against the Republic.

The problem with that scene is that the special effects were never completed, so the scene looks extremely rough and incomplete. That’s basically the reason of why no one ever adds that scene to any fan edit of the movie. All of us would love to add that scene to our own fan edits, but we first need a VFX artists (or someone like that) to finish the special effects first, and no one yet has ever tried to do that.

Don’t get me wrong, I respect your way to interpret the movies and the way you want to make Anakin/Vader’s character look like, and I obviously don’t want to say that your intentions for the movies and the character are wrong, because everyone is free to do whatever he thinks it’s right for these movies. But your Revenge of the Sith edit (and also your other two edits) is one of the examples of why I ultimately don’t like the Canon Vader and prefer his Legends counterpart. I prefer Vader being a week, pathetic man who intentionally makes excuses for his actions, even though he knows deep down that what he did and what he’s doing is wrong. I don’t like Vader being a cool badass that kills everyone and is deeply convinced that he’s doing good for the Galaxy.

I agree with what Squeaky Water Wheel said.

It seems that it is.

I hate that I’m not able to have complex, articulate discussions in English.

English and Italian have two completely different ways of expressing and structuring sentences. And since I’m Italian, I’m obviously accustomed to the way Italian is spoken and the way sentences and speeches are structured in Italian, with the result that every time I want to try to have a complex discussion in English, I can never structure well my sentences and speeches as I’d like to. When I have to express basic concepts ranging from point A to point B, I’m perfectly able to express myself in English without any problem and without difficulty in making myself understood by others. But when I have to talk about complex, articulate and nuanced issues, then I can never structure my speeches and sentences as well as I would like, always ending up being forced to give up any discussion.

I hate this situation, it’s very annoying for me!

philraid said:

Caston said:

philraid said:

1. Clone Wars (2003)- Well-animated, lots of good action scenes, and it does a good job bridging the gap between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.

It is so pleasing to see this series still gets much love and respect.

I always feel like I’m one of the few people that prefers it over the other Clone Wars show (granted more people have seen the latter), but yeah it’s really good. It still has the best depiction of General Grievous.

I also prefer the older Clone Wars to TCW.

G&G-Fan said:

Servii said:

I was expecting it to be the Plinkett reviews. Nope, it’s the opposite lol

it’s the Ego the Living Planet of Prequel defenders

Channel72 said:

The Prequels are awesome because they’re stylistically designed to be that way.

G&G-Fan said:

Channel72 said:

The Prequels are awesome because they’re stylistically designed to be that way.

The Prequels are good because they quote shots better movies.

Marooned Biker Scout said:

thxlogofan17 said:

it’s hard for me to explain, so this video explains it for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnjzVX8EKA

Rick Worley?

You must be trolling? Or you would not have posted that the video was by him, and without saying it was by Rick Worley?

C;mon, your first post on an OT discussion forum is link to a video by Rick Worley

Can I be honest? Can I be truly, brutally honest?

The attitude of many members of this forum towards those who defend the Prequel Trilogy is reprehensible in my opinion. Okay, this is an OT discussion forum. So what? Does that mean that one can’t be free to defend the Prequel Trilogy? Does that mean that one must only talk badly about those movies? I myself have been the subject of similar criticism in the past, and even though I didn’t say it openly, I was very annoyed by this. Just because I said that the dialogue isn’t as bad as everyone says, I was treated with condescension, and it was very annoying for me.

You all should stop acting like you have absolute truth, because it can be very irritating. Don’t get me wrong, to discuss and criticize other people’s arguments is absolutely okay. But to act like “Yeah bro, sure, you can continue to carry out your wrong opinions, but the rest of us, who are all superior, will continue to say things as they are” is very irritating.

You claim to be a friendly forum where everyone can express their opinions freely, and you even boast to have numerous Prequel fans on here. But paradoxically, every time that a Prequel fan who actually tries to defend the movies pops up, he gets overwhelmed with criticism and condescending, or he’s even accused of being a troll solely because he says things that are different from the common thought on here. It happened to me, it happened to Stardust1138, it happened to other people, and it’s going to happen over and over again, because this place has become an echo chamber.

I suggest you all to grow up and learn to respect other people’s opinions.