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My head-canon is that The Star Wars happens in the same universe as the rest of the main saga, but it happens in a very, very distant future, possibly 500,000 years after the Battle of Endor. Which explains why a lot of things seem so different, while other names and concepts seem so familiar.

Given that names tend to repeat over time, it’s not crazy to assume that other people would be called Leia, or Luke, or Han over time. Just like there are several people called John, or Samuel, even with the same surnames as other people called John and Samuel.

Furthermore, it should also be taken into account that Shmi Skywalker was not the only Skywalker in existence. She had a father, like all normal humans, whose surname must have been Skywalker, too, given that he was her father, indeed. Now, they never explicitly stated that she didn’t have siblings, or that her own father didn’t have siblings. So, the branch of the Skywalker family that generated Anakin and Luke Skywalker might not be the only branch of the Skywalker family in existence. Therefore, it is possible that the Luke Skywalker we see in The Star Wars doesn’t even come from the same branch of the family from which the original Luke Skywalker comes. And even assuming that the Luke Skywalker we see in the comic is a descendant of Anakin and Luke from the movies, it would still make sense in my opinion. Because again, names tend to repeat over time, so it’s not impossible to conceive that, thousands of years after the movies, there could be another Skywalker called Luke.

The same can be said about the reptile version of Han Solo that we see in the comic. In fact, it is canonically established, in Legends, that Han Solo had a couple of cousins. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the branch of the Solo family that generated Jacen and Jaina might not be the only branch of the Solo family in existence. Therefore, it’s possible that the Han Solo from the comic does not even come from the same branch of the family from which the Solo children come. And even assuming that the Han Solo we see in The Star Wars is a descendant of Han Solo from the movies, it’s not crazy to imagine that some of Han’s descendants might be aliens. This happened in the Legends universe already, and inter-species relationships are perfectly possible in the Star Wars universe.

As for the character called “Darth Vader”, it’s not difficult to explain it either. Given that this story is supposed to be set 500,000 years after Return of the Jedi, I think that you can easily assume that what happened in the original Star Wars saga became kind of a myth in the Galaxy over time, like we see the Bible, or the homeric poems today. So, to give someone a “mythological” name is not so absurd. A lot of people give their children mythological names in real life, too. Moreover, we don’t even know if Darth Vader is the actual name of the character, or if it’s just an alias that he uses. Maybe, it is possible that his name is not even Darth Vader, but he started to call himself that way after reading some old text about ancient, mysterious mythological figures and events. And after identifying himself with this mythological figure called Darth Vader, he basically said: “Well, I will start to use that as my alias.”

And finally, Princess Leia from the comic is not even an Organa, so she’s probably just a random princess who happened to be called Leia. It’s not impossible. After all, how many princesses happened to have the same names during European history?

As for the names of the planets, I don’t think it’s an impossible task to reconcile it with the original Star Wars saga. Planets and places just change their names over time. Therefore, it’s not so absurd to assume that certain planets changed their names. For example, Alderaan from the comic can actually be another planet, that people started to call Alderaan over time, even though the original planet was destroyed by the Death Star. I mean, things tend to change a lot during the course of 500,000 years, you know.

I’m sure that more than one person is probably thinking: “Okay, all of this makes sort of sense. But how can you explain the fact that the technology is pretty similar to what we can see in the movies? If the story is supposed to be set 500,000 years after Return of the Jedi, how is it possible that the technology is very similar to what we see in the Original Trilogy itself?”

Well, I don’t think the technology is a real problem. In the comic it is implied that the Empire controls the entire Galaxy, and in the background of some scenes, you can even see aliens that resemble the Chiss. So, you can assume that the Unknown Regions were completely conquered, discovered and peacified, which is a great advancement compared with the original Star Wars saga. Not to mention, astro-droids have the ability to speak like normal droids in the comic, which also is a great advancement compared with the original Star Wars saga. Furthermore, more than once the comic gives you the impression that hyperspace travel is much faster than in the original Star Wars saga, so you can reasonably assume that hyperspace technology and travel advanced a lot, and that hyperspace travel is even faster than before. Therefore, even though some of the technology remains the same, a lot of other stuff is more advanced. I don’t think it’s really a problem anyway, because the advancement of technology in the Star Wars Universe has always been irregular and incoherent.

The Jedi were hesitant to train Anakin, because he was attached to his mother, he missed her. And the Jedi, being against attachment and being used to start training children at a much younger age, just felt hesitant to train Anakin. That’s it. No further explanation is needed, everything is already explained in The Phantom Menace. Furthermore, the fact that Sidious and Plagueis were involved in Anakin’s creation was confirmed in the Legends novel Darth Plagueis. However, in the novel it is explained that it wasn’t something that they did voluntarily. Rather, the Force created Anakin as an automatic reaction to their unnatural experiments with the midi-chlorians. Basically, the Force was “pissed off” at the Sith because they were manipulating the Force itself, so it created Anakin to stop themm.

9/11 happened in my birth year.

Vladius said:

NFBisms said:

Vladius said:
What I mainly don’t like is all the insane real world baggage that gets dragged into it. The Jedi are like an ascetic Buddhist FBI that is also a fourth branch of government and also the leaders of the military and also diplomats and also bodyguards. The Republic is the Roman Republic but it’s also the United States during the Civil War and also the United States in modern times. The Senate is the Roman Senate and also the United Nations times a million. The enemies of the Republic are the Confederates from the Civil War and also modern international megacorporations. Anakin has aspects of Christ but is not perfect like Christ and ends up being the Antichrist.
All of the religion and philosophy in Star Wars is both Christian and Buddhist, Western and Eastern, per Lucas. Which means that it has both traditional good and evil, and suggestions of Yin and Yang “balance” stuff, without distinguishing between the two.
This all leads to confusion and really, really, really bad takes from fans about what it all means. Stuff like you should be equally good and evil, or that Anakin committing genocide on the Jedi was good and they deserved it. And then you have a bunch of EU writers, Disney writers, and Dave Filoni encouraging this.

I think this is actually the strength of the prequels as they are IMO.

Lucas challenges preconceptions of The Story with every subsequent movie starting from “I am your father” in ESB; where the PT contradicts the OT is intentionally in conversation. To me, what’d even be the point of these if the story were only the genre tropes and archetypes we could extrapolate from the OT? The “insane” real world baggage is what makes them worth handling in detail at all. It moves the needle from fairy tale to mythology. It’s not meant to be instructive.

Whatever analogues are in that mix shouldn’t be 1:1, otherwise then we would just be talking about Catholicism. Falling in line to real life historical or contemporary example is a hacky commentative form anyway; the only reality that demands consistency in fictional worldbuilding are the sociological and theoretical mechanics. Any philosophy or culture can be made up in that context, and should. That allows space to work with empathy / thought that real world sensitivities make difficult. If you’re looking for specific analogy, of course it’s incoherent. Of course all of this couldn’t really exist. But the exercise is about how something works, not what they are.

Your mileage may vary on what the difference is, but to articulate how I see the difference: Lucas isn’t writing about the United States or Christianity (just as examples). He’d be writing about hegemonic imperialism and the sociology of principled beliefs. From there your personal engagement is your personal engagement. The murkiness of What It All Means™ is a feature not a bug. I like that we can all have different perspectives about it.

My problem is the lack of different perspectives. The orthodox fan view right now is that the light side = no emotions, the dark side = strong emotions, and the gray side = emotions in check. The Jedi are a cult who kidnaps and brainwashes children into having no emotions. When you force people to have no emotions, the Freudian id takes over and makes them turn to the dark side and snap and commit mass murder, and that’s your fault. For these fans (most of them online), there is no other perspective. There’s no dialogue or moral ambiguity. They took black and white, introduced “gray”, then called the gray white and everything else black.
Never mind that gray is nonsensical and involves being half good and half evil. You can have a little bit of turning into a gray-skinned yellow-eyed genocidal cyborg monster, as a treat. (This is how they describe Anakin in the Ahsoka show.)
It’s blatantly false both in and out of universe, but there is no disagreement about it. This is the consensus. In Dave Filoni shows and other stuff, it’s canon. There’s no broader discussion of Christianity and Buddhism or exactly WHY monks do what they do. It’s all judged through the lens of 21st century hyper-individualistic modern western culture where everything is about sex and doing what you want, when you want, screw everyone else.

I don’t want to play the part of the devil’s advocate, but can you really blame the fans for this? I think that Lucas is to blame, not the fans. In the Prequels there is no indication whatsoever that the Jedi philosophy is not based on suppressing emotions. On the contrary, every time we see the Jedi do or say something in the Prequels, you always get the impression that repressing emotions is exactly what they do. Add to that the fact that the Jedi forbid marriage and romantic relationships, and you have the perfect formula for misunderstanding. If Lucas was not able to properly convey his message, then it’s not the fault of the fans, it’s Lucas’s fault. And even if Lucas had succeeded in conveying his message correctly, it doesn’t mean that people should not be contrary to the Jedi philosophy, because you can still be contrary to the idea of celibacy. I’m a collectivist and an anti-individualist myself, but I’m still contrary to celibacy.

It doesn’t bother me that the Jedi are portrayed as a bureaucratic institution tied to the Republic’s government. It doesn’t bother me that they are portrayed as a centralized Order that has a unified philosophy. It doesn’t bother me that all Jedi are military leaders during the Clone Wars. What bothers me is the fact that they are portrayed as an Order that encourages celibacy and abstinence, and forbids romantic relationships and marriage. Personally, I think that one of the biggest reasons of why people don’t really like the Prequel Jedi is because they forbid marriage. Most people are against forbidding such a thing, as everyone considers marriage and romantic love as something natural. Plus, the Original Trilogy itself never implied that the Jedi forbade such things.

The same can be applied to the “Jedi must begin training at a young age” thing. I mean… Okay, the Original Trilogy implies that the Jedi begin to be trained at a young age, but there is a difference between starting to train a Jedi at a young age and having him join the Order as soon as he is born. The fact that Yoda said Luke was “too old” to be trained does not imply that Luke should have started training as soon as he was born. You could find a middle ground and say that the Jedi are usually brought into the Order when they are 14 years old, or something. This way, Yoda’s statement would have made sense anyway, since Luke was 22 years old at the time.

If Lucas had retained the bureaucratic and centralized aspects of the Jedi Order without introducing the rules about marriage and training at a young age, and had found another reason to make Anakin fall to the Dark Side other than attachment, then I believe that no one would ever think of saying that the Jedi are bad. Plus, not introducing the Chosen One Prophecy and the Balance of the Force would have avoided a lot of confusion about how the Force really works, and would have made things like the return of the Sith after Episode VI to be perfectly acceptable.

Vladius said:

This is the fantasy I always have in my head. I really hate arguing with people about the prequel Jedi, balance in the Force, gray Jedi, Mortis, etc. when none of that crap existed before 1999. Jedi were so much more interesting. They could wear whatever they liked, go wherever they liked, serve causes they wanted to serve, could have families and children. They were much more like feudal knights or samurai. You could easily imagine different factions of Jedi, differing takes on Jedi philosophy and the Force, and non-Sith Jedi villains like C’baoth. There was no Chosen One prophecy, so Luke’s adventures after RotJ were just as eventful and important as anything before.

People who are into the prequel Jedi are easily impressed by what they think is Lucas subtly criticizing problems that he made up. They have no concept that their ideas are stuck in a box when compared with all the possibilities that were getting explored pre-1999. Even KOTOR takes the wild and crazy Tales of the Jedi era and crams prequel Jedi into it.

I do think Palpatine was intended to be a Sith, though. Once the Sith and the concept of Sith Lords existed, I’m fairly certain that Vader and Palpatine were integrated into it.

Even though I am a Prequel fan, I pretty much agree with this. I, too, would have preferred if the Jedi were depicted like in the pre-1999 EU, especially like in the Tales of the Jedi comics. No Chosen Ones, no Balance of the Force, no strict rules against marriage and romance in general, and no Mortis. Like, I don’t mind the Jedi being depicted as a centralized Order who participated in the Clone Wars, had a unified philosophy and served the Republic, but I think that the rule against marriage and the Chosen One Prophecy shouldn’t have been introduced, and that they should have found another cause for Anakin’s fall to the Dark Side. Without the Chosen One thing, the Balance of the Force and the rule against marriage and romance, I think that the Force and the Jedi in general would be way less controversial today.

First things first, I want to start with some positivity. I think that the characters are likeable and relatable, and I think that the stories are very entertaining. I’m able to enjoy every single episode, even the more childish episodes from the first season. Everything about this show is just so likeable, and I absolutely love watching it. It makes me smile every time. The show will always have a special place in my heart, because it was the first Star Wars show I have watched after watching the main films. It will always bring back very good memories. However, even though I like the show very much, and even though I think that the show is good in itself, I don’t think it fits very well with the Star Wars universe as a whole, and I really can’t manage to see it as part of the actual Star Wars universe. Let me explain why.

First of all, I don’t think that Anakin’s portrayal in the show can be reconciled with his portrayal in the Prequel Trilogy. It’s not that I don’t like the character per se, it’s just that he is not Anakin Skywalker. I can’t reconcile his portrayal in the Prequels with his portrayal in TCW, they feel like very different characters to me. In order to stay more in line with what’s depicted in the films, TCW’s portrayal of Anakin should have been a mixture between Anakin from Attack of the Clones and Anakin from Revenge of the Sith. Then, they should have made him mature and become more and more like Anakin from the beginning of Revenge of the Sith as the series progressed. Instead, they just portrayed him as Anakin from Revenge of the Sith from the very beginning. And this, in my opinion, is not very believable.

Sure, I know that Anakin was not always likable in the Prequel Trilogy. But, showing how he went from the unlikable guy we see in Attack of the Clones to the likable guy we see at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith would have been more impactful. Instead, they just showed him as a likable guy from the beginning. Which, again, is not a bad thing per se, but is not consistent with what is shown in the Prequel Trilogy. Just like Luke Skywalker from the Sequel Trilogy can be described as Jake Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker from TCW can be described as Aniken Skywoka. Not to mention, Mat Lanter’s voice doesn’t resemble Hayden Christensen’s voice at all, and this makes the character feel even more like a totally different character than the one we see in the Prequel Trilogy.

I personally think that Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars series did a better job with Anakin. In the first episodes of Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars, Anakin is portrayed more similarly to how he was portrayed in Attack of the Clones. But, after receiving the rank of Jedi Knight, he becomes more confident and more heroic, and in the last episodes he is depicted more similarly to how he was depicted at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith, he is more calm, more heroic and less whiny. Anakin’s evolution in the original Clone Wars series was more linear and more in line with what is shown in the Prequel Trilogy, and it worked way better, in my opinion. Again, I’m not saying that Anakin’s portrayal in TCW is bad per se, I’m just saying that he doesn’t seem like the same character that we see in the Prequels, and that we needed proper context, and a progressive character evolution.

Other than Anakin’s portrayal, another thing I don’t really like about the show is the very fact that Anakin has a padawan. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Ahsoka is a bad character, I have nothing against the character in itself. All I’m saying is, she should not have been Anakin’s padawan, because the idea of Anakin having a padawan does not fit very well with the Prequel Trilogy, in my opinion. In fact, when you watch the Prequel Trilogy, you never, ever get the impression that Anakin could have had a padawan between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Never. In Revenge of the Sith, the notion that Anakin had a padawan is not even alluded to, by anyone. And it wouldn’t make any sense not to mention it, because having an apprentice is a pretty important thing. After all, we are talking about Anakin Skywalker, The Hero With No Fear, the Chosen One of the Jedi Order, and the literal protagonist of the Prequel Trilogy itself. The fact that he had a padawan should be an important element story-wise, and you would expect it to be mentioned. So, talking from an in-universe perspective, you can reasonably assume that, by the time of Revenge of the Sith, no one had any clue of the fact that Anakin had a padawan during the Clone Wars, not even Anakin himself. Therefore, I think that trying to retroactively insert Ahsoka as Anakin’s padawan feels pretty stretched. It doesn’t work very well, in my opinion. It would have made far more sense if Ahsoka was Plo Koon’s padawan, and only appeared in the episodes where Plo Koon was involved.

Other than Ahsoka being Anakin’s apprentice, I also don’t like the way they portrayed General Grievous. I’m perfectly aware that George Lucas wanted the character to be more cartoonish, and I’m perfectly aware that it would be unrealistic to expect Grievous to be portrayed in the same way he was portrayed in the original Clone Wars cartoon. But, I’m of the opinion that there is always a limit, and there is always a middle ground. A character can have cartoonish trades, and still feel intimidating. Instead, the writers just portrayed Grievous as totally incompetent and coward, without any badass quality whatsoever. In my opinion, an ideal portrayal of the character should have been a mixture between Grievous from the 2003 series and Grievous from Revenge of the Sith. This way, he could have been portrayed as competent and efficient, but also as a cartoonish villain who runs away when his plans fail.

Another thing that felt unnecessary was Darth Maul’s return. But, I don’t want you to get me wrong. Actually, I have nothing against the idea of Darth Maul coming back from the dead. What doesn’t work, in my opinion, is making him to be active during the Clone Wars era. No one mentions him in Revenge of the Sith. No one mentions the fact that he is still alive and is now ruling over Mandalore, although it should be an important thing. So, talking from an in-universe perspective, you can reasonably assume that no one had any clue of the fact that he was still alive by the time of Revenge of the Sith. Therefore, if you want to bring him back so badly, you should do that after Revenge of the Sith itself, not before.

The old Expanded Universe writers understood this, and when they brought Maul back from the dead in the Old Wounds comic, they made the comic itself to happen after Revenge of the Sith. In that comic, it is explained that Darth Maul wanted to get revenge, so he searched for Obi-Wan the entire time, but without managing to approach him (given that he was always on the move, especially during the Clone Wars). Then, he found Obi-Wan on Tatooine, had a duel with him, and was killed by Owen. That story is a self-contained story, that has no impact on anything that came before and after it, and it’s the best way they could have broth Darth Maul back from the dead. And, even though it was technically never considered Canon to begin with, it can perfectly fit with the Prequel Trilogy.

So, I’m not against the idea of bringing Darth Maul back, but they shouldn’t have made him to be active during the Clone Wars, because it feels pretty stretched, especially because no one mentions him in Revenge of the Sith, although he should be mentioned. If they wanted to have a powerful Dark Side user who controlled a criminal syndicate and took control of an entire planet, then it would have been better to use Savage Opress instead of Maul. They should have just given to Savage the role that Maul fulfilled in the show. Sure, I know that it was George Lucas who wanted Maul to be active during the Clone Wars, but this doesn’t matter. The idea of him being active during the Clone Wars era still feels stretched, and still doesn’t work with the Prequel Trilogy, in my opinion

Finally (and I know that this is a pretty hot take), I don’t like the way they portrayed the Clones. In Attack of the Clones, it is established that the Clones are genetically engineered soldiers, who obey any order without question. The Clones are not portrayed as individual, emotional creatures in the films, and in my opinion the writers of the show should have stayed faithful to the way the Clones were portrayed in the films. This way, there wouldn’t have been any need to introduce the inhibitor chips, and the majority of the Clones would have obeyed Order 66 just because they were ordered to do so by the Supreme Chancellor. It would have been more faithful to what’s depicted in the films, and in my opinion it would have been way more impactful. In fact, it would have added even more complexity to the Clones. If the Clones are portrayed as genetically engineered soldiers who obey any order, this could have allowed the audience to see how evil the Sith were, given that they were the ones who ordered the creation of the Clone Army in the first place. Moreover, it would have allowed the audience to see how much corrupt the Republic was, given that absolutely no one in the Senate was against the idea of using a slave army of biological, emotionless robots. It would have added a lot more depth to the Prequel era as a whole. Of course, I’m not saying that I hate the way they portrayed the Clones in TCW, I’m just saying that I would have preferred if they stayed fateful to what’s depicted in the films.

All in all, I think that the show is fine in itself. As I said at the beginning, I think it is very entertaining and enjoyable. But I tend to view it more as a “what if” universe that is disconnected from the main universe, because I don’t feel it fits very well with the universe that is established in the films.

During the last months, I have changed my mind about a couple of things. Specifically, I have abandoned my Legends purism, and I have decided to include what is - in my opinion - the best material from Disney’s New Canon, even though the majority of my personal Canon is still made up of Legends material. I have also changed my mind about a couple of Legends stories, and I decided to eliminate the stories I actually never really cared about.

So, here’s my updated personal Canon:

• Tales of the Jedi (comics)
• Knights of the Old Republic (comics)
• Knights of the Old Republic I
• The Old Republic: Revan
• Knights of the Old Republic II
• Star Wars: The Old Republic
• The Darth Bane Trilogy
• Darth Plagueis (novel)
• Republic comics (issues 1 to 6)
• Episode I: The Phantom Menace
• Bounty Hunter
• Jango Fett: Open Seasons
• Republic comics (issues 7 to 49)
• The Approaching Storm
• Episode II: March of the Clones
• Republic Commando (video game)
• Republic Commando (novel series)
• The Clone Wars (2002 video game)
• Republic comics (from issue 50 to 83)
• Star Wars: Jedi (comic series)
• Star Wars: General Grievous (comics)
• Star Wars: Obsession (comics)
• Jedi Trial (novel)
• Star Wars: Brothers in Arms
• Labyrinth of Evil
• Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
• Kenobi (novel)
• Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader
• Star Wars: Purge (comic series)
• Old Wounds (comic)
• Star Wars: Andor
• Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
• Episode IV: A New Hope
• Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
• Shadows of the Empire
• Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
• The Thrawn Trilogy
• The Jedi Academy Trilogy
• The Hand of Thrawn Duology
• Star Wars: Union
• Junior Jedi Knights (series)
• Young Jedi Knights (series)

In case you are wondering, March of the Clones is my fan edit of Attack of the Clones. While I don’t entirely dislike the original version of the movie, I think it could be improved by trimming some dialogue, slightly modifying certain scenes, and restoring some of the deleted scenes. Therefore, I created my own fan edit, which is Canon above the original version of the movie in my head, because I personally think that my own version is better than the original version. I’ve come to accept The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith for what they are, so I will not create fan edits of those movies. But my edit of Episode II still remains.

I still don’t accept TCW as part of my personal Canon. Don’t get me wrong, I think that it’s a great show on its own, I find the characters to be relatable and the stories to be very entertaining. However, I don’t think it fits very well with the Prequel Trilogy, both stylistically and in tone. Therefore, I still prefer to replace TCW with the old Clone Wars comics by Dark Horse, because they feel more in line with the movies and the overall universe. I tend to view TCW like a “What If” scenario, which takes place in a parallel universe where the Prequel Trilogy happened differently. And along with TCW, I also don’t accept the original Clone Wars cartoon, not anymore. Yes, it is a great cartoon on its own, but you can’t take it seriously in the context of the Star Wars universe. Everyone is extremely overpowered, to the point of being ridiculous. It clearly doesn’t work as real, actual Star Wars. Not to mention, I prefer Labyrinth of Evil over the last episodes of the mini-series, and Anakin’s knighthood is already confirmed in Jedi Trial, therefore I don’t need to watch it in the original series (even though I loved the scene from the cartoon).

I don’t accept Dark Empire too, for obvious reasons.

And finally, I have decided to give up on The Force Unleashed. It is a great game on its own, but over time I have come to prefer the idea that the Rebel Alliance was created by normal people, who wanted to fight the Empire. Not every single organization in the Galaxy needs to be created by Force users.

of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

‘Star Wars: De-Incest Edition’

Leia is not Luke’s brother- snip out all the pieces of dialogue that say so.

At the top of my head only includes: Some of the stuff Ghost Obi-Wan tells Luke on Dagobah, some of what Luke says to Leia on Endor, and the baby Leia in Episode III (which I know isn’t OT, but still).

None of this would diminish Leia’s role in any of the films and would remove the incest-y details.

Wouldn’t it be simpler to just remove the kiss in ESB? This way, there isn’t incest and you don’t need to modify nothing but a single scene.

Nilbog said:

If starting from scratch: I’d use George Lucas’ story treatments.

Nah, they are terrible.

I perfer the PT lightsaber duels over the OT lightsaber duels.

I personally don’t like the idea. I think that Canon and Legends should stay separate. If someone wants to create a head-canon in which he mixes some Canon stories and some Legends stories, then that’s fine, but to take the two universes as a whole and try to merge them is a bad idea, in my opinion.

TiiN said:

RogueLeader said:

I don’t remember if it was someone here or on YouTube, but someone achieved this exact idea before, so it is definitely doable without voice Ai or anything.

EDIT: I did find a version of this idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GvpT_7BMAc

I can remember to this edit. The editing is nice and the idea is good.

But when Padme no longer has any meaning for him, why he ask about her?

I’ll quote myself:

The idea is that Vader’s reasoning is more or less like this: “Is she alive? Then I’ll keep her at my side and force her to agree with me. Is she dead? Then I can do without her.” Indeed, we see Vader reasoning like this already when he is on Mustafar, when he tells Padmé to join him and basically has no problem choking her. The Dark Side has twisted his mind so much that he no longer sees Padmé as a person, but as a mere object that he can use the way he sees fit.

Anakin and Aayla Secura would make a nice couple.

One of the most popular criticisms of the Prequels is that “George Lucas can’t write romantic dialogue and can’t create well-written love stories.” And while I partially agree with this criticism, I personally don’t see it as black and white as the majority of Prequel critics view it. Personally, I think that Anakin and Padmé’s love story has everything necessary to be a very compelling and well-written love story, it just needs to be refined and trimmed. The proof of this is the fact that you don’t need to rewrite the entire love story to make it work, you just have to create simple fan edits. And you don’t even need to modify the majority of the romantic scenes, you just need to modify a couple of scenes in order to make the love story to be more fluid, compelling, and likable. If Anakin and Padmé’s love story was bad at its core, then creating fan edits would not improve it at all. But that’s not the case, and creating fan edits is more than enough to improve it. This, in my opinion, proves that George Lucas is not entirely bad at writing love stories. He has the basics, he just needs someone else to refine what he has done.

RogueLeader said:

I don’t remember if it was someone here or on YouTube, but someone achieved this exact idea before, so it is definitely doable without voice Ai or anything.

EDIT: I did find a version of this idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GvpT_7BMAc

The scene is very good, but unfortunately the music is not the same, so I don’t think this scene could be used in an actual edit. We would need to change the whole score.

leftshoe18 said:

Why would he ask if she’s safe and then immediately dismiss it?

I think if you wanted to get that point across it would be better to just not address the Padme situation at all.

The idea is that Vader’s reasoning is more or less like this: “Is she alive? Then I’ll keep her at my side and force her to agree with me. Is she dead? Then I can do without her.” Indeed, we see Vader reasoning like this already when he is on Mustafar, when he tells Padmé to join him and basically has no problem choking her. The Dark Side has twisted his mind so much that he no longer sees Padmé as a person, but as a mere object that he can use the way he sees fit.

I had a very interesting idea.

My idea is to modify the lines that Vader says when Palpatine tells him that Padmé is dead. My idea is to modify the lines, so that it appears that the Dark Side has blinded Anakin so much, that he doesn’t even care anymore about whatever Padmé is alive or not. The Dark Side has twisted his mind so much, that he has completely forgotten why he joined the Dark Side in the first place: to save Padmé. Now saving Padmé is no longer his priority, all he cares about is power, ruling the Galaxy and doing things his own way. Therefore, I propose an alternate version of the dialogue between him and Palpatine at the end of Revenge of the Sith.

The dialogue would be more or less like this:

Vader: Where is Padmé? Is she safe? Is she alright?
Palpatine: It seems that in your anger you killed her.
Vader: [Pauses for a couple of seconds] Her name… has no longer any meaning for me.

We just cut the whole “NOOOOOO” thing, as well as Vader’s rage at the medical droids.

Do you think something like this could be achieved through AI?

Okay guys, I have managed to obtain the scene. If someone is interested, the scene is here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1azu-BFUL_MLdbRpuk0-JuTlYhe5w33bd/view?usp=drivesdk

SparkySywer said:

This is in the Fanedit Care Package if you know where to find that

I don’t know…

A long time ago, someone had created a modified version of the scene in which Palpatine and Vader are on the Star Destroyer at the end of the movie, and they observe the Death Star. Instead of the Death Star, the creator of this edited scene had added a panoramic view of Coruscant, so as not to create contradictions with the Original Trilogy, and also to avoid questions like: “If it took them 20 years to build the First Death Star, why did it take them 2 years to build the Second Death Star?” Hal had originally included this scene in his personal edit, but he later removed it and put the original scene back on. However, I’m considering inserting the edited scene in my personal edit of Revenge of the Sith. A few days ago, I asked Hal if he still owned that scene, but he told me he doesn’t have it anymore. So, I’d like to know if any of you still have it.

A long time ago, someone had created a modified version of the scene in which Palpatine and Vader are on the Star Destroyer at the end of the movie, and they observe the Death Star. Instead of the Death Star, the creator of this edited scene had added a panoramic view of Coruscant, so as not to create contradictions with the Original Trilogy, and also to avoid questions like: “If it took them 20 years to build the First Death Star, why did it take them 2 years to build the Second Death Star?” Hal had originally included this scene in his personal edit, but he later removed it and put the original scene back on. However, I’m considering inserting the edited scene in my personal edit of Revenge of the Sith. A few days ago, I asked Hal if he still owned that scene, but he told me he doesn’t have it anymore. So, I’d like to know if any of you still have it.

RicOlie_2 said:

Saying you appreciate Stalin is like saying you appreciate Hitler…

As I said, “I’m not going to start a debate about this, because I have no intention to do so, and also because this is supposed to be a discussion about random stuff that people want to complain about, not a political thread.”

Superweapon VII said:

Spartacus01 said:

Superweapon VII said:

Spuffure said:

Sorry if this is too political (however it’s really not to start a debate) I said it before, but I really feel like I have no idea who to believe and who not to. The internet has made so many political ideologies present, I don’t know whether or not I should be left or right or centre or something else. Who is right? Who is wrong? Am I a bigot and don’t even know it?

Fuck tankies, fuck fash, and fuck liberalism, too. Libertarian socialism FTW.

I could be defined as a Tankie. Lol.

I’m not one of those guys who stamps everyone under the Leninist/Marxist-Leninist/Maoist umbrella a tankie. I’m not a fan of any of those strains of Marxism, but I don’t like demonizing individuals. So long as you’re not a Grover Furr-type Stalinist, I’m content to agree to disagree.

I’m not entirely Communist. I agree with the majority of principles of Marxism-Leninism, but I’m not philosophically materialist like classical Communists, as I believe in God. I still support the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc historically, though. And yes, I appreciate Stalin, but I criticize Grover Furr for some of his views (though I appreciate his historical research). But I’m not going to start a debate about this, because I have no intention to do so, and also because this is supposed to be a discussion about random stuff that people want to complain about, not a political thread.

Edit: Double post