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I would not envy someone learning it as a second language.

The problem is that you have to learn English, because it’s the most spoken language in the world, and also because everything internationally is done using the English language. If you have to travel for work in a country where the inhabitants speak a language that you don’t speak, then the only alternative you have to make yourself understood is by speaking English. Furthermore, even if you work in your own country you have to learn English, because if tourists come you have to know how to interact with them. So much so that here, in Italy, learning English is almost mandatory in order to have a job. So yes, I wish I didn’t have to learn English, but unfortunately I have to…

Squeaky Water Wheel said:

This all sounds pretty good! I do have one recommendation though. You should add the scene were Jocasta-Nu tells Obi-wan about Count Dooku. You may have to add the rest of the scene back with obi-wan trying to find Komino but I think it’s worth it. Dooku is the main antagonist of the movie so it’s good to know who he is and where he came from. It also alludes to his motivation for going against the Republic.

The problem with that scene is that the special effects were never completed, so the scene looks extremely rough and incomplete. That’s basically the reason of why no one ever adds that scene to any fan edit of the movie. All of us would love to add that scene to our own fan edits, but we first need a VFX artists (or someone like that) to finish the special effects first, and no one yet has ever tried to do that.

Don’t get me wrong, I respect your way to interpret the movies and the way you want to make Anakin/Vader’s character look like, and I obviously don’t want to say that your intentions for the movies and the character are wrong, because everyone is free to do whatever he thinks it’s right for these movies. But your Revenge of the Sith edit (and also your other two edits) is one of the examples of why I ultimately don’t like the Canon Vader and prefer his Legends counterpart. I prefer Vader being a week, pathetic man who intentionally makes excuses for his actions, even though he knows deep down that what he did and what he’s doing is wrong. I don’t like Vader being a cool badass that kills everyone and is deeply convinced that he’s doing good for the Galaxy.

I agree with what Squeaky Water Wheel said.

It seems that it is.

I hate that I’m not able to have complex, articulate discussions in English.

English and Italian have two completely different ways of expressing and structuring sentences. And since I’m Italian, I’m obviously accustomed to the way Italian is spoken and the way sentences and speeches are structured in Italian, with the result that every time I want to try to have a complex discussion in English, I can never structure well my sentences and speeches as I’d like to. When I have to express basic concepts ranging from point A to point B, I’m perfectly able to express myself in English without any problem and without difficulty in making myself understood by others. But when I have to talk about complex, articulate and nuanced issues, then I can never structure my speeches and sentences as well as I would like, always ending up being forced to give up any discussion.

I hate this situation, it’s very annoying for me!

philraid said:

Caston said:

philraid said:

1. Clone Wars (2003)- Well-animated, lots of good action scenes, and it does a good job bridging the gap between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.

It is so pleasing to see this series still gets much love and respect.

I always feel like I’m one of the few people that prefers it over the other Clone Wars show (granted more people have seen the latter), but yeah it’s really good. It still has the best depiction of General Grievous.

I also prefer the older Clone Wars to TCW.

G&G-Fan said:

Servii said:

I was expecting it to be the Plinkett reviews. Nope, it’s the opposite lol

it’s the Ego the Living Planet of Prequel defenders

Channel72 said:

The Prequels are awesome because they’re stylistically designed to be that way.

G&G-Fan said:

Channel72 said:

The Prequels are awesome because they’re stylistically designed to be that way.

The Prequels are good because they quote shots better movies.

Marooned Biker Scout said:

thxlogofan17 said:

it’s hard for me to explain, so this video explains it for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnjzVX8EKA

Rick Worley?

You must be trolling? Or you would not have posted that the video was by him, and without saying it was by Rick Worley?

C;mon, your first post on an OT discussion forum is link to a video by Rick Worley

Can I be honest? Can I be truly, brutally honest?

The attitude of many members of this forum towards those who defend the Prequel Trilogy is reprehensible in my opinion. Okay, this is an OT discussion forum. So what? Does that mean that one can’t be free to defend the Prequel Trilogy? Does that mean that one must only talk badly about those movies? I myself have been the subject of similar criticism in the past, and even though I didn’t say it openly, I was very annoyed by this. Just because I said that the dialogue isn’t as bad as everyone says, I was treated with condescension, and it was very annoying for me.

You all should stop acting like you have absolute truth, because it can be very irritating. Don’t get me wrong, to discuss and criticize other people’s arguments is absolutely okay. But to act like “Yeah bro, sure, you can continue to carry out your wrong opinions, but the rest of us, who are all superior, will continue to say things as they are” is very irritating.

You claim to be a friendly forum where everyone can express their opinions freely, and you even boast to have numerous Prequel fans on here. But paradoxically, every time that a Prequel fan who actually tries to defend the movies pops up, he gets overwhelmed with criticism and condescending, or he’s even accused of being a troll solely because he says things that are different from the common thought on here. It happened to me, it happened to Stardust1138, it happened to other people, and it’s going to happen over and over again, because this place has become an echo chamber.

I suggest you all to grow up and learn to respect other people’s opinions.

I want a complete version of the 6 SW movies without music. It would be interesting to watch, because in the real world there’s no music in the background.

I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I’ll expose it regardless.

I don’t think that the less relatability of the PT characters is due to the way the characters are written, but simply to the acting. For example, I live in Italy, and the Italian dubbing is much more dynamic than the original acting. It’s less flat, and as a result the characters seem more human. In fact, I have never had any problem empathizing with the PT characters, precisely because the Italian dubbing is more dynamic and human, and therefore it conveys different sensations than the original acting, to the point that many of the lines that are considered cringe in the English-speaking world sound perfectly natural in the Italian dubbing.

To prove my point, here there are some scenes from The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith in my native language:

Padmé confronting Anakin on Mustafar (ROTS)
https://youtu.be/jer_qlWqmHI

“You were the Chosen One!” (ROTS)
https://youtu.be/sES8yVAjQuY

Anakin meeting Padmé for the first time (TPM)
https://youtu.be/6nUGTq2mPT4

Anakin meeting Padmé again (AOTC)
https://youtu.be/2hv2uzd3Mng

The elevator scene (AOTC)
https://youtu.be/CLtl4HRzqMU

Anakin and Padmé talking on the grass (AOTC)
https://youtu.be/E_PMWp9hT1M

As you can see, the acting is much more dynamic here than in the original version.

I can sort of understand why George Lucas chose a flatter, less emphatic type of acting, but it affected the films in the long run.

The Prequels, of course!
Also, did they really make Sequel films? I didn’t know that. I thought the story ended with ROTJ…

The most annoying Star Wars argument I had was an argument about the CGI of the Prequel Trilogy.

Now, I want to make an important premise: I’m NOT one of those people who bitches about the CGI in the Prequels. Yes, I think they should have used more practical effects and big sets instead of miniatures, but I still think the Prequel CGI looks great for its time, even though it didn’t age very well.

With that being said, the most annoying argument I had about this subject was an argument that I had some months ago with a dude on the internet. In summary, I said that they should have used more big sets instead of miniatures, and that casting more real actors for the Clones would have been a good idea. His reply? “The Clones are supposed to be equal and have the same proportions, therefore doing them in CGI was the only solution to make them look equal.”

That’s the dumbest argument I’ve ever seen in my life. I mean, the Clones are supposed to stay in the background. They just have to pretend to shoot laser rifles and eventually pretend to die. You don’t need to get great actors to do something like this, just get stunt people who are all the same height and proportions as the original actor who plays Jango Fett. You don’t need CGI at all, you just have to cast 40 or 50 people with the same proportions. Hell, you don’t even need to search for people who look similar to the original actor, because the Clones have their armor and helmet put on 90% of the time, so we don’t even see their face. Just use the original actor when there are Clones without the helmet, and that’s it. But no, creating the Clones by using CGI was the only way to do the Clones apparently.

I know you said no internet arguments, but I never discuss Star Wars with real people. So…

Can I have a link to this edit? I’d love to see it.

Can I have a link to this edit? I’d love to see it.

I would have written it in such a way that it could have fit with the pre-1999 established EU. Therefore I would have depicted the Sith Order in the same way it’s depicted in the Old Republic video games and comics, with Palpatine and Vader being the ones that established the Rule of Two after the creation of the Empire.
I wouldn’t have changed the name of the characters. Padmé can’t become Nellith. She’s Padmé, and she still looks like Natalie Portman. End of the story.
Since the non-attachment rule doesn’t play any relevant role in this rewrite, I wouldn’t have introduced it at all, and I will have made it clear that the Jedi can actually marry and have a family.
I still would have found a way to have Anakin’s wife die at the end of the Trilogy, because having her death happen offscreen between the PT and the OT is pretty silly for me, and it makes everything overly complicated. Furthermore, to solve the problem posed by Leia’s line in Return of the Jedi, I would have simply established that Force-sensitives have a more developed memory than normal people, and therefore can remember everything from the moment they were born, thus explaining why Leia can remember her mother even though she died as soon as she was born.
The rest is pretty solid.

of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

1. Last Crusade
2. Raiders
3. Skull
4. Temple

Literally my same ranking lmao.

Tantive3+1 said:

Should Yoda be a present character within the prequels?

I feel that removing him from the PT preserves the revelation in TESB of who Yoda really is.

But removing him entirely would contradict ESB itself, since Yoda clearly states that Anakin was a powerful Jedi. How could he even knew that if he wasn’t part of the Prequels and never knew Anakin?

Episode VII: Set 20 years after Return of the Jedi. The New Republic is now the only government in the Galaxy and the Imperial Remnant has been completely defeated. Luke is the Grand Master of the New Jedi Order, which is different from the Prequel Jedi Order, since it allows attachments and marriage. Within the New Republic and the Senate, rumors are starting to circulate about an unknown enemy, who’s starting to conquer some planets that are located in the extreme edge of the Galaxy. The Senate is split in two: on one side there are those who think there’s nothing to worry about, as those planets are not part of the New Republic, but on the other side there are those who think that the threat is serious, and that the government should start taking precautions and arming itself, In case the invaders decide to invade the territory of the New Republic as well. Chancellor Leia Organa is among those who think the threat is serious, and will spend most of the movie trying to convince the skeptical Senators to take the issue seriously, and to vote in favour of the mobilization of the New Republic’s Army. Meanwhile, Leia orders Luke, her son Jacen, and Jedi master Mara Jade to go on a secret mission to reach those planets and determine the extent of the threat. During the course of this mission, Luke and Mara Jade fall in love and eventually return to the New Republic, to inform Leia and the Senate that the threat is indeed serious. Thus, all the Senators vote unanimously in favor of the mobilization of the Army. So Han - who’s now the Supreme General of the New Republic’s Army - starts mobilizing the troops. The Yuuzhan Vong war has begun, and Luke and Mara marry at the end of the movie.

Episode VIII: Set 3 years after Episode VII. The movie is basically a random adventure set during the war. Mara Jade risks her life in the initial battle, but Luke manages to save her in the end. In the movie, the personality of the main villain (that is, the chief of the Yuuzhan Vong) is explored in detail. Contrary to the Legends version, this version of the Yuuzhan Vong isn’t against the use of technology. In fact, the Yuuzhan Vong are a technologically advanced Alien Empire, who reached the Galaxy in the hope of conquering it. They believe in a supreme God, the God of War (the equivalent of Mars for the Romans). They also have a sacred book, in which it’s stated that their mission is to conquer the entire Universe in the name of their God, therefore they always conquer everything on their path. Their chief is a Force sensitive, and its believed to be a messianic figure by the Yuuzhan Vong people. In the meantime, Jacen Solo starts to become more and more Dark. Fighting constantly and seeing millions of people suffering 24/7 are all things that really affected him, and made him develop more and more Fascist ideals. He starts to think that the end justifies the means, and starts questioning the validity of the Jedi Code. He also starts to enjoy being more aggressive and to use power. His approach to the Dark Side is similar to Revan’s during the Mandalorian Wars.

Episode IX: Set 1 years after the previous movie. During the last year, the New Republic has done nothing but accumulate victories over victories against the invaders, and now it’s preparing to attack their last base, which is the planet Utapau. During the battle, Jacen acts in an extremely aggressive way towards his enemies. It’s clear that he’s on the verge of the Dark Side now. Luke finally realizes what’s going on with Jacen, and tries to bring him back. They have a duel and Jacen actually manages to defeat Luke. But just as he’s ready to kill him, Anakin’s spirit appears to him. Jacen and Anakin have a long conversation together. Anakin explains Jacen that the Dark Side is indeed tempting, but it’s an actual hell, and tells Jacen that he shouldn’t embrace the same wrong path he did, because it was the Dark Side who basically destroyed their family. So, Jacen manages to regain himself and not to fall to the Dark Side. With the help of Luke, they finally face the chief of the Yuuzhan Vong, and kill him. The fact that their Messiah was killed makes the Yuuzhan Vong totally lose their faith (which had already been put to the test during the war due to all their defeats), as they believed their chief to be invincible. In the end, the New Republic and the Jedi forces manage to win the Battle over Utapau, the Yuuzhan Vong are totally defeated, and everybody is happy.

RicOlie_2 said:

The belief that God doesn’t send people to hell, but that we send ourselves there, is exactly what mainstream Christianity believes (Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and many varieties of Protestantism). It’s mostly just Calvinists and fundamentalists who don’t believe that.

Look, I live in Italy, the country where Catholicism has its central base, and in all my life I’ve never heard anyone say that you send yourself to Hell thanks to your own guilt. I’ve always been taught that it’s God who decides who goes to Hell and who goes to Heaven, according to what the person has done in his life. Even during religion lessons at school (because yes, in Italy they teach religion at school), I have always been told that it’s God who decides that, not ourselves. Moreover, in the Book of Revelation it’s stated that at the end of time, it will be Jesus who will decide who can live in the Heavenly Jerusalem and who will have to perish in the Lake of Fire with Satan and his Demons. So, I’ve always assumed that mainstream Christianity teaches that it’s God who decides who deserves Heaven and who deserves Hell, not ourselves.

My beliefs are somewhat complex, but I will do my best to outline them clearly.

I believe in the existence of God. My understanding of God is that He is all-powerful, transcendent, eternal, omniscient, and omnipresent. He is the Creator of the Universe. Additionally, I believe in the existence of the soul and its immortality, as well as in the existence of Heaven, Hell, and angels. However, I do not consider myself a Christian, as I do not link these concepts to the Bible or to Jesus; rather, I see them as standalone truths.

When it comes to the afterlife, I do believe in the existence of Heaven and Hell, but my interpretation differs significantly from traditional Christian views. I imagine these two realms as other dimensions that the soul transitions to after death. Heaven, in my view, is a dimension filled with beauty and positivity, where suffering and pain are absent, and where God’s presence is most powerful. In contrast, Hell is a dimension of suffering and pain, devoid of anything pleasant. These dimensions coexist with our Universe, and within them, souls can lead a real existence, much like we do here on Earth, with one key difference: in these dimensions, we are immortal, free from the constraints of physical laws, and capable of experiencing infinite space.

However, I do not subscribe to the idea that people are sent to Heaven or Hell by God based on belief or adherence to a particular religion. Instead, I believe that God established a Universal Moral Law at the beginning of Creation, which we all feel within us. Deep down, we all know what is right and wrong. For instance, we instinctively know that murder, rape, or betrayal are wrong, even if we try to convince ourselves otherwise. Since this sense of morality exists within all of us, I believe that at the moment of death, we are capable of judging ourselves. I think that we go to Hell only if we believe we deserve it based on our actions. Similarly, we ascend to Heaven if we believe we are worthy of it.

Importantly, I do not view Hell as eternal. I believe that every soul can eventually leave Hell and enter Heaven, but only once they have released their guilt and forgiven themselves for their actions.

I also do not believe in the concept of worshipping God. I view God as an infinitely loving being who does not require worship. He acts out of disinterested love, giving without expecting anything in return. Unlike the God of the Old Testament, who demands worship in exchange for favors, my God does everything for us without asking for anything in return. I do not pray to or worship Him, but I fully trust in His wisdom, power, and the benevolence of His plan. This does not mean that you should not worship God — if praying or worshipping helps someone feel closer to Him, then they should do so. It just is not something God demands from us.

I also believe that God loves all of His creatures, just as a father loves his children. This love extends not only to humans but also to angels and, potentially, to other intelligent beings that may exist in the Universe.

Regarding angels, I see them as spiritual beings who handle smaller tasks and serve as guides to mortals, often without the mortals being aware of it. Angels, like humans, have free will, but they choose not to disobey God because they are in direct contact with Him and understand the absolute truth of His nature. For this reason, I do not believe in the existence of fallen angels or Satan. Evil, in my view, has human origins. We all have impulses to do wrong, but these come from within, not from any external evil being tempting us. We are fully capable of resisting and controlling these impulses.

In my theistic worldview, there are no angelic hierarchies as described in traditional Abrahamic religions. All angels are equal in the eyes of God and possess the same powers.

That, in summary, is what I believe.

I understand that reading my introduction may have “scared” many people, making them mistakenly think that the changes I want to make to the movies are extremely difficult to realize. However, in order to dispel any doubt, I decided to post the full list of all the changes I want to make to all three Prequel movies, to make it clear that these changes are actually not so difficult to realize, at least not for someone who doesn’t have all my problems and can do it by himself.

Changes for The Phantom Menace

1. To change the title of the movie into The Hidden Menace, but using Hal’s version of the crawl;
2. To cut out the part where Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Jar Jar visit the Gungan water city, like Hal did in his edit. After Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan meet Jar Jar, the scene is cut and we go directly to the scene where they go to rescue Queen Amidala;
3. To cut out Jar Jar’s poop joke;
4. To cut out the joke of Jar Jar grabbing the fruit with his tongue, and Qui-Gon taking his tongue and telling him not to do it again;
5. To replace the entire third act of the movie (that is, from the return on Naboo onwards) with Hal’s edit of TPM directly;
6. To finish the movie with Qui-Gon’s funeral, by inserting the credits immediately after the shot in which Palpatine’s face is shown.

Changes for Attack of the Clones

My Attack of the Clones edit is almost finished, thanks to the help of Hal 9000. The only changes I still want to make to it are the following:

1. To change the title of the movie into March of the Clones, but using Hal’s version of the crawl;
2. To replace the title of the movie with March of the Clones, but leaving the opening crawl from my edit;
3. To try to trim the Droid Factory scene as much as possible, by making sure that 3PO and R2 stay on the ship, therefore cutting off their silly moments during the Droid Factory scene and the Battle of Geonosis;
4. After the Droid Factory scene, to add the deleted scene with Padmé and Dooku arguing about politics;
5. To try to trim out the duel between Anakin and Dooku, to make it more realistic and to remove the unnecessary moments in which their lightsabers hover in the air without even touching.

Changes for Revenge of the Sith

1. To change the title of the movie into Rise of the Sith, but using the Canon version of the crawl;
2. To cut out the scene where Anakin and Padmé discuss their future projects on the balcony of Padmé’s apartment, at the beginning of the movie, thus going strength to Anakin’s nightmare about Padmé’s death;
3. To put back the various deleted scenes with Padmé and the Senators, possibly by using the best quality versions of those deleted scenes;
4. To cut out the scene where Anakin says “I want more, and I know I shouldn’t.” This entire scene has to go. Maybe, you can replace this scene with one of the scenes with Padmé and the Senators.
5. To put back the deleted scene where Obi-Wan, Yoda and Mace Windu discuss about how to overthrow Palpatine;
6. To cut “I can’t live without her” from the scene where Anakin submits to Palpatine. I don’t want to remove that scene entirely, I’d like that piece of the sentence to go. The sentence should just be: “Just help me save Padmé’s life.”
7. To cut the slaughtering of the younglings by Anakin, and every subsequent mention of it in the movie;
8. To cut out Yoda and Obi-Wan’s entrance in the Temple. I’d like Yoda to use his lightsaber exclusively when he fights against Palpatine;
9. To try to modify the reasons of Padmé’s death, possibly by saying that she dies because of the injuries that Anakin gave her on Mustafar. I actually have nothing against the idea of Padmé dying of a broken heart, but I think that making her die because of the injuries that Anakin gave her is more rational;
10. To put back the deleted scene where it’s shown how Yoda lands on Dagobah at the end of the movie;
11. To replace the shot of the Death Star at the end of the movie with the edited version of the scene where Coruscant replaces the Death Star.

Now, I understand that changing the movie titles and the opening crawls can be difficult, because Hal Himself told me it’s difficult. So I don’t expect one, single person to help me with absolutely every single change. But all the changes that don’t have to do with the movie titles and the opening crawls should be pretty easy to make, if you’re a normal person who doesn’t have my problems.
Therefore, I ask again the question I’ve asked at the beginning of the thread: is there anyone willing to help me with this project?

I love the idea of Yoda not using a lightsaber until he kills the two clone troopers during Order 66.

But perhaps he could fight Dooku by only using the Force. In fact, this is exactly what I did in my edit, I eliminated the lightsaber duel, but I left the Force duel between Dooku and Yoda intact. Honestly, I’m very satisfied with the result, and if you want I can send you my edit in private, so you can copy that clip and use it in your edit.

Channel72 said:

The “no attachments” thing isn’t explicit in Phantom Menace, but I guess it’s implied during that scene when Yoda lays out the “Sith pipeline”: Fear --> Anger --> Hate --> Suffering

The “fear” phase is definitely related to Anakin being afraid of losing his mom, because Yoda points out he’s afraid of losing her right before saying this.

I’ve seen lots of people say Yoda’s quote about fear is very profound. Personally, I never really understood it very well, because the connection between fear and anger doesn’t seem obvious to me. There’s certain specific types of fear and anger that could definitely be linked (the usual obvious example is xenophobia), but that’s obviously not what Yoda means here. He’s clearly talking about fear of loss.

But even fear of loss doesn’t exactly fit the context. Anakin misses his mom. Missing someone isn’t exactly the same as fear of losing them, which muddles this a bit.

Also… Anakin is 10. Of course he misses his mom.

This. Very much this.

SpenceEdit said:

Here’s a bit of the love story. Instead of transitioning from their kiss by the water back to Kenobi, I decided to transition to the following morning. It flows a bit better (I know that transition has been super tricky for editors) but it also goes from a kiss to the following morning which kind of implies that Anakin and Padme had… aggressive negotiations.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NoCCZoq6uipc49smsA8kBghnHxbgPzNB/view?usp=share_link

Wouldn’t it be better if there was just no kiss at all? In my edit, I’ve just trimmed out the fireplace scene and removed the kiss. This way, we go from “We have feelings for each other” to “Yes we have, but we can’t be together”, and we finally end with “Our love is too strong to be kept under control, so let’s be together anyway”. I think it’s a more fluid approach to the love story, without the first kiss at all.

Mocata said:

But the whole reason they resonated so much with people is that they articulated very large problems with the films rather than nitpicks. Just look at the whole Jango Fett subcontracting meme someone posted recently. Or the way the Clone Wars is started under such incredibly weird and suspicious circumstances. The whole trilogy is like that; strange and massive logic holes. But each to their own, nobody has time to argue like it’s 2009 these days y’know.

My philosophy is the following:

I personally manage to appreciate and enjoy the Prequels for what they are, and I understand the plot quite well. Sure, there are some things I’d like to change, but nothing so radical. So, they’re mostly fine for me. We have been discussing these movies for over twenty years now, and in my opinion we have reached a point where it’s no longer even worth discussing, because everything and its opposite has already been said. All sorts of opinions have already been abundantly expressed, therefore there’s no need to say anything anymore. Giving that internet has given us the possibility of making fan edits and rewrites, let’s just use them. You don’t like the Prequels? Fine, then rewrite them. You like the Prequels but you want to improve them? Fine, then fanedit them according to what you want to see. Don’t waste even a single minute discussing about the movies, just take them and modify them the way you want, or rewrite them completely. To each their own. When we’ll die and go to Heaven, then God will tell us who was write this whole time, and who wasn’t.

That’s it.

darklordoftech said:

If the prequels are the Soviet Union, the Plinkett reviews are Joe McCarthy. The Plinkett reviews are so nitpicky and make such stupid complaints about the prequels that they make constructive criticism of the prequels harder.

This.