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#1562418
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What if The Prequels were based on the Pre-PT EU and were more "OT Accurate"?
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Vladius said:

This is the fantasy I always have in my head. I really hate arguing with people about the prequel Jedi, balance in the Force, gray Jedi, Mortis, etc. when none of that crap existed before 1999. Jedi were so much more interesting. They could wear whatever they liked, go wherever they liked, serve causes they wanted to serve, could have families and children. They were much more like feudal knights or samurai. You could easily imagine different factions of Jedi, differing takes on Jedi philosophy and the Force, and non-Sith Jedi villains like C’baoth. There was no Chosen One prophecy, so Luke’s adventures after RotJ were just as eventful and important as anything before.

People who are into the prequel Jedi are easily impressed by what they think is Lucas subtly criticizing problems that he made up. They have no concept that their ideas are stuck in a box when compared with all the possibilities that were getting explored pre-1999. Even KOTOR takes the wild and crazy Tales of the Jedi era and crams prequel Jedi into it.

I do think Palpatine was intended to be a Sith, though. Once the Sith and the concept of Sith Lords existed, I’m fairly certain that Vader and Palpatine were integrated into it.

Even though I am a Prequel fan, I pretty much agree with this. I, too, would have preferred if the Jedi were depicted like in the pre-1999 EU, especially like in the Tales of the Jedi comics. No Chosen Ones, no Balance of the Force, no strict rules against marriage and romance in general, and no Mortis. Like, I don’t mind the Jedi being depicted as a centralized Order who participated in the Clone Wars, had a unified philosophy and served the Republic, but I think that the rule against marriage and the Chosen One Prophecy shouldn’t have been introduced, and that they should have found another cause for Anakin’s fall to the Dark Side. Without the Chosen One thing, the Balance of the Force and the rule against marriage and romance, I think that the Force and the Jedi in general would be way less controversial today.

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#1561011
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<strong>The Clone Wars</strong> (2008 animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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Let me begin by emphasizing the positive aspects of this show. The characters are truly engaging and feel relatable, and the storylines themselves are consistently entertaining. I find that each episode holds its charm, including those from the initial season that might come across as a bit more youthful. There is a lot about this show that feels innately appealing, and watching it always manages to put a smile on my face. It is a show that I will always hold dear because it was my first Star Wars series after experiencing the films, and it brings back some wonderful memories. Yet, despite my deep enjoyment of the show and my genuine appreciation for its quality, I find it difficult to accept it as an organic part of the broader Star Wars universe.

To begin with, I struggle to align this show’s version of Anakin with his portrayal in the Prequel Trilogy. While I do not find the character himself unpleasant, the issue is that he feels misaligned with the Anakin from the films. There is a significant difference in how he is represented here, and I find it hard to reconcile the two versions. Ideally, to match his character progression in the movies, the show should have depicted a transition, beginning with traits from Attack of the Clones and gradually evolving toward his demeanor in Revenge of the Sith. Instead, we see Anakin being the same character we see at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith right from the outset, which, to me, feels abrupt and not entirely convincing. It is true that Anakin was not always easy to like in the Prequel Trilogy, but that is precisely what would have made a gradual transformation so meaningful. Showing how he shifted from his impulsive, somewhat unlikeable younger self in Attack of the Clones to the charismatic hero seen at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith would have added a layer of depth to his journey. However, the series skips that development, presenting him as an already fully-formed, likable hero. Although that is not inherently a flaw, it does stray from his cinematic characterization. Just as some fans refer to the Sequel Trilogy’s Luke as “Jake Skywalker,” Anakin in The Clone Wars could be seen as “Aniken Skywoka.” And let’s be honest, Mat Lanter’s voice does not resemble Hayden Christensen’s, which makes the character feel further removed from his film counterpart. In my opinion, The Clone Wars micro-series by Tartakovsky handled Anakin’s development more effectively. Early episodes reflect the young, hot-headed Anakin we see in Attack of the Clones, but as he becomes a Jedi Knight, he gains confidence and maturity, ending the series closer in personality to his Revenge of the Sith self — calmer, more heroic, and less quick-tempered. This gradual evolution felt more in line with what we see in the films, and it worked much better, in my opinion. So, while the portrayal in The Clone Wars is not necessarily poor, it lacks the nuanced progression that I believe was necessary to match the character’s cinematic arc.

Beyond Anakin’s portrayal, I also find the concept of Anakin having a padawan, Ahsoka, challenging to reconcile with the Prequel Trilogy. Ahsoka is not a poorly written character, and I have no objections to her as an individual. However, making her Anakin’s apprentice feels forced, as there is no suggestion in the films that he ever had a padawan between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. In Revenge of the Sith, there is no mention of Ahsoka by anyone, not even Anakin himself. Given how important the relationship between master and apprentice is, this omission seems notable. From an in-universe perspective, it feels unlikely that no one would be aware of Anakin’s apprentice by that time. Therefore, inserting Ahsoka into this role feels somewhat forced. A more fitting choice would have been to place her as Plo Koon’s padawan, only appearing in storylines involving that character.

Another aspect I found somewhat lacking is the show’s portrayal of General Grievous. While I understand that George Lucas wanted him to be more cartoonish, I feel there is a balance that could have been struck between comedic traits and an intimidating presence. Instead, The Clone Wars depicts Grievous as inept and cowardly, lacking any real menacing qualities. I believe an ideal portrayal would have combined the ruthless efficiency of Grievous from the 2003 series with his more stylized, villainous elements from Revenge of the Sith. This would have allowed for a competent yet humorously villainous character who retreats when plans fail.

Darth Maul’s return is another element I feel does not work well. I am not opposed to Maul being brought back to life, but I do think his reappearance in the Clone Wars era is problematic. In Revenge of the Sith, there is no mention of Maul still being active or ruling Mandalore, even though such events would likely be significant. Had Maul been reintroduced after the events of Revenge of the Sith, it might have felt more cohesive. For example, the Expanded Universe brings Maul back in a self-contained story set after Revenge of the Sith, where he confronts Obi-Wan on Tatooine and dies. This approach respects the timeline without altering established events. If the writers had wanted a powerful Dark Side figure to control a criminal syndicate and take over Mandalore, they could have used Savage Opress instead, assigning him the role Maul fulfills in the show.

Finally, I find the portrayal of the Clones to be another divergence from the films. In Attack of the Clones, they are presented as genetically engineered soldiers designed to follow orders without hesitation. The series, however, gives them individual personalities and emotional depth, which, while interesting, contradicts their depiction in the films. Remaining faithful to the films’ portrayal would have eliminated the need for the inhibitor chip plot device, making Order 66 more impactful. It would also highlight the manipulative nature of the Sith and expose the Republic’s moral failings for using an army of engineered, obedient soldiers. Such a choice would add layers to The Clone Wars era without diverging from the films’ established themes. While I do not dislike how the Clones are depicted here, I believe a more straightforward interpretation would have enriched the story even further.

Overall, The Clone Wars is an enjoyable and engaging series. As I mentioned, it brings a lot of joy, and I appreciate its quality on its own terms. However, I see it as more of an alternative really that stands apart from the main Star Wars universe because, in my opinion, it does not fully integrate with the continuity established in the films.

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#1560996
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What is your personal canon?
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My personal Canon has changed since the last time I talked about it. In my previous post, I said:

Spartacus01 said:

It’s been a while since I last shared my personal Star Wars Canon with my old account, and my perspective has evolved since then. Currently, my Canon consists of three distinct timelines:

  1. First Timeline: This timeline includes the Original Trilogy, the Prequel Trilogy, and the entire Expanded Universe published between 1991 and 2014. However, it excludes the post-NJO novels, Dark Empire II, Empire’s Ens, the Crimson Empire Trilogy, The Force Unleashed II, the 2008 Clone Wars TV series, and any related comics or novels. Essentially, this timeline aligns with the one I previously shared with my old account here.
  2. Second Timeline: This timeline closely resembles the first, but omits The Old Republic MMO and its tie-in novels. Consequently, Revan’s turn to the Dark Side is explained solely through Kreia’s perspective — he made the choice himself rather than being manipulated by Vitiate.
  3. Third Timeline: Like the first timeline, this one excludes the post-NJO novels and The Force Unleashed II. However, in this version, the Chosen One is not a singular figure (Anakin) but rather the Skywalker family as a whole. This reinterpretation of the Prophecy allows the Sith to return after Anakin’s death without contradicting its terms, paving the way for Dark Empire II, Empire’s End, the Crimson Empire Trilogy, and the Legacy comics to take place.

I’ve also considered creating a fourth timeline centered on the pre-1999 Expanded Universe and a reimagined version of the Prequel Trilogy. However, I’m deeply attached to the Prequels and find it difficult to fully replace them.

I ultimately decided to move away from a multiple timeline system and instead focus on a single, cohesive timeline. The timeline I have settled on is what I previously referred to as the “Third Timeline,” with a few adjustments. I chose to exclude the Dawn of the Jedi comics, the New Jedi Order series, and the Legacy comics. Instead, I decided that my personal Canon will conclude with the Young Jedi Knights series. To be clear, I do not dislike or hold any contempt for the New Jedi Order series; in fact, I appreciate its storytelling. However, I find that ending the timeline with Young Jedi Knights is more fulfilling. It allows for an open-ended but optimistic future for the New Republic, for Luke, and for his reestablished Jedi Order — a future unclouded by another galactic war or catastrophic loss of life. While New Jedi Order has its merits, Young Jedi Knights offers a more hopeful and joyful conclusion, which resonates more deeply with my vision for the Star Wars universe. Therefore, I have decided to settle on a single, cohesive timeline that does include the Dark Empire Trilogy and the Crimson Empire Trilogy, but omits the Dawn of the Jedi comics and every story that takes place after the Young Jedi Knight series.

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#1560051
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The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

‘Star Wars: De-Incest Edition’

Leia is not Luke’s brother- snip out all the pieces of dialogue that say so.

At the top of my head only includes: Some of the stuff Ghost Obi-Wan tells Luke on Dagobah, some of what Luke says to Leia on Endor, and the baby Leia in Episode III (which I know isn’t OT, but still).

None of this would diminish Leia’s role in any of the films and would remove the incest-y details.

Wouldn’t it be simpler to just remove the kiss in ESB? This way, there isn’t incest and you don’t need to modify nothing but a single scene.

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#1549832
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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TiiN said:

RogueLeader said:

I don’t remember if it was someone here or on YouTube, but someone achieved this exact idea before, so it is definitely doable without voice Ai or anything.

EDIT: I did find a version of this idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GvpT_7BMAc

I can remember to this edit. The editing is nice and the idea is good.

But when Padme no longer has any meaning for him, why he ask about her?

I’ll quote myself:

The idea is that Vader’s reasoning is more or less like this: “Is she alive? Then I’ll keep her at my side and force her to agree with me. Is she dead? Then I can do without her.” Indeed, we see Vader reasoning like this already when he is on Mustafar, when he tells Padmé to join him and basically has no problem choking her. The Dark Side has twisted his mind so much that he no longer sees Padmé as a person, but as a mere object that he can use the way he sees fit.

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#1549709
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Unpopular Opinion Thread
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One of the most popular criticisms of the Prequels is that “George Lucas can’t write romantic dialogue and can’t create well-written love stories.” And while I partially agree with this criticism, I personally don’t see it as black and white as the majority of Prequel critics view it. Personally, I think that Anakin and Padmé’s love story has everything necessary to be a very compelling and well-written love story, it just needs to be refined and trimmed. The proof of this is the fact that you don’t need to rewrite the entire love story to make it work, you just have to create simple fan edits. And you don’t even need to modify the majority of the romantic scenes, you just need to modify a couple of scenes in order to make the love story to be more fluid, compelling, and likable. If Anakin and Padmé’s love story was bad at its core, then creating fan edits would not improve it at all. But that’s not the case, and creating fan edits is more than enough to improve it. This, in my opinion, proves that George Lucas is not entirely bad at writing love stories. He has the basics, he just needs someone else to refine what he has done.

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#1549681
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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RogueLeader said:

I don’t remember if it was someone here or on YouTube, but someone achieved this exact idea before, so it is definitely doable without voice Ai or anything.

EDIT: I did find a version of this idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GvpT_7BMAc

The scene is very good, but unfortunately the music is not the same, so I don’t think this scene could be used in an actual edit. We would need to change the whole score.

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#1549576
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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leftshoe18 said:

Why would he ask if she’s safe and then immediately dismiss it?

I think if you wanted to get that point across it would be better to just not address the Padme situation at all.

The idea is that Vader’s reasoning is more or less like this: “Is she alive? Then I’ll keep her at my side and force her to agree with me. Is she dead? Then I can do without her.” Indeed, we see Vader reasoning like this already when he is on Mustafar, when he tells Padmé to join him and basically has no problem choking her. The Dark Side has twisted his mind so much that he no longer sees Padmé as a person, but as a mere object that he can use the way he sees fit.

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#1549573
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I had a very interesting idea.

My idea is to modify the lines that Vader says when Palpatine tells him that Padmé is dead. My idea is to modify the lines, so that it appears that the Dark Side has blinded Anakin so much, that he doesn’t even care anymore about whatever Padmé is alive or not. The Dark Side has twisted his mind so much, that he has completely forgotten why he joined the Dark Side in the first place: to save Padmé. Now saving Padmé is no longer his priority, all he cares about is power, ruling the Galaxy and doing things his own way. Therefore, I propose an alternate version of the dialogue between him and Palpatine at the end of Revenge of the Sith.

The dialogue would be more or less like this:

Vader: Where is Padmé? Is she safe? Is she alright?
Palpatine: It seems that in your anger you killed her.
Vader: [Pauses for a couple of seconds] Her name… has no longer any meaning for me.

We just cut the whole “NOOOOOO” thing, as well as Vader’s rage at the medical droids.

Do you think something like this could be achieved through AI?

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#1548614
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Looking for a specific fanedited scene of Revenge of the Sith
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A long time ago, someone had created a modified version of the scene in which Palpatine and Vader are on the Star Destroyer at the end of the movie, and they observe the Death Star. Instead of the Death Star, the creator of this edited scene had added a panoramic view of Coruscant, so as not to create contradictions with the Original Trilogy, and also to avoid questions like: “If it took them 20 years to build the First Death Star, why did it take them 2 years to build the Second Death Star?” Hal had originally included this scene in his personal edit, but he later removed it and put the original scene back on. However, I’m considering inserting the edited scene in my personal edit of Revenge of the Sith. A few days ago, I asked Hal if he still owned that scene, but he told me he doesn’t have it anymore. So, I’d like to know if any of you still have it.

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#1548544
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FAN EDIT REQUEST THREAD - Post your dream Fan Edits Here!
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A long time ago, someone had created a modified version of the scene in which Palpatine and Vader are on the Star Destroyer at the end of the movie, and they observe the Death Star. Instead of the Death Star, the creator of this edited scene had added a panoramic view of Coruscant, so as not to create contradictions with the Original Trilogy, and also to avoid questions like: “If it took them 20 years to build the First Death Star, why did it take them 2 years to build the Second Death Star?” Hal had originally included this scene in his personal edit, but he later removed it and put the original scene back on. However, I’m considering inserting the edited scene in my personal edit of Revenge of the Sith. A few days ago, I asked Hal if he still owned that scene, but he told me he doesn’t have it anymore. So, I’d like to know if any of you still have it.

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#1547837
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Superweapon VII said:

Spartacus01 said:

Superweapon VII said:

Spuffure said:

Sorry if this is too political (however it’s really not to start a debate) I said it before, but I really feel like I have no idea who to believe and who not to. The internet has made so many political ideologies present, I don’t know whether or not I should be left or right or centre or something else. Who is right? Who is wrong? Am I a bigot and don’t even know it?

Fuck tankies, fuck fash, and fuck liberalism, too. Libertarian socialism FTW.

I could be defined as a Tankie. Lol.

I’m not one of those guys who stamps everyone under the Leninist/Marxist-Leninist/Maoist umbrella a tankie. I’m not a fan of any of those strains of Marxism, but I don’t like demonizing individuals. So long as you’re not a Grover Furr-type Stalinist, I’m content to agree to disagree.

I’m not entirely Communist. I agree with the majority of principles of Marxism-Leninism, but I’m not philosophically materialist like classical Communists, as I believe in God. I still support the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc historically, though. And yes, I appreciate Stalin, but I criticize Grover Furr for some of his political views (though I appreciate his historical research). But I’m not going to start a debate about this, because I have no intention to do so, and also because this is supposed to be a discussion about random stuff that people want to complain about, not a political thread.

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#1547406
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Superweapon VII said:

Spuffure said:

Sorry if this is too political (however it’s really not to start a debate) I said it before, but I really feel like I have no idea who to believe and who not to. The internet has made so many political ideologies present, I don’t know whether or not I should be left or right or centre or something else. Who is right? Who is wrong? Am I a bigot and don’t even know it?

Fuck tankies, fuck fash, and fuck liberalism, too. Libertarian socialism FTW.

I could be defined as a Tankie. Lol.

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#1547296
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Do you know what’s the right ideology to follow? Simple: we need a system where the politicians sit down and discuss the problem, agree what’s in the best interest of all the people and then do it. And if people don’t agree, then they should be made to by someone wise. And if it seems like a dictatorship, it doesn’t matter. If it works…

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#1546796
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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RicOlie_2 said:

But I can speak from experience in saying that there is a lot of joy to be found in life apart from sexual pleasure.

It’s not so much about sex for me, although I obviously like the idea of having sex. For me, it’s more of a frustration with a lack of female affection. That is, I sincerely want to have a serious relationship, I’m really searching for a loving, fun and committed relationship. I’m a person with a high morality, and many people even call me a traditionalist. I don’t like the idea of loveless sex at all. Personally, I find the idea of having sex with someone you’re not in love with to be one of the most seedy things ever. Yeah, I want to have sex like everyone, but I want to have it with someone I’m in love with. I’m not against premarital sex, but if I have to have sex, at least I’d like to have it with someone I have a serious, committed relationship with, not some random person I don’t even know. So, it’s not just the lack of sex for me, it’s the lack of love itself.

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#1546686
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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I have similar problems.

Although I’m 23 years old, I have never been able, not only to have a sexual experience with a woman, but also to kiss a girl on the lips. I have never even managed to get a single date in my entire life. To be fair though, this is partly due to the fact that I never felt the need to look for a girl to have a serious relationship until I was 18. But since I turned 18, the desire to find a girlfriend, to make love and to try to have a serious relationship has increased more and more, but I have not yet managed to satisfy it. However, the fact that I have not yet managed to fulfill this desire is not women’s fault, it’s simply fault of my disability, which makes me quite difficult to meet, not only girls, but people in general.

Now, I can’t explain you in detail what’s my disability, as it’s extremely complicated. But I can tell you that I’m completely blind from my right eye, and I see very very little from my left eye, even less than a 90 year old person. Also, I have to be careful when I walk among the streets or go around in general, because if I happen to hit the head or trip, then I could go completely blind for the rest of my life and lose the little amount of eyesight that I still have. So, I can never go out alone, I always need someone to watch over me and walk next to me. Sure, I can walk without anyone watching over me, but I can only do it in places I know well (like my neighborhood), and even when I can go around alone in the places I know well, I still have to walk quite slowly and be super-careful, to make sure I don’t trip or get hit. So I can’t walk confidently like any other normal person. All these problems make it really difficult for me to meet new people, make friends, and meet girls to flirt with. Besides, in my city there is no recreational association where people my age can meet to exchange experiences and get to know each other.

I’m not kidding guys, I’m 23 years old and I don’t have a single real life friend because of my health problems, as it’s much difficult for me to meet people. Not impossible, but still difficult. It’s very hard to live like this. Also, I’m not exactly attractive. So, even assuming that I manage to know a girl, what are the chances that she might see something in me? Sure, you can tell me that my personality is what really matters, that my physical appearance is a secondary thing, blah blah blah. But let’s be honest, the world doesn’t work like that. Women like men who not only have a good personality, but also look attractive. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, because I want exactly the same from women. I too want to meet a girl who looks beautiful and has a great personality, so it’s completely normal for women and girls to want the same, and I’m not complaining about that. But still, I’m not exactly attractive, so it might be even more difficult for me to meet a girl who could be interested in me.

In summary: yeah, life sucks. But at least I still have God, he never leaves me alone. Maybe, this shitty situation is just God testing me to allow me to prove to myself what I’m worth, and how much I can be capable of overcoming my difficulties. Who knows…