Whenever I go more than 36ish hours without sleep, it feels like everybody’s been replaced by robots who look and act and feel exactly like themselves, completely undistinguishable, but they’re still unthinking, unfeeling robots.
Do that but replace the actors. Revenge of the Sith would be better if the characters felt like they weren’t real. It would be super meta.
Exactly, so it’s not a native framerate. Some people say that 24 to 25 is insignifficant, while some claim they can hear the differance.
With audio, the difference between 25 fps and 24 fps is about a semitone (the difference between C and C#). It’s small, but it’s enough that most people will notice it if they’re familiar with whatever they’re listening to.
The difference between 23.976 and 24 is 1000:1001, an almost 41 times smaller difference. It’s so slight that the human brain can not perceive the difference.
If you’re worried about the numbers involved, the second is an arbitrary unit of measurement. Pick other units of time, and PAL will have non-natural number units of time, or NTSC could have natural number units of time.
If you’re worried about editing or something, what specifically are you trying to do? Put an ST movie onto VHS?
If the OT was released in today’s climate, it would receive the exact same level of ridicule as the prequels and sequels.
Please don’t mistake my comments for hating or trolling. I love all of Star Wars and I do prefer the originals to the prequels and sequels. I’m just saying the originals are often given a pass on certain criticisms. A lot of it has to do with them being well established before social media was prevalent. They are more engrained in our brains. I think a lot of classics would suffer similarly if released today.
This isn’t to invalidate the movies themselves. This is to put in perspective the amount of criticism being handed out regularly to almost everything.
Maybe to a degree. There’s a lot of criticisms that originate from clickbait BS artists who’ll make stuff up for the hell of it. The same would probably happen if the OT came out today (and in the context of being a new installment of an already beloved series).
But I don’t think it’s at all right to say that they’d get the same level of criticism, though. Speaking as a fan of a ton of things outside the OT (especially the Last Jedi), they’re not at all on the same level. The original Star Wars movies were culturally iconic and revolutionary to the film industry, in a way that the prequels and sequels never could be.
They ride off the success of the OT to an undeniable amount, and if it weren’t for the OT I doubt either of them would even be remembered 10 years down the line.
It may be true that there’s a lot of criticisms of stuff that happens in the ST and PT that also happens in the OT, but if I’m going to be honest, a lot of people (especially ones who are fans of every Star Wars movie) will take criticisms of the movies they like, and force them onto the OT.
I think the obsession modern film discourse has with a movie’s quality being determined by its flaws or inconsistencies is unhealthy, though. The OT isn’t the best trilogy because it has the least amount of problems (although I think it does), it’s because it has a ton of good qualities.
They’re a danger to this website, other fanediting communities, and fanediting as a whole.
I don’t think they would’ve gone back on the Vader reveal. That was never the intention, nor does it really make a whole lot of sense in the movie itself.
Piss.
I’d like to praise piss today
Where’s the Ewok pic from?
More Boba Fett content is something I’m all on board with, and Fennec, while not exactly prominent in Mando, is cool too. A Boba Fett side kick (love interest?) is something I’m excited for.
The OT is Star Wars - If it wasn’t solid, Star Wars wouldn’t have taken off.
If the last new Star wars we ever saw was back in 1983, the franchise wouldn’t be as popular as it is today. The originals may have maintained a reputation of being groundbreaking for their time, and a cultural touchstone, but so many young people have an attachment to Star Wars that has very little to do with the originals. They most likely only saw those movies out of curiosity about how it all started.
As it is now, all parts of Star Wars reinforce each other. Each generation has their own take on it. I’d say it’s more correct that the prequels, as well as other new content, is what will keeps people aware of Star Wars. I don’t see an end in sight, and that’s comforting.
I think it’s really the exact opposite way around: People more often get introduced to Star Wars because of the older content (usually the OT), and check out newer stuff later.
I find it a lot harder to start completely from scratch with a sequel trilogy compared to with a prequel trilogy. Even harder to build it into a coherent story. This is more of a “Plot points, aspects, and ideas I’d think about were I making a sequel to the Star Wars trilogy”.
-When a sequel trilogy takes place has a huge impact on its story. If it kicks up a few days after RotJ, it’ll obviously be very different from if it kicks up 3 decades after RotJ, or if it takes place long after the OT trio are dead. I’ll put it 10-30 years after RotJ for the sake of this though, mostly because it just gives the ST more room to breathe.
-Feel free to ditch the trilogy format if necessary. If the plot makes more sense with only an Episode 7 and 8, go with it. If the plot needs 4 or 5 movies to tell, go with it.
-I don’t like ripping off the sequel or prequel trilogy we got, but Kylo Ren’s character is great and the meta-story is kind of something you could only really ever do in a sequel to the Star Wars trilogy. Too big an opportunity to pass up. I’d keep the villain being something like that: Starting the trilogy as being someone who idolizes Vader and wants to become him. If depicted sympathetically, he can grow out of it like Kylo does, but if not, maybe he doesn’t. I’d rather that he do, though, because that’s not a schtick that stays interesting past like, one movie. Maybe two.
-I don’t like the NJO Legends stories and I don’t like sequel rewrites that are similar to it. I don’t like the idea of Luke being at the head of a formal institution, and that being how the Jedi are brought back to the galaxy. Maybe Luke has an Academy, sort of like Plato’s academy. Maybe Luke’s first students have a sort of disciple-like relationship with him. After scouring the galaxy on as much information about the history of the Jedi, he takes on a small handful of apprentices to be the next generation of Jedi.
-Luke will also be willing to teach literally anyone about literally anything - Despite Leia, Lando, and Han being unable or unwilling to make the huge commitment to become a Jedi, they’ll have learned a lot about being more Jedi-like from Luke. They’ll be more spiritual in this trilogy. This is what I imagine from Yoda telling him to pass on what he’s learned. Taking on apprentices sure, but also spreading Jedi wisdom to the whole galaxy. All of it.
-The conflict should have roots in Episodes 1-6. An idea I like is if the Rebellion in the OT was made up of two factions: One being the wealthy, influential Senators, businessmen, etc, who just so happened to not be in Palpatine’s in-group, and the second being the common people, especially from the Outer Rim, who suffered hard under the Republic and the Empire. Once the Empire falls, the common enemy these two groups have, they’ll turn against each other.
If this sequel trilogy has to coexist with Lucas’s prequel trilogy, it could also retroactively add some depth to Palpatine’s rise to power: The flaws of the Republic made the Empire inevitable, and this ST could get into those flaws. The Rebellion was NOT an Alliance to Restore the Republic, at least not to the second group.
Making the other group more and more like the Empire also adds depth to Palpatine and the Empire.
-The main characters of the OT should fade into the background over the course of the sequels, passing the torch onto the younger main characters. At least one of these characters should be a child of the OT trio, with at least one Skywalker. But they shouldn’t dominate the story in the way that they sort of do in Legends. I think the Skywalker grandchild should turn to the dark side, being the heir to the Skywalker legacy should do that to you. Maybe there are two of Anakin’s grandchildren, though, and one could be light and one dark. But keeping the conflict entirely in the family isn’t something I’d be a fan of.
Honestly, dealing with the Skywalker grandkids is probably the hardest part, because on the one hand, a Skywalker grandkid being irrelevant to the story would be really weird and jarring, on the other, having too many Skywalker grandkids in the story would be really overpowering (If you thought the canon movies being turned into the Skywalker saga was dumb, imaging an ST with four Skywalker grandkid protagonists), and on your third hand, you have two Skywalkers who’ll potentially have kids.
Maybe Leia and Luke have one kid each, and one kid is the villain and the other is a sort of deuteragonist.
-Luke doesn’t die a virgin. Not a fan. I’d also like him to have a daughter, but I’m not committed to it. If he ever had a wife, though, she’s dead by the time of Episode 7. I don’t want to set up a Luke/whoever romance and starting the movie with him just kinda having a wife would be weird. I’m down with him being gay also, but then he doesn’t get a daughter, because I don’t want him to adopt or use weird space tech to get a man pregnant in between movies. If either of those happen, it’s happening on screen, god damn it.
-The main protagonist and POV character is not a Skywalker grandchild. Not interesting. Something I like is if they’re trained by the/a Skywalker grandchild, though.
-I like the idea of Luke being out of the picture in Episode 7, because I agree he’d be way too overpowering if he was right there from the start. He didn’t go missing, though, that’s way too close to ripping off TFA. Maybe the story begins with the/a Skywalker grandkid finding the main character, and toward the middle or end of TFA is when Luke shows up? There should also be conflict between the POV character and Luke over the trilogy, and any good-guy Skywalker grandkid(s). Luke immediately getting along with them and never having any conflict is just boring.
-The main conflict has been going on for a bit before Episode 7. If it’s between those two Rebel groups like I said before, the civil war has been going on for a few months or years already. If there’s a powerful Imperial remnant, they’ve already been the biggest issue in the galaxy for years by now. If it’s something entirely new, that war has been going on for a little while now. A lot of ST rewrites spend half of Episode 7 showing us what the new society they’ve set up (New Republic, New Jedi Order, the works), and the villains don’t really even exist until the middle of the movie. Not interesting.
-The conflict of the entire Star Wars saga ends here. There can more sagas, other sagas, but this saga ends here. And with good finality. We should trust at the end of Episode 9 (or whatever if we ditch the trilogy format) that none of this can happen again. If we’re going with the Republic vs Rebels thing I mentioned, the Rebels win and set up an entirely new system, one without the flaws that the Republic had that led to the Empire, or the suffering of the people even in the Republic. Maybe with its own new flaws, but the flaws that led to the Empire, and the conflicts in Episodes 1-3 and 7+, are gone.
As I understand it, a movie not having ‘tight’ writing doesn’t mean it has plotholes per say, just that it isn’t as efficient with its scenes/dialogue/plot as another movie.
Yeah, I recognize that and kind of wanted to address it originally, but my comment was already long.
I think a good example of flabby writing would be Anakin/Padme in AOTC, where they have a half-dozen scenes which don’t move their characters forward at all in the eyes of the audience. Another is the Exegol plot from TROS, where our characters go to four or five locations just to find a mcGuffin while barely developing as characters at all. But again, the problem is a lack of character progression per scene, not necessarily how flabby/nonsensical the plot becomes. Tight writing, in this case, does not equal a tight plot. Fury Road has a simplistic, borderline stupid plot, but it packs so much character work into each scene that one would never call the writing flabby.
Nerrel’s video makes a similar argument, and I don’t really agree. At least not in principle. Just because you can cut out portions of the movie to get to the point, doesn’t mean you necessarily should.
Sometimes detours like what we have in TRoS can be used to add something meaningful to the story, or can have some memorable sequence. The problem with these scenes in TRoS isn’t that they could be cut, it’s that what they add isn’t interesting or memorable or important at all. The problem with AotC and RotS’s similar scenes is that they don’t really add anything at all.
I think the fact that TRoS isn’t criticized for dragging, but the exact opposite, having a ridiculously frantic pace, kind of shows this. And that’s also where I agree with Nerrel more, these scenes shouldn’t be cut because they’re unnecessary, but because their screentime can be lent to something else, or even just to let the movie chill tf out.
Later, Hux gives his speech and then we see the fleet jump away into hyperspace.
Scene test!
Now, I really don’t know how to handle the Resistance briefing scene. All I’ve managed to do is change Poe’s line from “Lower the shield, destroy that oscillator, and blow up their big gun” to “…blow up their base”
A suggestion: I think the custom establishing shot needs a little bit more motion. Not sure what specifically, especially because making the Star Destroyers move would be a huge pain in the ass. But maybe a zoom in would be enough.
A New Hope has tighter writing than Empire Strikes Back.
I kind of hate that movies are judged based on how tight/holey their plots are.
Like I’m not about to argue that plot holes (and whatever you want to call your criticism of the space slug sequence) are secretly a good thing or even that they’re neutral, I don’t agree with the people who do actually say that. A haphazard plot can really take you out of a movie and can often demonstrate larger problems within a movie.
That said though, I feel like more and more in movie discourse people focus a lot on the tightness of the plot at the expense of, like, everything else. People judge movies like a high school teacher grades a paper, movies start at 100 points and then points get knocked off whenever there’s a ““problem””. And it’s just such a shallow way to look at movies.
Not necessarily accusing Servii of doing this, and this isn’t even just an anti-confrontational disclaimer or anything. Clearly this is not what they believe. But I kinda thought it was a good jumping off point.
Rebel trooper battle scene and Owen and Beru BBQ is old 1970s George, not modern family man George.
That can’t possibly be true… George Lucas told us he’s a visionary who planned out all six movies he was involved with all the way back in 1973.
It’s more about the purpose of the edit. Hedgesmfg’s edit is more oriented toward rewatches, to really sell the transition. Your idea is more as if it was played absolutely straight.
It’s not against the rules if we only check one step down
I’ve been saying this literally since before Dreadnoughts were even a thing. The fact that they are makes it all the more approachable. The fact is the destruction of the Senate is important. What isn’t is the destruction of an entire star system.
Especially because in-universe, planet destroying superweapons clearly do not friending work. Why the bad guys would try it a second time, let alone a third time, let alone a fourth time, is beyond me.
Not spamming this
thread with quotes of imagesI’ve been toying around with removing the superweapon aspect of Force Awakens altogether. Hopefully I can get something working : )
I’m excited. An edit like this is something TFA needs.
How do you plan on getting Han, Finn, and Chewie on Starkiller/Ilum? There’s the “I’m just here to save Rey” thing, but they also still have a mission.
I kinda unironically wish there was a “My baby girl” reference in the later ST movies
Might fit in this thread though if Palpatine said it in TRoS to Rey
Why not, right?
I’ve kinda said since 2016 that you could combine Cassian and Jyn into one character and the movie would be a lot better for it, but I also sort of think you could combine Baze (gun guy for OutboundFlight) too.
Jyn is only really there for the plot, because her father built the Death Star. Cassian is more of an active protagonist than her, but Baze is the only character with a real arc.
You could probably combine Saw Gerrera and Chirrut (force guy for OutboundFlight) too, making the story more focused. The daughter of an Imperial scientist is taken in by a religious guy who’s an early rebel after her parents are killed. They part ways as she grows into adult, and she loses faith in the Force as she wanders through the Empire. They reunite after the Rebellion gains intel on the Death Star and her father goes missing. Over the course of the movie, she regains her faith in the Force and leads the charge on Scarif.
I FUCKING HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO WHINGE ABOUT MODERN POP MUSIC AND SAY MUSIC WAS BETTER IN THE OLD DAYS
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Things you can post here:
-Jokes or funny stories that you kinda had to have been there for
-Jokes that are really funny when spoken out loud or with a performance, but don’t really work over text
-Jokes that relied on being topical, but you didn’t think of the joke until it wasn’t topical anymore
-Probably more stuff I don’t know
This thread is specifically for stuff that was removed from the context it was funny in. If you post something whose context never really existed in the first place, we’ll all be able to tell and you’ll look like a big idiot.
Technically everything that’s died is non-living
