SparkySywer

Servii said:

Except what reason do we have to believe that Palpatine is gone for good this time? At least Dark Empire, for all its issues, bothered to explain how the heroes were able to prevent Palpatine’s return in future stories, ensuring that he could never come back to life. After TRoS, though, what is there to stop Palpatine from just possessing a new body somewhere else? Is he going to be like Sigma from Mega Man X and just keep coming back over and over again until it becomes comical?

Worth noting that the canon novelization for TRoS does say there’s really no way of being sure Palpatine isn’t just gonna come back again.

A little late on that one

TestingOutTheTest said:

@Sparky Ah, yes, suggestions for helping achieve OP’s intention while also making sure he knows what he’s already changing is inherently wrong.

You’re arguing against the fundamental ideas of OP’s fanedit. 9 times out of 10, or probably more, you just disagree with the fanedit on a conceptual level. That’s fine. The fanedit is just not for you. OP understands what he’s changing fine. You often act like you have the supreme understanding of the ST, but you’re just one person with one particular subjective interpretation of these movies.

The best thing that could possibly happen (from your perspective) is you end up hijacking their creative project. In all likelihood, you’re just gonna end up arguing for the sake of arguing.

If you truly want to give suggestions for helping OP achieve their intention, give constructive criticism on the execution of their ideas. You often give destructive criticism of their creative purpose.

I’m probably contributing to the problem by feeding it and adding more off-topic comments to this post, though.

CaptainFaraday said:

HELP NEEDED:
Here’s where I need some help - mostly technical, but a few issues with finding access to source material I need.

• Rendering new opening crawl.
• Getting access to “Cobalt Squadron” audiobook narrated by KMT, to create new Rose Tico line of dialogue (“The shuttle’s being towed!”).
• Removing music from dialogue. (“Red plomme bloom!” “The Master Codebreaker!”)
• Colour correct shot of red plomme bloom so that it’s on DJ’s jacket.
• Remove lightsaber audio from dialogue in third flashback.
• Add 4K source shot to punch in for Snoke closeup.
• Extend final group shot on the Falcon by a few seconds.

I can definitely help with the opening crawl. What were you thinking of for the text? Unless I’m dead blind and can’t find it.

I can also probably help with the plomme bloom but I’m not sure specifically what you were thinking that would entail. Speaking of which, not really sure what you mean by removing lightsaber audio from dialogue in the third flashback.

bbghost said:

Eyepainter said:

Replace the musical score for the opening crawls with Cantina Band instead.

When it works, it works.
https://streamable.com/j7ksa3

This whole video screams 2000s internet

bbghost said:

yeah idk must be a fan thing. only one i could find on youtube

Edit: I think that was my youtube video lol, I made it for a thread on OT.com that’s long dead.

TestingOutTheTest said:

The Last Jedi is a film with great ideas and themes that it doesn’t communicate clearly.

They don’t explicitly communicate them to avoid needless spoonfeeding. Imagine if J.J. explicitly had Kylo go up to the camera and spoonfeed us that he was injured and bleeding and that was why he lost to Rey.

Removed Tali and all introductions to the bombing fleet personnel - it’s more important to focus on Paige in this sequence.

It’s there to add weight to when Tallie and the others — some of Poe’s friends — are killed in the ambush.

Removed random insert shots of stuff in Luke’s hut; the scene cuts directly to his robes being folded.

It’s an establishing shot telling us that we’re inside “some kind of building”.

Reinstated the deleted scene where Finn gets his jacket from Poe, with scene transition by poppasketti and pleasehello (Hal).

It’s redundant. We don’t need to push it down our throats that Finn has to fight for the cause.

Removed Leia slapping Poe. That’s not how a good leader would act, not to mention it’s a double-standard; imagine if Han slapped Rey for something in TFA.

The difference is that Poe caused mass genocide.

Reinstated the “Luke Has A Moment” deleted scene (Hal).

I also think it’s redundant. It can be already be inferred he’s mourning Han in the Falcon scene.

Force Skype conversations: dialogue extensively trimmed. Only one line is spoken in the first one, which breaks the connection; in the second they manage to hold a short conversation; by the third, they can communicate freely; in the fourth, they touch hands.

Scene 1 re-establishes Rey saw Han as a father figure, foreshadows Luke’s death and (re-)establishes Kylo’s relationship with Luke. Don’t remember too much about Scene 2.

Cut the Robot Chicken style joke where Luke tickles Rey’s hand.

It’s to show that Rey is naive, especially when it comes to the Force.

Removed reference to Luke cutting himself off from the Force. This is such a massive idea that the KOTOR games were completely centred on exploring it, and here it’s tossed out as a throwaway explanation for something that doesn’t even need one. Having the Force was never like having a GPS tracker on you in the OT, so why would we suddenly need a reason that Leia and Snoke haven’t been able to find Luke with the Force?

Luke doesn’t want to use the Force anymore. He thinks he, himself, will make things worse. It also explains how he didn’t sense Han’s death and the NR’s destruction.

Luke’s first lesson has been pruned to focus on his opinion that the Jedi’s legacy is failure, and so is his own.

If you’re referring to the lesson about the light, that was to show that the light would still exist, even if the Jedi die off. Luke believes the galaxy doesn’t NEED the Jedi.

No shirtless Kylo japes. He just happens to not be wearing a shirt now.

It’s to show that Rey is actually seeing Kylo and not just sensing him.

Luke deactivates his lightsaber immediately in the third flashback; he doesn’t realise Kylo is awake and hears it, . VFX shot courtesy of SparkySywer.

He keeps it on because he was ashamed of what he was doing. It’s like in ROTJ when he sees his hand after catching himself harming Vader.

Removed iron/spaceship gag, using a deleted scene restored by poppasketti (Hal).

Then how are you going to explain how or where they got FO uniforms?

Used poppasketti’s editing of the buildup to Snoke’s death using musical score from The Force Awakens (Hal).

Snoke’s hubris blinds him from realizing Kylo was gonna kill him.

Removed the awkward kiss between Finn and Rose. There aren’t any romantic undertones in their story arc so it comes out of nowhere, and Finn doesn’t actually look particularly pleased about it.

That’s the point. Finn is so caught up in Rey he doesn’t realize Rose loves him, and even he rejects her because she sexually harassed him, which also reinforces that he’s still into Rey, even WITH caring for the cause.

Cut the Broom Boy scene from the ending, instead irising out on the small spark of the Resistance that the whole film has been about saving as they bond in the Falcon.

This removes the point of the movie - Luke’s sacrifice inspires hope in times of hopelessness. This also removes foreshadowing for the galaxy rallying on Exegol.

Man, I thought you’d gotten over needlessly arguing with people’s own creative projects. If you aren’t on board with someone’s ideas, move on.

This looks like a very promising fanedit, Faraday. I really like the direction you want to take the Last Jedi.

TestingOutTheTest said:

The ST is about stopping their respective returns.

In the end, what that turned out to mean was “Kill Palpatine again because we didn’t do it last time.” That’s a little less compelling than the way you describe it.

You said it

> I don’t know about this guy. Seems ridiculously modern for Star Wars.
> I wonder where this character comes from?
(looks at appearances section)
>> Master & Apprentice by Claudia Gray

Hal 9000 said:

I would also worry about unintended resonance between those two lines.

“You’re just a clone.”

“Your clone. What Palpatine stood for, what he fought for… that’s not gone.”

Actually lol’d at this

CaptainFaraday said:

sade1212 said:

But that’s the ‘real’ version of what happened. If you delete it, there’s only the two less accurate recollections, though I suppose that would add an interesting amount of additional ambiguity. I have seen a tweak to it here (though I don’t recall who by, sorry) where it was adjusted to have Luke explicitly turn his saber off before Ben struck at him, making it clearer that Luke wasn’t going to attack him, which might be the sort of thing you’re looking for.

If I remember correctly that was an idea put forward in the ST Radical Redux thread. I know someone started working on it, but I don’t know if they ever finished it. (I hope they did/do, though!)

That was me

Not very impressive, you don’t ever see the blade actually retract, but if I made a fanedit of TLJ I’d be satisfied. If OP or anyone else finds this interesting they’re welcome to use it, I’ll render a higher bitrate version.

“Luke, help me take this mask off.”

“But you’ll die.”

“Wait, shit, really? Scratch that then.”

It looks like an issue with the Blu Ray, which Despecialized uses as a source.

G&G-Fan said:

Darth_Zounds said:

When Luke introduces himself to the droids in ANH, he should call himself Luke Lars.

When Obi-Wan tells Luke about his father, he should spell out his father’s name was Anakin Skywalker and thus his name is actually Luke Skywalker.

Ok but how is that terrible? It’d help explain why he was never a target for the Empire or Darth Vader.

It’s a bad idea because it has the subtlety of a sledgehammer, and because Luke Lars is a stupid enough sounding name that attention should not be directed toward it.

Is this just a thread for “Edit ideas that acknowledge the prequels” (even though this wouldn’t even be exclusively dealing with the prequels)?

Why does everything have to be about this weird persecution complex prequel fans have? Literally none of this has to do with the prequels, you even say that. Where you drew the connection is honestly beyond me.

Servii said:

SparkySywer said:

Luke and Anakin’s journeys should have paralleled a lot closer than they do in the PT we got. More than just a few visual references. Their arcs should be more or less the same, up until Luke sees he’s going down the same path as Vader and rejects it in RotJ.

Both Anakin and Luke would start their path becoming Jedi for the wrong reasons: Seeking out adventure, and becoming more powerful to help fight in a cause. They’ll both get their asses kicked by the villain of the story, but Anakin doesn’t get the revelation of the path his father went down. Anakin will start to seek out the dark side, which will leave him better equipped to fight in a war than the Jedi’s pacifist teachings. He’d defeat the enemy in a reversal of the RotJ throne room. Without his “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment, he kills the villain and ends up at Palpatine’s side.

I definitely think that the Clone Wars should have played a much larger, more visible role in Anakin’s development. Instead of seeming like a bad apple even before the War began, he should have experienced a loss of innocence as he grew up in a wartime environment. The Jedi who came of age during the War would have been of a more warlike sort, with Anakin never being trained or taught by Yoda like Luke was, leaving him as more of a warrior than a monk. This more martial personality would lead to Anakin becoming popular among the masses during the War, being seen as a champion of the Republic, while also leaving him much more vulnerable to the pursuit of more aggressive forms of power.

I like it.

JadedSkywalker said:

What about George’s concept that Anakin was the son of Palpatine. He even had a reveal scene like Empire where Palpatine reveals it to Anakin, it was in an earlier script draft of Revenge of the Sith.

There’s a prequel rewrite on youtube where a central plot point is how Anakin is a clone of Palpatine. Anakin turns to the dark side because he’s convinced he has no free will, echoing things he says in RotJ (I must obey my master). In RotJ when he finally overthrows Palpatine, it becomes the ultimate expression of freedom as the triumph of free will. Interesting concept.

ThrorII said:

NeverarGreat said:

I dunno, Darth Vader is pretty evil-sounding. It makes more sense that Anakin changed his name at some point to something more sinister. The issue is that Darth became a title given to any goofball with a red lightsaber instead of a unique first name.

I always thought it would have made sense that Jedi adopt a new ‘Jedi Knight’ name after being knighted - kind of how Pope’s take a new name. That way “Ben” Kenobi would have been his rightful name, and “Obi-Wan” was his Jedi name.

Which would explain why Anakin Skywalker took “Darth Vader” as his name - once he was ‘no longer the learner’ - it was his new name to indicate he had completed his training.

I’ve always liked that idea in the context of prequel rewrites, but Vader gets more offended than would make sense if that were the case when he’s called Anakin in RotJ. I also thought it might be interesting if Anakin Skywalker was the Jedi name like suggested above, but then Luke calling himself Skywalker would be a little weird, unless it’s not.

JackNapier said:

In my opinion Anakin must be 22 by ROTS’ end in order for his canonical death age of 45 to work.

Well yeah, that’s not an opinion. But someone changing his age in RotS is probably also okay with changing their canonical death age, especially when they say it makes it more consistent with the OT.

There’s been a “XYZ Fanediting Ideas” thread for every movie that’s come out since TFA I think, but most of them have been abandoned. You’d have to dig kinda far to find it.

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Everyone I know who’s actually read High Republic think it’s great. At worst, just uninteresting. Nobody’s even said it’s bad. Like other people have said, it’s all just outrage culture clickbait BS. The insectoids must always remain outraged. Now that the ST has finished a few years ago, they need to come up with something else to be outraged over.

TRoS absolutely undeniably undoes the Chosen One prophecy, it was one thing when there were dark side dudes running around after RotJ, another when the Sith never went away and Palpatine didn’t even die.

This is what I think about the Chosen One prophecy though:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Have any prequel edits removed the Chosen One?

I’d say most of them have, it’s only the super conservative ones that don’t. It’s not a hard thing to remove, it’s talked about in a few scenes in TPM, mentioned once in AotC, twice in RotS, and never comes up again.

This comes down to how people view Star Wars. A lot of people view Star Wars movies as basically lore-shovels, and if that’s the case, this kind of thing is to be expected. But if you view them as movies, as stories, undoing a significant point in the story undermines the story. Oedipus Rex loses some impact if immediately after, he grows back his eyes. Why Oedipus Rex was the first thing to come to mind? I don’t know.

I’m not bothered much by the neo-Imperials because nobody bought the Empire would just go away, even before the ST, and not bothered much by a New Republic falling because, since the Republic begat the Empire, returning to the Republic means a return to the Empire in some shape or form. Although TRoS doesn’t go with that route, it says the New Republic fell because Palpatine, but that’s neither here nor there.

That’s pretty much it, though. There’s no “People need to understand that things are temporary” about death, so Palpatine isn’t really a fair thing to defend this way.

Hal 9000 said:
I recently had the idea to set up an automaton on my phone to randomly draw a number from 1 to 8192 every day at 2AM. If it’s one, it sets me a reminder at 6AM to let me know today is a shiny day.

Doesn’t mean anything, and it’d statistically likely be 11 years before it happens, but what a fun thing it’ll be whenever it happens.

Interesting idea. I might do that.

HAL 9082

You’re not an extraterrestrial being, I agree dude. That show is downright unwatchable. I’ve tried so many times to like it, I really have, but it’s really just bad.