SpacemanDoug

Papai2013 said:

Every single home video version, except the 1994 VHS, has the wrong colour grading. The colours were pushed towards blue and pink, plus desaturated. The greens and yellows, reds were too pale. The original photochemical timing had warm hues - the skin of the actors looked sun-tanned.

When you look at the 1997 VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, BD, 4K, the skin looks pale and pinkish. The yellow-brown-red tone of the film prints is completely gone in the home video versions. The 3D tried to recreate this effect in the Rec 709 colour space, but they went overboard with the reds and oranges, resulting in reddish skies. But, out of all the higher definition versions, my favourite is the 3D, though it’s not accurate.

The 4K looks no different than the pale and dull-looking Blu-ray. It’s like they scanned the negative/interpositive but decided not to work on the colour correction. The greens of the Ford Explorers should be deep green, not light green. The yellows should be stronger to act as a contrast, but it isn’t the case with the 4K. This is why many 4K buyers/reviewers wonder if they just upscaled the 2011 Blu-ray master.

I wouldn’t say the 4K is 100% like the old blu-ray, because at least on the 4K the annoying green tinge is gone, but in other aspects it could be a lot better

how far has the color correcting gone now?

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

The top fan choice for GBU can now be the 4K from Kino Lorber

With the exception of the opening producer credit (altered in 1998 for legal reasons) it is 100% the original US theatrical version, thankfully it also fixes the issue from the 1993 LD where a shot of an exploding wall was missing

Kino went as far as to use a 4K scan of a 1967 print and use the mono track from the laserdisc to restore the audio and missing shots (I’m sure they used a different source for the missing shot though)

Agreed.

A Fistful of Dollars and For a Few Dollars More 4Ks are great too. The included BDs are new, and aren’t the same BDs from 2018, and 2019, respectively.

I do agree for Fistful and Few Dollars More they’re the best but sadly not perfect

For Fistful there are some issues with the audio tracks included and Few Dollars More has not only a horrible sounding mono track but is also missing about two seconds of footage in a couple of scenes, but still they’re the best versions available

RU.08 said:

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

The 4K disc release of Jurassic Park has quite a bit of DNR. Is it from a 3D conversion?

Most likely it would be.

Correction, it is not the same, the color timing is much better than the 3D blu-ray, it doesn’t have the digital alterations the 3D one has, and the 4K has much less DNR than the 3D version

Both are built from the same 4K OCN scan but two completely different masters

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

What about this?
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Warriors-Blu-ray/311522/ http://dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=11295#3
Damn expensive though.

lacks the original mono track

Prime’s version has the mono though

That’s an extremely vague question cause there are so many that are amazing

But to start, would you rather have a TV or film preservation?

Fullmetaled said:

SpacemanDoug said:

Fullmetaled said:

SpacemanDoug said:

Fullmetaled said:

@SpacemanDoug on the blu ray you mentioned the lee Harvey Oswald ep being uncut is that the same for the evil leader and the trilogy or no?

Lee Harvey Oswald is uncut on the UK BD which I managed to get a rip off, the US BD is two parts

Evil Leaper II and Trilogy: Part II have been in two parts since the old Universal DVDs and all worldwide BDs are that way too

I made reconstructions of both of those episodes using NBC VHS footage and BD footage

So sadly the footage in higher quality is lost then. 😦

For the latter two I mentioned yes

I don’t get how any footage from the original airings can be completely lost. I mean really two episodes how was there that much of a mess up?

My theory is Universal forgot to restore them to their feature length versions for their initial DVD (due to lack of care) and it’s possible (however still up in the air) that the elements for those versions of the episodes were destroyed in the 2008 Universal vault fire

Fullmetaled said:

SpacemanDoug said:

Fullmetaled said:

@SpacemanDoug on the blu ray you mentioned the lee Harvey Oswald ep being uncut is that the same for the evil leader and the trilogy or no?

Lee Harvey Oswald is uncut on the UK BD which I managed to get a rip off, the US BD is two parts

Evil Leaper II and Trilogy: Part II have been in two parts since the old Universal DVDs and all worldwide BDs are that way too

I made reconstructions of both of those episodes using NBC VHS footage and BD footage

So sadly the footage in higher quality is lost then. 😦

For the latter two I mentioned yes

Fullmetaled said:

@SpacemanDoug on the blu ray you mentioned the lee Harvey Oswald ep being uncut is that the same for the evil leader and the trilogy or no?

Lee Harvey Oswald is uncut on the UK BD which I managed to get a rip off, the US BD is two parts

Evil Leaper II and Trilogy: Part II have been in two parts since the old Universal DVDs and all worldwide BDs are that way too

I made reconstructions of both of those episodes using NBC VHS footage and BD footage

lorang said:

Baobab Archiver said:

Actually, if anyone can access the Peacock site, could they please check if Knight of the Juggernaut or Burial Ground are in Stereo?

It’s pretty unlikely but worth checking. If you need any help to check how to easily identify if they’re stereo or not just let me know.

I just downloaded episode 1 of Juggernaut part 1 an the media info shows 2 channels

Audio
ID : 3
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 45 min 6 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 96.0 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 31.0 MiB (1%)
Title : English
Language : English
Default : Yes
Alternate group : 1

Could be dual mono

lorang said:

SpacemanDoug said:

Baobab Archiver said:

SpacemanDoug said:

Maybe the same masterings but similar in the case of Lee Harvey Oswald in Quantum Leap between the US and UK BDs it’ll be different content from the international releases

I can still keep track on forum sites if you want me to

That would be great thanks.The teasers take a few hours each to reconstruct so although I’m happy to keep doing them I don’t want to carry on if there’s no need.

Considering that both the French and UK BDs are edited in different ways I’m curious as to how Universal themselves will handle this one

There is hope since they’ve eased off of music changes for quite some time now, just look at Quantum Leap for example, Universal had to have played a part in clearing all of the music on the Mill Creek sets, knowing how much of a budget company Mill Creek is

And A-Team doesn’t have nearly as much music anyway as far as I know

I’m not holding any hope with these, look at the HD remasters of Baywatch every single HD release is the horrible music replacement release that filtered down to every web and blu ray release and HD tv broadcast, the same has happened with the A Team every time they are shown in the UK now on HD they are the versions missing the teasers, what on earth is wrong with the teasers for S2 and S3 they where on some DVD releases but note not everyone.

Yes but that’s Freemantle’s fault and Freemantle sucks

Baobab Archiver said:

SpacemanDoug said:

Maybe the same masterings but similar in the case of Lee Harvey Oswald in Quantum Leap between the US and UK BDs it’ll be different content from the international releases

I can still keep track on forum sites if you want me to

That would be great thanks.The teasers take a few hours each to reconstruct so although I’m happy to keep doing them I don’t want to carry on if there’s no need.

Considering that both the French and UK BDs are edited in different ways I’m curious as to how Universal themselves will handle this one

There is hope since they’ve eased off of music changes for quite some time now, just look at Quantum Leap for example, Universal had to have played a part in clearing all of the music on the Mill Creek sets, knowing how much of a budget company Mill Creek is

And A-Team doesn’t have nearly as much music anyway as far as I know

Baobab Archiver said:

SpacemanDoug said:
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=30648

holy shit, well I’m curious as to how these will turn out regarding edits previously made on the DVD releases

the teasers might still be missing though

Oh wow! In that case I’ll pause again after I finish Timber 😄
I will be pleasantly surprised if they have the teasers and it will be interesting to see if they have any music edits. Maybe even the Jumpin Jack Flash scene reinstated.
Question is, is anyone here going to buy it?! I can’t afford to pay for it again in the hope of it maybe being complete.
If it turns out it is then that’s a different matter

Maybe the same masterings but similar in the case of Lee Harvey Oswald in Quantum Leap between the US and UK BDs it’ll be different content from the international releases

I can still keep track on forum sites if you want me to

Baobab Archiver said:

Well this conversation has fired my interest again, so I’ve recommenced work on the trailers. Trying to remember my workflow (memory isn’t what it used to be!) but it’s coming back to me and I’m making notes this time lol

“Timber!” is in progress. Hopefully I’ll have all of season 3 done in a few months

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=30648

holy shit, well I’m curious as to how these will turn out regarding edits previously made on the DVD releases

the teasers might still be missing though

The 4K is a significant upgrade over the old BD

Baobab Archiver said:

Yes, sorry there was also Knight of the Drones in 2 parts rather than the movie. I forgot that as on the UK set which I have it is the full movie version.

That episode is missing Prince music track on the DVD but this is included on the UK Bluray (I would guess by accident).

It is also the episode that has the original credits unique to the story replaced by the standard s3 credits for all releases that have happened.

SpacemanDoug said:

Baobab Archiver said:

SpacemanDoug said:

Baobab Archiver said:

Well that is good news ☺️
I suppose the next question is, how familiar are you with the episodes to know if anything is now missing that was on the DVDs…
I know the Knight Rider set had some additional cuts on the Blu-ray that weren’t missing from the DVDs.

What exactly is missing on the Knight Rider BD sets that were on DVD?

To the best of my knowledge the John Cougar Mellencamp tracks on Give Me Liberty… and White Line Warriors were present on the DVDs but not the Blu-ray.

Beyond that I’m not sure if there was anything more.

Wasn’t there this episode where it was in its two part version that originally aired as a two hour episode despite it being the original two hour format on the old DVDs?

My guess is the Mill Creek DVD counterpart is identical based on how they handled their Quantum Leap releases

Baobab Archiver said:

SpacemanDoug said:

Baobab Archiver said:

Well that is good news ☺️
I suppose the next question is, how familiar are you with the episodes to know if anything is now missing that was on the DVDs…
I know the Knight Rider set had some additional cuts on the Blu-ray that weren’t missing from the DVDs.

What exactly is missing on the Knight Rider BD sets that were on DVD?

To the best of my knowledge the John Cougar Mellencamp tracks on Give Me Liberty… and White Line Warriors were present on the DVDs but not the Blu-ray.

Beyond that I’m not sure if there was anything more.

Wasn’t there this episode where it was in its two part version that originally aired as a two hour episode despite it being the original two hour format on the old DVDs?

Baobab Archiver said:

Well that is good news ☺️
I suppose the next question is, how familiar are you with the episodes to know if anything is now missing that was on the DVDs…
I know the Knight Rider set had some additional cuts on the Blu-ray that weren’t missing from the DVDs.

What exactly is missing on the Knight Rider BD sets that were on DVD?

towne32 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

I do know for a fact the episodes won’t be in their original form

A lot of the early episodes after the fire controversy had their original masters altered to remove fire references

It’s also possible Judge himself won’t allow certain moments to be seen again or entire episodes

Yeah. We can only speculate on exactly how things exist in the archive, what has usable copies, etc. Comedians has been broadcast uncensored in later years on VH1, so who knows.

As for Mike, you’re right that he is perhaps the biggest critic of the early years, before the characters were well established. He requested they stop airing some, and obviously left a ton off the DVDs. I recall his stance is that a third are great, a third are ok, and a third are awful.

But if Paramount are showing 200+, his cut list will be much shorter than ever. At least for whole episodes.

We know very little about Paramount’s plans, but there should definitely be some upgrades, and there will definitely be a lot of work still to do.

admittedly I agree a little bit about several of the earliest episodes being absolute trash, but I don’t agree with stopping distribution of them because trash or not they still deserve to be seen

he also apparently made a few “director’s cut” episodes on the DVD releases whenever he allowed an episode to be released but not a certain moment, I recall the teacher’s speech about sexual intercourse in the episode No Laughing being shortened on the DVD, despite being much funnier uncut

I do know for a fact the episodes won’t be in their original form

A lot of the early episodes after the fire controversy had their original masters altered to remove fire references

It’s also possible Judge himself won’t allow certain moments to be seen again or entire episodes

To those who are replying here and not PMing me, I apologize if I don’t get to you after a few days, I don’t always check the thread

But if you PM me directly my responses will be a lot quicker so to future responders please PM me directly and respond to this thread

Sure

The US DVD was censored?

phildoom said:

hello,

i hope somebody can help me, i am looking for a LOTR-cut. wich is the best? diffrent versions.
if you can help me out, pm me…

thanks & peace

ph.

If you want any official releases, either go for the theatrical DVD or BD releases as despite some sharpening issues they’re the most faithful to how the movies looked theatrically

Extended cut I’d suggest going for the 4K just because of Fellowship not having the heavy green push anymore

JackNapier said:

SpacemanDoug said:

when exactly is the release date?

When it’s done

But how much is left to do?

I saw on the 4K80 site that cleanup was done