SpacemanDoug

Conanne said:

Sorry for bumping a thread with no activity in months, but I figured I might share some extra context regarding the mixes of Akira (1988) some brought up earlier.

Akira had 2 mixes prepared for it’s theatrical release. A Dolby track for 35mm screenings and 6-track mix for 70mm screenings. Neither of which were ever released on home video, there are a few rare screener VHS copies that were probably based on the theatrical Dolby mix distributed to various employees within the industry, but that’s it.

Akira was also released practically unfinished as there were a lot of photography errors that had to be gradually fixed after the initial theatrical release. Along the way changes were also made to the film’s sound mix, the Electric Media dub released in the US by Streamline was based on this revised version too. So even the most early offical LD release is not 100% accurate to what the initial release was like (though it is the closest). The unfinished theatrical version has actually been screened in Japanese theatres at least a few times according to Twitter users who’ve attended those screenings. Some even said the initial version was going to be included on the 4K Blu Ray, but something happened to prevent it happening, I’d have to go looking for some of the posts though…

Some others I’ll add:

Thunderbirds (1965):
TV show was remastered in 5.1 surround in the early 2000s. Replaces sound effects such explosions, rocket engines, crashes and car engines. Only official releases with the mono tracks are of poor quality because they’re from inferior sources than what was used for the remasters. Some foreign dubs like the Swedish dub are based on the pre-remaster M&E tracks though. The 2 films were thankfully not affected by this because their copyrights are owned by different distributors IRRC.

Genma Taisen (1983):
5.1 track adds extra sounds into scenes with explosions and extra foley. Japanese BD has the theatrical track but I haven’t been able to find a copy of it myself. English dub is based on the pre-remaster M&E track though.

One thing I did find out about Thunderbirds was the original mixes were restored to the Shout! Factory releases

MarkQ said:

I new here and it’s obvious I’m not in the right thread. That said, the discussion is about alternate versions of the American Graffiti so I have a question related to the various copies of this film. The version I saw in a theater in 1974 differs slightly from the Blue Ray print I recently purchased from Amazon. The difference I noted is that in the closing sequence where Suzanne Somers calls the pay phone at Mel’s Drive In, Richard Dreyfuss is gone and the camera pans in on the ringing phone which is never answered. Was there ever an added scene version where he does answer the phone? From the other postings I note the clouds were added and Ford’s song in the car appears in different versions. Can some of the expert editors weigh in on this? Thanks in advance.

Idk what you’re talking about because he answers the phone in the 1973 and 1978 cuts

SlacktoryRecords said:

The forthcoming 4K disc from Warner is not looking promising, if the trailer they released is anything to go on. The final sequence is even BLUER than on the Blu-ray. I expected this for the Extended Director’s Cut, but some are saying it’s likely they used the same color grade for the “Original Theatrical Cut” (what a misnomer THAT is, if true). Apparently nothing is sacred.

Any hope for a 4K reconstruction once the discs are in-hand? At least it comes with the original mono this time.

Don’t ever rely on a YT video for the color grading of a 4K master

Yes it does look like the blue grading is still present but I bet the 4K disk itself will be a lot better

gameinn2 said:

Can anyone help me get my head around this? Am I right with the following:

So in early 2000s the MGM DVD of this had the mono track but it was deemed slightly different to the Laserdisc version.

In 2006 the Terminator came to Blu-ray (MPEG-2) without the mono tracks and this annoyed people. Was it not a direct sync with the MGM DVD either?

In about 2012 again the film got put out on Blu-Ray but this time it was a MPEG 4 AVC with much higher bitrate. This is the version people want the mono track for?

The 2001 MGM DVD utilizes the international mono mix rather than the US one

However, outside of the 1991 laserdisc (which contains the US mix), it sounds the best regarding fidelity, all other mono mastering (including the 1995 and 1997 Image releasee) have noise reduction and sound noticeably worse

DJPitaB said:

UPDATE:
While looking over these episodes with @SpacemanDoug, we discovered that there are extended versions of every episode in season 3. There is also an extended version of the series finale. However, the rest of the episodes (all of season 4 and all but the final episode of season 5) appear to have the same episode runtimes as the versions that were released on blu-ray. (I’ve edited my original post to reflect this.)

That being said, every episode I’ve checked from seasons 3, 4, & 5 has altered music on blu-ray (& streaming) compared to what originally aired.

I have started the process of restoring season 3. I’ve completed the first episode, and I have mixed feelings about the end result. I’ve tweaked the upscaling settings to achieve the closest possible look to the 1080p versions on blu-ray, and many of the shots look very good; a few shots definitely do not. (When upscaling low resolution footage, close-up shots tend to look great, medium shots are hit-or-miss and wide shots with people’s faces in them often get weirdly distorted.)

As a proof of concept, I can make the completed version of episode 301 available to whomever is interested.

If there is enough interest in the complete season and/or seasons 4 & 5 with the original music, I will continue to work on this project. (It will certainly take a lot of time, as the process is quite tedious.) If not, I’ll probably put it on the back burner or abandon it. The additional footage and extended scenes are interesting to have access to, but they’re clearly not necessary for the enjoyment of the show. In my opinion, having just done the one episode so far, most of the DirecTV exclusive content adds very little.

For those interested in what was changed for episode 301, I’ve included the list of changes below. (Note: In order to preserve the original music, I used the stereo TV audio for the entire episode, except where noted.)

List of changes:
00:00:30-00:00:35 - Extended shot
00:03:37-00:03:40 - Extended shot
00:03:46-00:04:58 - Extended shots, additional footage
00:08:36-00:10:39 - Extended scenes, credits adjustments (the beginning of this section is perhaps the best example of how bad certain shots look when upscaled)
00:13:03-00:13:08 - Extended shot
00:14:26-00:14:29 - Additional footage
00:17:37-00:17:41 - Extended shot
00:18:37-00:18:41 - Additional footage, extended shot
00:19:54-00:20:27 - Extended scene
00:25:52-00:26:02 - Used ADR audio from blu-ray, which was recorded to correct a continuity error in the original dialogue
00:28:04-00:28:44 - Additional scene
00:41:17-00:41:36 - Extended shot, re-ordered scene
00:41:36-00:43:29 - Extended scenes
00:44:19-00:46:21 - Extended scene

For the altered opening credits, are you using the full frame or are you cropping the TV footage and overlaying it on top of the BD footage?

heathen3017 said:

OTRest said:

SpacemanDoug said:

DawnShadow said:

Jim’s Marios is still edited on Amazon via Paramount+ - I assume the regular Paramount+ version is edited too unless you can confirm otherwise?

Edit occurs at 18:05 - all of Alex playing the piano, singing etc. is gone

I guess that’s the unfortunate acception because P+ is edited too

Do you have a TV capture of that scene by any chance?

Good news! The missing scene in Jim’s Mario’s is included in Pluto’s free streaming version:

https://pluto.tv/en/on-demand/series/613a6a0462aa0500144ef1d1/season/5/episode/6398f7491f9a4e0013885494

Can anyone confirm that there are no other cuts on the Paramount+ versions?

Can anyone capture this in 1080p and make it available?

it’s been released on myspleen

Considering the era in which these aired, it’s possible that these are the highest quality you’d get

But can I possibly get access to these captures too?

I might be able to help stitch these together

That DNR tho

I don’t think an edit exists

But the best physical release out there if you want something that more resembles how the movies looked theatrically, your best bet is the 2010 theatrical cut BDs

What about the episode that was excluded entirely for Booker on the DVDs?

Mango said:

After closer inspection of the 4K version of Eat It, it seems al was barely able to remaster that video, as the film elements were in poor condition. It seems to be a one time thing that was apparently only done for his new movie. The remaster is also missing a sight gag where Al’s breath causes the camera lens to fog up.

I’m sorry for the abrupt cancellation. That was my mistake. Project is still underway, and I hope to have some things ready soon.

Also as a result of the video being in 16x9 (including the black bars), all of the optical transitions are now in the 16x9 frame rather than the original 4x3 frame (most noticeable with the final “eyes” shot zoom, but it occurs a couple of other times before too)

Anyone else have the FX captures?

springfeel said:

SpacemanDoug said:

springfeel said:

Post em on archive.org they likely won’t get taken down.

Any old paramount dvd release with the widescreen banner on the bottom likely has the theatrical mix

Other titles
deep impact, black rain, Truman show, days of thunder

If you’re referring to the 2.0 tracks on those DVDs then likely they aren’t, Paramount created a lot of 2.0 downmixes of 5.1 tracks those DVDs had because at that time a lot of players weren’t 5.1 comparable and weren’t the best at automatically downmixing them

no some of the 5.1 's . I know the DVD 2.0 of Witness is a downmix cause it has the same SFX as the 5.1 and the LD has the original SFX.

Airplane and Grease had downmixes as well

Did Witness have new sound effects?

springfeel said:

Post em on archive.org they likely won’t get taken down.

Any old paramount dvd release with the widescreen banner on the bottom likely has the theatrical mix

Other titles
deep impact, black rain, Truman show, days of thunder

If you’re referring to the 2.0 tracks on those DVDs then likely they aren’t, Paramount created a lot of 2.0 downmixes of 5.1 tracks those DVDs had because at that time a lot of players weren’t 5.1 comparable and weren’t the best at automatically downmixing them

ailI said:

The theatrical Dolby Stereo 2.0 mix for Star Trek: The Motion Picture is on its laserdisc.

The Special Longer Cut on the complete adventure 4K set essentially has the original mix too but is exclusive to that cut

The theatrical cut on the same disk is the same 7.1 track as before

MonkeyLizard10 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

does anyone have the full run of the FX captures?

I don’t need the SOAPnet versions because I already have those, but I am interested in the FX recordings, particularly with season 5

supposedly some alternate footage aired in that run for that season

I probably have some to all of S5 on VHS.
I don’t know offif they would be like the SOAPNet or FX or maybe neither.

Can you PM me what you have?

does anyone have the full run of the FX captures?

I don’t need the SOAPnet versions because I already have those, but I am interested in the FX recordings, particularly with season 5

supposedly some alternate footage aired in that run for that season

Williarob made a reconstruction

DawnShadow said:

Jim’s Marios is still edited on Amazon via Paramount+ - I assume the regular Paramount+ version is edited too unless you can confirm otherwise?

Edit occurs at 18:05 - all of Alex playing the piano, singing etc. is gone

I guess that’s the unfortunate acception because P+ is edited too

Do you have a TV capture of that scene by any chance?

I’ve seriously never heard this before

project is cancelled

the entire show run was added to Paramount+ as of February 2023, all episodes are uncut too (minus the Taxi Celebration clip show episode which is still two parts) so the original versions are no longer exclusive to syndication or old network recordings

TheHutt said:

From Turbine’s Facebook:

"EXPERTS WANTED!

Maybe some of you have already heard: We are now working on a Blu-ray edition of THE A-TEAM. As KNIGHT RIDER has shown, this takes time, so please don’t misunderstand this post as a release announcement. But to make this thing perfect, we’d appreciate the support of fans and experts, hence we wanted to reach out as early as possible. If you know THE A-TEAM inside/out, if you know details about cuts, edits and other changes and whatnot, then please contact our label manager Wolf Jahnke via email at jahnke @ turbine.de.We want to put together a small team with which we can create the ultimate edition. If you know someone who might know someone, you are of course welcome to link in the comments.We would be very happy about your support, because we love it when a plan comes together 😉"

Where would I possibly contact them?

I wanna inform them about the issues with Quantum Leap, particularly with the missing footage for Trilogy: Part 2 and Evil Leaper II

the new 4K master of Cinderella is glorious

unfortunately the mono mix is excluded

Funny how just two years ago the theatrical cut finally got its first HD physical release with the 4K remaster, even has the original Saul Bass logo for both cuts

I guess the only thing that would still be worthy of this version is it does have the original stereo mix, since the 4K only has a 5.1 track (not that it’s really revisionist to begin with, it appears to just be a remixed version of the stereo track)

The 2006 DVD is the best one if you want any official copies

It’s split across two disks but is still a significant upgrade over the non-anamorphic single DVD from 1998