SpacemanDoug

Decided to upload a brief comparison of the mono on Rosemary’s Baby from both the Criterion and UK Paramount blu-ray.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqOO3fty1Q0
the Criterion mono is hiss and bass reduced so it sounds real flat, but the Paramount blu-ray (from the same master) is free of either and sounds a lot more lively and detailed as a result

Wazzles said:

SpacemanDoug said:

The Godfather Part III in theaters originally ran at 162 minutes, but for all home video releases a 170 minute “final director’s cut” (it says this only on the VHS cover even though DVD and blu-ray versions are the same) was created while the 162 minute version never made available on home video at least in the US (idk about international home video releases)

That could possibly qualify on this list even though I can’t find any comparisons on any website.

Can you get me a source? If you can’t find one, I’ll put it there anyway, but I don’t want to edit it twice 😁

first of all here’s an IMDB link:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099674/alternateversions?tab=cz&ref_=tt_trv_alt

on this link right before it goes into the video and audio quality reviews it says: “As in all home video releases to date, though not specified and oddly never rerated by the MPAA, Part III is presented exclusively in a director’s cut running nine minutes longer than the theatrical edit.”
https://www.dvdizzy.com/thegodfatherpartIII.html

and here’s another link I found regarding another third version being made and the director’s cut being mentioned
https://www.movie-censorship.com/news.php?ID=14670

here’s a picture of the original VHS cover
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Uc%2B4RjsQL.SX425.jpg

here’s one final link mentioning the director’s cut of 3
https://theasc.com/ac_magazine/May2008/PostFocus/page1.html

to quote: “After working through The Godfather and Part II, the team turned to the much more recent Part III (1990), which required no restoration at all; they did a digital intermediate (DI) to create the director’s cut, a version that previously existed only on home video.”

The laserdisc isn’t even perfect as some are making it out to be. The LD mono accidentally excludes a line of dialogue during the scene where they’re pulling the cage up from under the water. In the original version you were able to here Brody quietly say “Yeah”, but on the LD mono it was omitted. Note that the line is restored on the 2005 DVD and BD mono versions.

Blu-ray includes the original stereo audio as a second option if you go into the audio settings at the menu

The Godfather Part III in theaters originally ran at 162 minutes, but for all home video releases a 170 minute “final director’s cut” (it says this only on the VHS cover even though DVD and blu-ray versions are the same) was created while the 162 minute version never made available on home video at least in the US (idk about international home video releases)

That could possibly qualify on this list even though I can’t find any comparisons on any website.

springfeel said:

IT would probably be too much work but i wouldn’t mind syncing the original audio to the directors cut , I’ve never seen the original but it sounds like modernized effects were added to the DC.

I mean if you have the time and patience to do it then be my guest, but if you do it though please share it in PMs with me

riftamos said:

springfeel said:

IT would probably be too much work but i wouldn’t mind syncing the original audio to the directors cut , I’ve never seen the original but it sounds like modernized effects were added to the DC.

The real question is if you want original audio on the Directors cut or a proper release of the Theatrical cut. The only place to get truly un-altered copy of the film is the Japanese Laserdisc with a reported uncut run time of 99 minutes.

The UK dvd release is purportedly a theatrical cut of the film (listed at 95 minutes) but it is PAL formated and therefore sped up - the audio will not sync with the Bluray releases. Doing an NTSC conversion to slow the frame rate and resync / retone the audio would be a project but it’s been done before.

I’m hoping MrBrown will share a copy of the UK dvd with me so I can look at slowing it back to the original run time.

I believe the US Laserdisc lands somewhere in between, it has a 96 minute run time but lacks the “Four Tops” soundtrack, however, I believe it does have some scenes and dialog that were later cut and the original sound effects.

I’d still offer to split costs on the Japanese Laserdisc - I’d like to apply some video processing to it and do a 720p scale, I think it will come out quite nicely.

I actually did take care of slowing it down back to its original NTSC speed and uploaded it on MySpleen

Was wondering if anyone here has access to at least the first DVD release of Fast Times because the 5.1 blu-ray mix has a bunch of replaced sound effects and no original mono. (laserdisc would not be a good source considering it most likely has song changes)

kchrules said:

SpookyDollhouse said:

The sepia scenes were lost in a fire. A black and white dupe has been used since and re-colored.

Interesting, I have a LD of Wizard of Oz from 1983 and the opening pre-Oz is black and white but the transition to Oz is sepia. Always wondered why some copies of the movie were sepia and some were grayscale

literally how they did that was for that specific shot whenever it transitions into the color what they did was get a double of Judy Garland, did her clothes and skin to make it look sepia, and paint the set of the interior of the house sepia that way it’s possible that it looks like a transition into a color world when in fact it’s not, it was in color this whole time it was just visual trickery (and the reason for the double is cause Garland was off camera for the sepia part of the shot, and after the double walked off camera then Garland came on wearing her colored clothes)

riftamos said:

I’m still going to rip the US Laserdisc now that I’ve got the player and the disc out.

I’ve also got a lead on a copy of the Japanese LD - NTSC 99min. Happy to split costs on that if people want to see it ($45 + $10 shipping)

just PM it to me when it’s ready, thanks for ripping it

Mr. Brown gave me a rip of the UK DVD of the theatrical version, so I gotta thank him for providing me with this.

springfeel said:

I’d like to to just see them uploaded to YouTube as deleted scenes.

that’ll be practically impossible because most of the cuts are just dialogue or extra shot cuts, only a few instances where actual scenes were deleted

MrBrown said:

I do not know… I ordered one from ebay… May tell you when I get it… I am a bit confused… What song is the new one… And on which scenes?

the original version of the movie had The Same Old Song by the Four Tops play during the jukebox scenes and the end credits, but VHS releases changed it to a cover of I’m a Believer due to rights issues, and all current versions restore the use of The Same Old Song even though it’s no longer the theatrical version

MrBrown said:

Sadly the UK one is pan and scan version of the original cut:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00004W4H4/

do you happen to know if it contains It’s the Same Old Song instead of I’m a Believer like from the VHS release?

Basically since the first DVD release, the only version available was a slightly shortened director’s cut. Which is about 3 minutes shorter and contained several alterations to the sound mix, like replacing gunshots and a few other things. There hasn’t been a re-release of the original theatrical version since VHS/Laserdisc (yes I know they contain a song being replaced in a couple of scenes) which is a shame considering how good the movie is. I was wondering if anyone has access to a laserdisc rip of the movie or can possibly upload one in the future. I do have the VHS myself but unfortunately I don’t have the technology to rip its contents.

crissrudd4554 said:

Blu Ray 1977 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I believe Fast Times at Ridgemont High had some changes as well. Some home video releases had different songs due to licensing but I think this was resolved by the time the film made it to DVD. The surround mix first introduced on the 2005 DVD had some minor effects changes I believe. That DVD as well as the BD does not have the mono. The original DVD and the High School Reunion DVD as far as I know has the correct original mono!

It’s me Pete 1972! You remember when we commented on the Jaws videos? Looks like another film is getting the audio revisionism treatment. According to Digital Bits and some fans, Batman 89’s Dolby Atmos mix has a lot of changes with the sound effects. Gun shots have been altered and the starting up of the Batmobile is changed too. Also Digital Bits said that the Dolby 5.1 on the 4K is a downmix and not the 5.1 that was on the previous Blu Ray.

Figures. (Rolls eyes) Apparently the 4K release of Blade Runner also has audio revisions though I’m not sure off hand what they are.

And yes I do remember you. Nice to see ya again!

actually the audio revisions on Blade Runner date back to when the 2007 Blu-ray was released, and the revisions are only on the final cut, the other cuts have the original sound effects

The Decimator said:

SpacemanDoug said:

SpacemanDoug said:

The Decimator said:

Some other examples of movies with altered sound effects:

The Godfather (I and II): The first two Godfather films have had several alterations in recent releases, such as ambient wind and birds.

H.B. Halicki’s entire filmography: The late director responsible for Gone in 60 Seconds, The Junkman, and Deadline Auto Theft, would have cried if he saw the numerous audio changes made to every single one of his movies. Not only have all the sound effects been altered, but Gone In 60 Seconds also has new, inferior music, along with several missing scenes (including most instances of profanity!). His widow is the one responsible for these changes, and she has outright refused all requests for an unaltered release.

Dirty Harry series: Among the most infamous stereo remixes in terms of changes made, all of the films in this series were butchered when released on DVD. Sadly, the Blu-Rays do not include their original soundtracks, so your best bet with these would be the Laserdiscs.

An American Werewolf in London: The film was remastered in stereo in 2001 for its 20th anniversary. Unfortunately, this meant that all of the sound effects were replaced, and the audio has also been slowed down for some strange reason. This is another film that didn’t get its original soundtrack on Blu-Ray, but its very first DVD release from 1997 does include it.

Smokey and the Bandit: Another film with altered sounds for its stereo remix, but luckily, the recent Blu-Ray features the mono.

1941: The “Director’s Cut” of this Spielberg bomb has a few slight sound additions.

Duel: Spielberg’s first film has also been ruined by its remastered version. I don’t know what sounds they added or changed, as I haven’t seen the movie. I’m guessing they changed the truck’s horn or something like that.

Halloween (1978): Apparently, modern thunder noises have been added. They also added tons of atmospheric insect sounds in the nighttime scenes. When Annie is inside of her car, you can still hear the insects even though she is supposed to be inside.

Mad Max: Severe alterations in the 5.1 mix, and there are even some original ones that have gone missing!

Psycho: Tons of added foley to scenes that are supposed to be silent. The worst thing is that this even includes the famous shower scene, where they added new water foley effects and squeaky faucets.

In The Heat of The Night: I have never seen this movie, but it apparently suffered a lot when remixed in stereo. This includes annoying ambience sounds (they added a distant train horn, for Christ’s sake!), and horribly reverbed audio (Ray Charles now sounds like he’s singing in a bathroom).

The Sound of Music: Not only are there modern thunder and rain sounds at one point, but some original sounds are absent!

Vertigo: One of the most infamous remixes of all time. The 5.0 remix on Blu-Ray removes most of the added foley (gunshots and footsteps), but there’s still some ambient wind sounds.

Rocky (the first film): Added foley and out-of-place reverb (why is there reverb in a parking lot?).

The French Connection: New car sounds and city ambience. Luckily, the Blu-Ray includes the mono track.

Evil Dead (the original): Several random sounds are missing in the stereo remix, possibly a side effect of the severe noise reduction applied. I’m not sure if the Blu-Ray features the mono or not.

The Conversation: Added foley, which has the result of making everything sound too busy. This one also has the mono track included on Blu-Ray.

Chinatown: Pretty much every time a gun is fired gets changed, as well as every scene of Jack Nicholson in a car. Another one where they have the mono included on Blu-Ray.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Another awful mess of added foley and insect noises. Even when the characters are inside with closed windows, you can still hear the insects! Horse hoof noises are also replaced, as well as all the explosions. The mono is featured on this Blu-Ray, too, but only on the American release.

Barry Lyndon: More altered explosion sounds.

My Favorite Brunette: According to an irate Amazon customer, the Blu-Ray released by Kino has added modern foley effects such as doors opening and paper crinkling.

Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory: This anime classic received a 5.0 remix with different sound effects that are totally out of place for something that was originally released in the 80s.

Oh yeah two you left out were Animal House and Blues Brothers
Animal House had several small sound effects replaced and remixed the soundtrack. Blues Brothers despite being originally released in stereo still had several sound effects replaced, the songs remixed to sound more modern, and the score in at least a couple places was revised a bit.

I knew there was something up with the soundtrack of The Blues Brothers! Last summer, I was watching it on some movie channel with my father and some of the car sounds in the final chase scene sounded a little too “modern” for 1980. Does the Blu-ray have the mono track on it?

original mix was actually stereo, and sadly no it doesn’t include the original English stereo

digitalfreaknyc said:

HBO always shows the theatrical version of everything, unless noted. It definitely was the theatrical version.

if anyone actually could get me this airing that would be perfect for determining if it really was or not the theatrical version

JayArgonaut said:

Interesting. Was the theatrical version never broadcast on TV? Or did Coppola see to it that his preferred version was always used?

that I do not know, the best way to find out would get an early broadcast version of the movie and edit out the commercials to examine the runtime

A lot of people don’t know that the theatrical version of The Godfather III has never seen a home video release. This version ran a total of 162 minutes and starting with the VHS release a 170 minute version adding extra footage has been the only one available. The point of this thread is to ask to see if anyone knows where to track a possibly preserved print of the movie with the original 162 minute runtime.

UPDATE: the upcoming 4K set will have the theatrical cut so this thread is cancelled

crissrudd4554 said:

I believe Fast Times at Ridgemont High had some changes as well. Some home video releases had different songs due to licensing but I think this was resolved by the time the film made it to DVD. The surround mix first introduced on the 2005 DVD had some minor effects changes I believe. That DVD as well as the BD does not have the mono. The original DVD and the High School Reunion DVD as far as I know has the correct original mono!

Oh yea I know all about that one too, various ambiance effects were replaced though fortunately not nearly as severe as others I’ve seen

SpacemanDoug said:

The Decimator said:

Some other examples of movies with altered sound effects:

The Godfather (I and II): The first two Godfather films have had several alterations in recent releases, such as ambient wind and birds.

H.B. Halicki’s entire filmography: The late director responsible for Gone in 60 Seconds, The Junkman, and Deadline Auto Theft, would have cried if he saw the numerous audio changes made to every single one of his movies. Not only have all the sound effects been altered, but Gone In 60 Seconds also has new, inferior music, along with several missing scenes (including most instances of profanity!). His widow is the one responsible for these changes, and she has outright refused all requests for an unaltered release.

Dirty Harry series: Among the most infamous stereo remixes in terms of changes made, all of the films in this series were butchered when released on DVD. Sadly, the Blu-Rays do not include their original soundtracks, so your best bet with these would be the Laserdiscs.

An American Werewolf in London: The film was remastered in stereo in 2001 for its 20th anniversary. Unfortunately, this meant that all of the sound effects were replaced, and the audio has also been slowed down for some strange reason. This is another film that didn’t get its original soundtrack on Blu-Ray, but its very first DVD release from 1997 does include it.

Smokey and the Bandit: Another film with altered sounds for its stereo remix, but luckily, the recent Blu-Ray features the mono.

1941: The “Director’s Cut” of this Spielberg bomb has a few slight sound additions.

Duel: Spielberg’s first film has also been ruined by its remastered version. I don’t know what sounds they added or changed, as I haven’t seen the movie. I’m guessing they changed the truck’s horn or something like that.

Halloween (1978): Apparently, modern thunder noises have been added. They also added tons of atmospheric insect sounds in the nighttime scenes. When Annie is inside of her car, you can still hear the insects even though she is supposed to be inside.

Mad Max: Severe alterations in the 5.1 mix, and there are even some original ones that have gone missing!

Psycho: Tons of added foley to scenes that are supposed to be silent. The worst thing is that this even includes the famous shower scene, where they added new water foley effects and squeaky faucets.

In The Heat of The Night: I have never seen this movie, but it apparently suffered a lot when remixed in stereo. This includes annoying ambience sounds (they added a distant train horn, for Christ’s sake!), and horribly reverbed audio (Ray Charles now sounds like he’s singing in a bathroom).

The Sound of Music: Not only are there modern thunder and rain sounds at one point, but some original sounds are absent!

Vertigo: One of the most infamous remixes of all time. The 5.0 remix on Blu-Ray removes most of the added foley (gunshots and footsteps), but there’s still some ambient wind sounds.

Rocky (the first film): Added foley and out-of-place reverb (why is there reverb in a parking lot?).

The French Connection: New car sounds and city ambience. Luckily, the Blu-Ray includes the mono track.

Evil Dead (the original): Several random sounds are missing in the stereo remix, possibly a side effect of the severe noise reduction applied. I’m not sure if the Blu-Ray features the mono or not.

The Conversation: Added foley, which has the result of making everything sound too busy. This one also has the mono track included on Blu-Ray.

Chinatown: Pretty much every time a gun is fired gets changed, as well as every scene of Jack Nicholson in a car. Another one where they have the mono included on Blu-Ray.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Another awful mess of added foley and insect noises. Even when the characters are inside with closed windows, you can still hear the insects! Horse hoof noises are also replaced, as well as all the explosions. The mono is featured on this Blu-Ray, too, but only on the American release.

Barry Lyndon: More altered explosion sounds.

My Favorite Brunette: According to an irate Amazon customer, the Blu-Ray released by Kino has added modern foley effects such as doors opening and paper crinkling.

Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory: This anime classic received a 5.0 remix with different sound effects that are totally out of place for something that was originally released in the 80s.

Oh yeah two you left out were Animal House and Blues Brothers
Animal House had several small sound effects replaced and remixed the soundtrack. Blues Brothers despite being originally released in stereo still had several sound effects replaced, the songs remixed to sound more modern, and the score in at least a couple places was revised a bit.

The Decimator said:

Some other examples of movies with altered sound effects:

The Godfather (I and II): The first two Godfather films have had several alterations in recent releases, such as ambient wind and birds.

H.B. Halicki’s entire filmography: The late director responsible for Gone in 60 Seconds, The Junkman, and Deadline Auto Theft, would have cried if he saw the numerous audio changes made to every single one of his movies. Not only have all the sound effects been altered, but Gone In 60 Seconds also has new, inferior music, along with several missing scenes (including most instances of profanity!). His widow is the one responsible for these changes, and she has outright refused all requests for an unaltered release.

Dirty Harry series: Among the most infamous stereo remixes in terms of changes made, all of the films in this series were butchered when released on DVD. Sadly, the Blu-Rays do not include their original soundtracks, so your best bet with these would be the Laserdiscs.

An American Werewolf in London: The film was remastered in stereo in 2001 for its 20th anniversary. Unfortunately, this meant that all of the sound effects were replaced, and the audio has also been slowed down for some strange reason. This is another film that didn’t get its original soundtrack on Blu-Ray, but its very first DVD release from 1997 does include it.

Smokey and the Bandit: Another film with altered sounds for its stereo remix, but luckily, the recent Blu-Ray features the mono.

1941: The “Director’s Cut” of this Spielberg bomb has a few slight sound additions.

Duel: Spielberg’s first film has also been ruined by its remastered version. I don’t know what sounds they added or changed, as I haven’t seen the movie. I’m guessing they changed the truck’s horn or something like that.

Halloween (1978): Apparently, modern thunder noises have been added. They also added tons of atmospheric insect sounds in the nighttime scenes. When Annie is inside of her car, you can still hear the insects even though she is supposed to be inside.

Mad Max: Severe alterations in the 5.1 mix, and there are even some original ones that have gone missing!

Psycho: Tons of added foley to scenes that are supposed to be silent. The worst thing is that this even includes the famous shower scene, where they added new water foley effects and squeaky faucets.

In The Heat of The Night: I have never seen this movie, but it apparently suffered a lot when remixed in stereo. This includes annoying ambience sounds (they added a distant train horn, for Christ’s sake!), and horribly reverbed audio (Ray Charles now sounds like he’s singing in a bathroom).

The Sound of Music: Not only are there modern thunder and rain sounds at one point, but some original sounds are absent!

Vertigo: One of the most infamous remixes of all time. The 5.0 remix on Blu-Ray removes most of the added foley (gunshots and footsteps), but there’s still some ambient wind sounds.

Rocky (the first film): Added foley and out-of-place reverb (why is there reverb in a parking lot?).

The French Connection: New car sounds and city ambience. Luckily, the Blu-Ray includes the mono track.

Evil Dead (the original): Several random sounds are missing in the stereo remix, possibly a side effect of the severe noise reduction applied. I’m not sure if the Blu-Ray features the mono or not.

The Conversation: Added foley, which has the result of making everything sound too busy. This one also has the mono track included on Blu-Ray.

Chinatown: Pretty much every time a gun is fired gets changed, as well as every scene of Jack Nicholson in a car. Another one where they have the mono included on Blu-Ray.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Another awful mess of added foley and insect noises. Even when the characters are inside with closed windows, you can still hear the insects! Horse hoof noises are also replaced, as well as all the explosions. The mono is featured on this Blu-Ray, too, but only on the American release.

Barry Lyndon: More altered explosion sounds.

My Favorite Brunette: According to an irate Amazon customer, the Blu-Ray released by Kino has added modern foley effects such as doors opening and paper crinkling.

Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory: This anime classic received a 5.0 remix with different sound effects that are totally out of place for something that was originally released in the 80s.

Fox scanned the original 6-track mix for the Blu-ray of Sound of Music so it’s possible you’re referring to the DVD. For Duel basically almost every crash sound, engine, and other ambiance were replaced in the 5.1 remix but the Blu-ray includes the original mono as well. The Blu-ray for Vertigo includes the original mono as a second option. The Criterion release of In the Heat of the Night includes the original mono as the only audio option. The Blu-ray for Psycho includes the original mono as a second option. For Halloween sadly only the Shout! Factory blu-ray set includes the original unaltered mono. Rocky has the original mono as a second option on both of its Blu-ray incarnations. Both Godfather 1 and 2 include the original mono on their Blu-rays as a second option. The Criterion release of Barry Lyndon has the original mono.

Out of all the mentions here I’d say the three worst were Dirty Harry, American Werewolf in London (by the way the mix wasn’t slowed down, it was just pitched down), and Smokey and the Bandit.

Basically when the show was originally broadcast on FOX there was a bunch of music in the soundtrack that added soul to the show, however the DVD omits most of the cues and the last time the episodes were ever seen in their original form was when they aired on the now defunct Soap network. So I was just wondering if any of you had access to the original unedited versions of the show that way they can possibly be shared somewhere

UPDATE: DVD restorations are now ready, for more information, please send me a PM

thatguamguy said:

I found a few different rips floating around on Soulseek. The problem is, I’m not familiar with the DVDs, so I don’t know where to look to see which versions they are. I saw another post by you where you said the missing song in “Red Sees Red” is in the opening scene, and the version of that which I found had no song there, so presumably that one is useless, but there are a few sources from season 1 & 2, I don’t mind pre-checking them so as not to waste your time but I don’t know what I am looking for.

Can you possibly send me some screencaps of these rips you found? (Of both seasons 1 and 2)