SpacemanDoug

In some ways some of the original US stereo mixes need to be preserved too. There were often subtle differences between them and the UK stereo mixes (the ones currently available today). One example is for the original US stereo release of Rubber Soul, uniquely for the song I’m Looking Through You contains two false starts at the opening that were edited out in the UK pressing and current re-issues. This was due to a mistake on Capitol’s part where when Parlaphone (the UK distributor) edited out the two false starts, they sent Capitol the master before they edited out the false starts, and Capitol simply just didn’t edit them out because they thought they belong with the song. But as I said, all current re-issues of the album reflect the UK pressing. This flub also was only unique to the US stereo version of the album, the mono version edited them out as well.

If you don’t understand, here’s what I mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke26Z4DZCsg

a bunch of the old New Line Cinema logos need to be preserved

This is a thread where I want to go into about how movies and TV shows have lack of distribution on DVD or streaming due to the amount of music featured. This is different from my thread about TV shows edited on DVD due to music, this is where TV shows haven’t been able to be properly distributed due to the music featured. (however, individual episodes may count as well) Examples of movies include FM (1978) and The Wild Life (1984), TV shows would include WKRP (though really only a problem till 2014) and Cold Case.

Made a comparison of the audio mixes for Chinatown

https://vimeo.com/355793301

timemeddler said:

Beverly Hillbillies and Bonanza, two iconic theme songs replaced because of music rights.

WAIT?!

FUCKING BEVERLY HILLBILLIES HAD ITS THEME CHANGED ON THE DVD?!?!

JayArgonaut said:

lilmanjs said:

Mill Creek claims that Quantum Leap is back to the original form on their blu ray release. I haven’t seen the dvd releases to know if true or not, but the licensed music is still there. I have yet to get through the entire series though.

If you can confirm that the original music has been restored, I’ll update my list.

I can confirm myself that the blu-ray releases restore the music in both the US Mill Creek release and the UK Fabulous Films release, however both releases are not 100% the same

On the US Mill Creek release, the episodes Genesis, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Trilogy Parts 2 and 3 (originally parts 2 and 3 were edited together into one movie) are presented in their syndicated two part versions, as the original NBC versions were movie versions. On the UK Fabulous Films release, Genesis and Lee Harvey Oswald are both restored to their original movie versions, however parts 2 and 3 of Trilogy still remain in their split form.

From what I know, the original movie version of Trilogy Parts 2 and 3 have never been seen outside of the original NBC broadcast, and even the original Universal DVD releases had it split into the two part version (though the same DVD release presented Genesis and Lee Harvey Oswald in their movie versions).

crissrudd4554 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Mission Hill had the majority of its music replaced on video. Thankfully there’s a very good restoration on MySpleen.

That 70s Show on streaming, DVD, and BR is a mess of music replacement and syndication edits depending on which version you have access to, but to my knowledge none of them have the original music despite frequent claims to the contrary.

The first season (at least) of Scrubs is missing a large chunk of the original music on DVD and streaming.

The new Netflix dub of Evangelion took out Fly Me to the Moon on every episode for licensing reasons (I’ve made a version of this new dub with the music restored myself).

I actually had involvement in restoring a bunch of music to episodes of That 70s Show, though sadly I’m still missing a bunch of episodes (most of them from season 2)

And literally to show off my work I uploaded snipets from the restorations on YT, and surprisingly I’ve had little trouble from this. (there were only two cases where a video got taken down cause of the music featured)

Off topic but do you know why the mouth effects on the Aerosmith cut outs have been removed from later releases?? I think even TV reairings have used this version too.

(Not my video)

https://youtu.be/nWjShj3IZpo

it’s clearly due to an overlook in the remastering process when the widescreen versions were created, they forgot to animate the mouths and eye wink (ironically the clip you posted is actually the version where the music cue was changed from the original FOX version)

here’s the restored song version I uploaded, skip to 3:03 for the specific moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpU6TtkVyjQ

I made a comparison of the original mono and 5.1 remix of the first Dirty Harry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evr1sI1UScw

ChainsawAsh said:

Mission Hill had the majority of its music replaced on video. Thankfully there’s a very good restoration on MySpleen.

That 70s Show on streaming, DVD, and BR is a mess of music replacement and syndication edits depending on which version you have access to, but to my knowledge none of them have the original music despite frequent claims to the contrary.

The first season (at least) of Scrubs is missing a large chunk of the original music on DVD and streaming.

The new Netflix dub of Evangelion took out Fly Me to the Moon on every episode for licensing reasons (I’ve made a version of this new dub with the music restored myself).

I actually had involvement in restoring a bunch of music to episodes of That 70s Show, though sadly I’m still missing a bunch of episodes (most of them from season 2)

And literally to show off my work I uploaded snipets from the restorations on YT, and surprisingly I’ve had little trouble from this. (there were only two cases where a video got taken down cause of the music featured)

Starting this thread to spark up a topic about a bunch of TV shows that have music replacement on DVD releases and even in some cases edit out entire scenes. Some examples include a bunch of CBS DVD’s releases of their classic shows. Plus a few others that haven’t even been released at all due to music rights.

Pretty much the majority of Clint Eastwood’s classic library (mainly his stuff with Warner Bros.), The Dirty Harry series being one of the most infamous ones.

riftamos said:

I’ll take a dig through my laserdisc collection and see if I have it.

can you PM me if you do?

MrBrown said:

Did you check, if the 25th anniversary DVD with DC and TC has the original mix? It contains a 2.0 Dolby Stereo track.

Also the German Turbine BD set with both cuts contains an English 2.0 Stereo DTS-MA track on the Theatrical Cut.

Afraid I don’t have access to either one of those releases

Was wondering if someone possibly could upload a VHS or laserdisc rip of the original US cut of the original Highlander. To my knowledge this version has never been released on DVD and Blu-ray and I think it would be good to preserve it since it was what was seen in theaters in 1986.

The Blu-ray 5.1 remix has a lot of notable changes (in both versions) to the sound effects, and all of the songs are mixed differently (and one cue is even changed all together). Was hoping someone possibly had a laserdisc rip or something that could be shared somewhere so the original mix can be preserved.

Moiisty said:

whats the difference between the three?

One example was “fuck” was edited out in the PG version, along with a few minutes of other footage being edited out.

Was starting this in hope of eventually tracking down a print of the 1973 PG edit of the movie MASH.

There was an edited version released on home video but it wasn’t the actual PG version seen in 1973.

All other home video releases are of the original R rated cut.

Interestingly enough when the movie was on Netflix it used the original theatrical ending instead of the explosion ending. Forgot if it had these sequences intact though but most likely it did.

Just look at the comparison I made of the two blu-ray releases of Rosemary’s Baby. Both the Criterion release and the UK Paramount release are from the same restoration but Paramount didn’t apply bass/hiss reduction on their master unlike Criterion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqOO3fty1Q0

The Criterion mono sounds flat in comparison to the Paramount mono.

crissrudd4554 said:

Yeah I can see that especially when they have releases where the mono is in one channel where others will have it two channel.

dual mono/regular mono won’t make a difference either if there is hiss and bass reduction involved, sometimes in cases (like with The Godfather) a lossy dual mono track will sound better than a lossless 5.1 track due to lack of hiss or bass reduction on the lossy mono track unlike the 5.1 where there was bass/hiss reduction applied

crissrudd4554 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Yes the 1999 DVD has a very unique mix but was a bit problematic. For the most part it’s mixed very low. I don’t think I’ve been able to watch that DVD without the need of turning the volume up. However there’s points where certain things get louder in the mix so overall it’s not very well balanced. From a quality standpoint it’s pretty good. Very clean with much of the audio crackle removed. If Universal has been able to properly balance it out and not make it so quiet for the most part it could have been a lot better.

Speaking of the VHS’, the 1999 VHS has an uncensored track.

I actually made a comparison video of the 1999 DVD mono and the Blu-ray mono
https://vimeo.com/348112133
Though I’ll admit I did turn up the DVD audio a bit to make it more consistent with the BD mono volume. I used three different clips and especially in the last one the BD mono sounded very muffled yet was the noisiest of the two.

Nice. Yeah I had the same issue when I made my LD vs BD comparison video. I initially posted it without any alterations to either track but when I played it back on my TV through our Roku box I realized the LD audio had noticeably lower volume than the BD. Because I didn’t want that aspect to affect people’s opinions on the comparison since I was comparing quality not volume I went back and increased the volume on the LD track. Not by much. Just enough that it was more on par with the BD track.

I’ve also liked Criterion less and less over time because of their mediocre compression methods and they’re very very hiss reduction happy. Some of their releases sound worse than DVD audio. The truth is lossless/lossy encodings won’t mean shit if the remastering isn’t done right in the first place for the audio. People just refuse to accept their issues because of how biased they are about Criterion.

crissrudd4554 said:

Yes the 1999 DVD has a very unique mix but was a bit problematic. For the most part it’s mixed very low. I don’t think I’ve been able to watch that DVD without the need of turning the volume up. However there’s points where certain things get louder in the mix so overall it’s not very well balanced. From a quality standpoint it’s pretty good. Very clean with much of the audio crackle removed. If Universal has been able to properly balance it out and not make it so quiet for the most part it could have been a lot better.

Speaking of the VHS’, the 1999 VHS has an uncensored track.

I actually made a comparison video of the 1999 DVD mono and the Blu-ray mono
https://vimeo.com/348112133
Though I’ll admit I did turn up the DVD audio a bit to make it more consistent with the BD mono volume. I used three different clips and especially in the last one the BD mono sounded very muffled yet was the noisiest of the two.

crissrudd4554 said:

Jaws- Mono on 2005 DVD is a tad crisper than mono track on BD and lacks ‘flaws’ that the latter. Mono track on mid-1990’s LD has certain dialogue/effects that are more present than those on the mono tracks on the DVD/BDs.

https://vimeo.com/166704816

The Terminator- Mono on Image DVD and LD is better sounding than Mono on MGM DVD. Sound effects are much louder and beefier on the Image releases. However some effects differ between the two.

https://vimeo.com/295910511

Frankenstein- Restored VHS and LD sound best though they lack the restored ‘God’ line. 1999 DVD has audio heavily DNR’d while a more flat and a tad muffled sounding track is used on the 2004 DVD and carried over to subsequent releases including BD.

https://vimeo.com/56206935

https://vimeo.com/295910511

Halloween- Mono on 35th Anniversary BD and 40th Anniversary UHD is a downmix of the surround track, not the original mono. 2007 BD as well as the 35th Anniversary BD included in the deluxe set with all the films has the correct mono.

interestingly enough the 1999 DVD for Frankenstein also sounds much better than the blu-ray, most likely due to the less amount hiss reduction and even better is it appears to be uncensored unlike the VHS releases.

A bunch of the classic Clint Eastwood movies need to have their original mixes preserved, specifically the stuff from Warner Bros.

This is basically a sort of follow up to by “mono tracks butchered on 5.1 remixes” thread where I basically wanna go into instead about how audio restorations can go wrong. One minor example is Rosemary’s Baby, comparing between the US Criterion and UK Paramount pressings, which are of the same master. The Criterion pressing has noise and bass reduction on it, resulting in the mix sounding flat. But the UK Paramount pressing is free of both bass and hiss reduction so it sounds a lot more alive, vibrant, and more detailed. (comparison here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqOO3fty1Q0) But I feel that there are lots of other movies that Criterion and other companies have noise reduced which hindered the audio presentations, and I wanna know what others you’ve noticed as well.