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#1282674
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Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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The Decimator said:

SpacemanDoug said:

SpacemanDoug said:

The Decimator said:

Some other examples of movies with altered sound effects:

The Godfather (I and II): The first two Godfather films have had several alterations in recent releases, such as ambient wind and birds.

H.B. Halicki’s entire filmography: The late director responsible for Gone in 60 Seconds, The Junkman, and Deadline Auto Theft, would have cried if he saw the numerous audio changes made to every single one of his movies. Not only have all the sound effects been altered, but Gone In 60 Seconds also has new, inferior music, along with several missing scenes (including most instances of profanity!). His widow is the one responsible for these changes, and she has outright refused all requests for an unaltered release.

Dirty Harry series: Among the most infamous stereo remixes in terms of changes made, all of the films in this series were butchered when released on DVD. Sadly, the Blu-Rays do not include their original soundtracks, so your best bet with these would be the Laserdiscs.

An American Werewolf in London: The film was remastered in stereo in 2001 for its 20th anniversary. Unfortunately, this meant that all of the sound effects were replaced, and the audio has also been slowed down for some strange reason. This is another film that didn’t get its original soundtrack on Blu-Ray, but its very first DVD release from 1997 does include it.

Smokey and the Bandit: Another film with altered sounds for its stereo remix, but luckily, the recent Blu-Ray features the mono.

1941: The “Director’s Cut” of this Spielberg bomb has a few slight sound additions.

Duel: Spielberg’s first film has also been ruined by its remastered version. I don’t know what sounds they added or changed, as I haven’t seen the movie. I’m guessing they changed the truck’s horn or something like that.

Halloween (1978): Apparently, modern thunder noises have been added. They also added tons of atmospheric insect sounds in the nighttime scenes. When Annie is inside of her car, you can still hear the insects even though she is supposed to be inside.

Mad Max: Severe alterations in the 5.1 mix, and there are even some original ones that have gone missing!

Psycho: Tons of added foley to scenes that are supposed to be silent. The worst thing is that this even includes the famous shower scene, where they added new water foley effects and squeaky faucets.

In The Heat of The Night: I have never seen this movie, but it apparently suffered a lot when remixed in stereo. This includes annoying ambience sounds (they added a distant train horn, for Christ’s sake!), and horribly reverbed audio (Ray Charles now sounds like he’s singing in a bathroom).

The Sound of Music: Not only are there modern thunder and rain sounds at one point, but some original sounds are absent!

Vertigo: One of the most infamous remixes of all time. The 5.0 remix on Blu-Ray removes most of the added foley (gunshots and footsteps), but there’s still some ambient wind sounds.

Rocky (the first film): Added foley and out-of-place reverb (why is there reverb in a parking lot?).

The French Connection: New car sounds and city ambience. Luckily, the Blu-Ray includes the mono track.

Evil Dead (the original): Several random sounds are missing in the stereo remix, possibly a side effect of the severe noise reduction applied. I’m not sure if the Blu-Ray features the mono or not.

The Conversation: Added foley, which has the result of making everything sound too busy. This one also has the mono track included on Blu-Ray.

Chinatown: Pretty much every time a gun is fired gets changed, as well as every scene of Jack Nicholson in a car. Another one where they have the mono included on Blu-Ray.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Another awful mess of added foley and insect noises. Even when the characters are inside with closed windows, you can still hear the insects! Horse hoof noises are also replaced, as well as all the explosions. The mono is featured on this Blu-Ray, too, but only on the American release.

Barry Lyndon: More altered explosion sounds.

My Favorite Brunette: According to an irate Amazon customer, the Blu-Ray released by Kino has added modern foley effects such as doors opening and paper crinkling.

Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory: This anime classic received a 5.0 remix with different sound effects that are totally out of place for something that was originally released in the 80s.

Oh yeah two you left out were Animal House and Blues Brothers
Animal House had several small sound effects replaced and remixed the soundtrack. Blues Brothers despite being originally released in stereo still had several sound effects replaced, the songs remixed to sound more modern, and the score in at least a couple places was revised a bit.

I knew there was something up with the soundtrack of The Blues Brothers! Last summer, I was watching it on some movie channel with my father and some of the car sounds in the final chase scene sounded a little too “modern” for 1980. Does the Blu-ray have the mono track on it?

original mix was actually stereo, and sadly no it doesn’t include the original English stereo

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#1282517
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The Godfather Part III: theatrical version preservation
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A lot of people don’t know that the theatrical version of The Godfather III has never seen a home video release. This version ran a total of 162 minutes and starting with the VHS release a 170 minute version adding extra footage has been the only one available. The point of this thread is to ask to see if anyone knows where to track a possibly preserved print of the movie with the original 162 minute runtime.

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#1278720
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Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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crissrudd4554 said:

I believe Fast Times at Ridgemont High had some changes as well. Some home video releases had different songs due to licensing but I think this was resolved by the time the film made it to DVD. The surround mix first introduced on the 2005 DVD had some minor effects changes I believe. That DVD as well as the BD does not have the mono. The original DVD and the High School Reunion DVD as far as I know has the correct original mono!

Oh yea I know all about that one too, various ambiance effects were replaced though fortunately not nearly as severe as others I’ve seen

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#1278255
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Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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SpacemanDoug said:

The Decimator said:

Some other examples of movies with altered sound effects:

The Godfather (I and II): The first two Godfather films have had several alterations in recent releases, such as ambient wind and birds.

H.B. Halicki’s entire filmography: The late director responsible for Gone in 60 Seconds, The Junkman, and Deadline Auto Theft, would have cried if he saw the numerous audio changes made to every single one of his movies. Not only have all the sound effects been altered, but Gone In 60 Seconds also has new, inferior music, along with several missing scenes (including most instances of profanity!). His widow is the one responsible for these changes, and she has outright refused all requests for an unaltered release.

Dirty Harry series: Among the most infamous stereo remixes in terms of changes made, all of the films in this series were butchered when released on DVD. Sadly, the Blu-Rays do not include their original soundtracks, so your best bet with these would be the Laserdiscs.

An American Werewolf in London: The film was remastered in stereo in 2001 for its 20th anniversary. Unfortunately, this meant that all of the sound effects were replaced, and the audio has also been slowed down for some strange reason. This is another film that didn’t get its original soundtrack on Blu-Ray, but its very first DVD release from 1997 does include it.

Smokey and the Bandit: Another film with altered sounds for its stereo remix, but luckily, the recent Blu-Ray features the mono.

1941: The “Director’s Cut” of this Spielberg bomb has a few slight sound additions.

Duel: Spielberg’s first film has also been ruined by its remastered version. I don’t know what sounds they added or changed, as I haven’t seen the movie. I’m guessing they changed the truck’s horn or something like that.

Halloween (1978): Apparently, modern thunder noises have been added. They also added tons of atmospheric insect sounds in the nighttime scenes. When Annie is inside of her car, you can still hear the insects even though she is supposed to be inside.

Mad Max: Severe alterations in the 5.1 mix, and there are even some original ones that have gone missing!

Psycho: Tons of added foley to scenes that are supposed to be silent. The worst thing is that this even includes the famous shower scene, where they added new water foley effects and squeaky faucets.

In The Heat of The Night: I have never seen this movie, but it apparently suffered a lot when remixed in stereo. This includes annoying ambience sounds (they added a distant train horn, for Christ’s sake!), and horribly reverbed audio (Ray Charles now sounds like he’s singing in a bathroom).

The Sound of Music: Not only are there modern thunder and rain sounds at one point, but some original sounds are absent!

Vertigo: One of the most infamous remixes of all time. The 5.0 remix on Blu-Ray removes most of the added foley (gunshots and footsteps), but there’s still some ambient wind sounds.

Rocky (the first film): Added foley and out-of-place reverb (why is there reverb in a parking lot?).

The French Connection: New car sounds and city ambience. Luckily, the Blu-Ray includes the mono track.

Evil Dead (the original): Several random sounds are missing in the stereo remix, possibly a side effect of the severe noise reduction applied. I’m not sure if the Blu-Ray features the mono or not.

The Conversation: Added foley, which has the result of making everything sound too busy. This one also has the mono track included on Blu-Ray.

Chinatown: Pretty much every time a gun is fired gets changed, as well as every scene of Jack Nicholson in a car. Another one where they have the mono included on Blu-Ray.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Another awful mess of added foley and insect noises. Even when the characters are inside with closed windows, you can still hear the insects! Horse hoof noises are also replaced, as well as all the explosions. The mono is featured on this Blu-Ray, too, but only on the American release.

Barry Lyndon: More altered explosion sounds.

My Favorite Brunette: According to an irate Amazon customer, the Blu-Ray released by Kino has added modern foley effects such as doors opening and paper crinkling.

Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory: This anime classic received a 5.0 remix with different sound effects that are totally out of place for something that was originally released in the 80s.

Oh yeah two you left out were Animal House and Blues Brothers
Animal House had several small sound effects replaced and remixed the soundtrack. Blues Brothers despite being originally released in stereo still had several sound effects replaced, the songs remixed to sound more modern, and the score in at least a couple places was revised a bit.

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#1277988
Topic
Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
Time

The Decimator said:

Some other examples of movies with altered sound effects:

The Godfather (I and II): The first two Godfather films have had several alterations in recent releases, such as ambient wind and birds.

H.B. Halicki’s entire filmography: The late director responsible for Gone in 60 Seconds, The Junkman, and Deadline Auto Theft, would have cried if he saw the numerous audio changes made to every single one of his movies. Not only have all the sound effects been altered, but Gone In 60 Seconds also has new, inferior music, along with several missing scenes (including most instances of profanity!). His widow is the one responsible for these changes, and she has outright refused all requests for an unaltered release.

Dirty Harry series: Among the most infamous stereo remixes in terms of changes made, all of the films in this series were butchered when released on DVD. Sadly, the Blu-Rays do not include their original soundtracks, so your best bet with these would be the Laserdiscs.

An American Werewolf in London: The film was remastered in stereo in 2001 for its 20th anniversary. Unfortunately, this meant that all of the sound effects were replaced, and the audio has also been slowed down for some strange reason. This is another film that didn’t get its original soundtrack on Blu-Ray, but its very first DVD release from 1997 does include it.

Smokey and the Bandit: Another film with altered sounds for its stereo remix, but luckily, the recent Blu-Ray features the mono.

1941: The “Director’s Cut” of this Spielberg bomb has a few slight sound additions.

Duel: Spielberg’s first film has also been ruined by its remastered version. I don’t know what sounds they added or changed, as I haven’t seen the movie. I’m guessing they changed the truck’s horn or something like that.

Halloween (1978): Apparently, modern thunder noises have been added. They also added tons of atmospheric insect sounds in the nighttime scenes. When Annie is inside of her car, you can still hear the insects even though she is supposed to be inside.

Mad Max: Severe alterations in the 5.1 mix, and there are even some original ones that have gone missing!

Psycho: Tons of added foley to scenes that are supposed to be silent. The worst thing is that this even includes the famous shower scene, where they added new water foley effects and squeaky faucets.

In The Heat of The Night: I have never seen this movie, but it apparently suffered a lot when remixed in stereo. This includes annoying ambience sounds (they added a distant train horn, for Christ’s sake!), and horribly reverbed audio (Ray Charles now sounds like he’s singing in a bathroom).

The Sound of Music: Not only are there modern thunder and rain sounds at one point, but some original sounds are absent!

Vertigo: One of the most infamous remixes of all time. The 5.0 remix on Blu-Ray removes most of the added foley (gunshots and footsteps), but there’s still some ambient wind sounds.

Rocky (the first film): Added foley and out-of-place reverb (why is there reverb in a parking lot?).

The French Connection: New car sounds and city ambience. Luckily, the Blu-Ray includes the mono track.

Evil Dead (the original): Several random sounds are missing in the stereo remix, possibly a side effect of the severe noise reduction applied. I’m not sure if the Blu-Ray features the mono or not.

The Conversation: Added foley, which has the result of making everything sound too busy. This one also has the mono track included on Blu-Ray.

Chinatown: Pretty much every time a gun is fired gets changed, as well as every scene of Jack Nicholson in a car. Another one where they have the mono included on Blu-Ray.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Another awful mess of added foley and insect noises. Even when the characters are inside with closed windows, you can still hear the insects! Horse hoof noises are also replaced, as well as all the explosions. The mono is featured on this Blu-Ray, too, but only on the American release.

Barry Lyndon: More altered explosion sounds.

My Favorite Brunette: According to an irate Amazon customer, the Blu-Ray released by Kino has added modern foley effects such as doors opening and paper crinkling.

Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory: This anime classic received a 5.0 remix with different sound effects that are totally out of place for something that was originally released in the 80s.

Fox scanned the original 6-track mix for the Blu-ray of Sound of Music so it’s possible you’re referring to the DVD. For Duel basically almost every crash sound, engine, and other ambiance were replaced in the 5.1 remix but the Blu-ray includes the original mono as well. The Blu-ray for Vertigo includes the original mono as a second option. The Criterion release of In the Heat of the Night includes the original mono as the only audio option. The Blu-ray for Psycho includes the original mono as a second option. For Halloween sadly only the Shout! Factory blu-ray set includes the original unaltered mono. Rocky has the original mono as a second option on both of its Blu-ray incarnations. Both Godfather 1 and 2 include the original mono on their Blu-rays as a second option. The Criterion release of Barry Lyndon has the original mono.

Out of all the mentions here I’d say the three worst were Dirty Harry, American Werewolf in London (by the way the mix wasn’t slowed down, it was just pitched down), and Smokey and the Bandit.

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#1264689
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Beverly Hills, 90210 with original music
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Basically when the show was originally broadcast on FOX there was a bunch of music in the soundtrack that added soul to the show, however the DVD omits most of the cues and the last time the episodes were ever seen in their original form was when they aired on the now defunct Soap network. So I was just wondering if any of you had access to the original unedited versions of the show that way they can possibly be shared somewhere

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#1258265
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That 70s Show initial FOX airings with original music
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thatguamguy said:

I found a few different rips floating around on Soulseek. The problem is, I’m not familiar with the DVDs, so I don’t know where to look to see which versions they are. I saw another post by you where you said the missing song in “Red Sees Red” is in the opening scene, and the version of that which I found had no song there, so presumably that one is useless, but there are a few sources from season 1 & 2, I don’t mind pre-checking them so as not to waste your time but I don’t know what I am looking for.

Can you possibly send me some screencaps of these rips you found? (Of both seasons 1 and 2)

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#1258158
Topic
That 70s Show initial FOX airings with original music
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Basically what I’ve been doing is restoring the show’s original music that originally aired on FOX to HD/DVD versions of the episodes that was omitted in syndicated and home media versions. However, I wasn’t able to locate every single episode (list down below at what I found) and I’m posting this because I’m asking for help on this. I started this project alone and didn’t find as much episodes at first. However, someone I met on a private site managed to provide me with even more episodes that I was able to restore. I decided to move this project to this site to see if I can get even more episodes that I currently don’t have. Also if anyone wants links to a lot of the episodes I restored just PM me if you want a link.
List of episodes I found:
Season 1: all of them except for 12-18
Season 2: none of them
Season 3: all except Red Sees Red
Season 4: all of them
Season 5: a huge chunk of them
Season 6: all of them
Season 7: all of them
Season 8: all of them though only one has omitted music

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#1257244
Topic
Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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The thing I hate is American Werewolf in London, Blues Brothers, and Animal House all had alterations on their 5.1 remixes (re-recorded sound effects) on the blu ray releases, yet it was kept extremely quiet. I listened to some portions with the foreign language tracks that replicated the original mono mixes with the exception of the English dialog being overdubbed, and they were so much better that way. American Werewolf had it the worst by having the pitch tuned down slightly as well, which resulted in the actors and music sounding slightly lower than normal.

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#1256745
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Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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kchrules said:

SpacemanDoug said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Jaws
Terminator
Halloween
Psycho
Mad Max

There’s also been examples such as Grease and Scarface where although the original mixes were not mono they still were given 5.1 remixes later on that completely revised everything.

though fortunately for at least most of these movies the original mono/dolby mix was provided alongside the 5.1 version on their blu ray releases (Terminator being the only exception), though for Grease the original Dolby mix finally resurfaced in 5.1 form on the recent 40th anniversary release

Ah good, I hope the 40th Anniversary Grease has the original “Hopelessly Devoted” without background vocals. I have the laserdisc and VHS with the original Dolby.

I can confirm the 40th anniversary version gets rid of every single issue regarding the previous 5.1 remix made back in 1998. (replaced sound effects, song revisions, etc.)

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#1256693
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Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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ChainsawAsh said:

Actually, the Atmos mix is a remix of the 2000 remix, it has all the same shitty new aspects of the remix - BUT the 5.1 AC3 included on the same disc is the original 1978 70mm six-track mix, not the 2000 remix!

yea I was a little suspicious about the Atmos mix being from the 2000 remix, but at least the original 1978 mix is included as well on that disk

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#1256684
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Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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ChainsawAsh said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Additionally some BD releases of Halloween and Mad Max have mono tracks that are actually downmixes of the surround track. The recent UHD release of Halloween sadly is one of them.

Yeah, don’t be fooled by studios simply claiming that the original tracks are included. Superman: The Movie is one of those where the first few BR releases claimed to have the theatrical stereo when it was really a fold-down of the modern remix.

Then there’s also the fact that a lot of times, when original mixes are provided, they’re in much lower quality (say, 192kbps AC3) compared to the modern remix (often lossless). Older laserdisc releases’ uncompressed PCM audio will often be superior, even if it’s the same mix.

I actually did do some deep research into this topic and here’s what I’ve figured out. The 2000 DVD release that only has the extended version is where the 5.1 remix first surfaced, then finally an anthology DVD set in 2006 included both versions and the theatrical version disk was supposed to also include the original 2.0 mix but was a down fold like you said earlier, so this led to Warner Home Video issuing corrected disks with the right 2.0 mix. The 2006 Blu-ray release once again only contains the extended version with only a 5.1 remix provided. In 2011 an Anthology Blu-ray was issued that once again brings all the movies together and both versions of Superman 1 and 2 were included. The disk for the theatrical version of the original Superman includes both a 5.1 remix and a 2.0 mix (both encoded in a lossless DTS-HD form). Warner Home Video swore that the 2.0 mix was the original theatrical mix and even says “English 2.0 (original theatrical)” if you go to the audio choices on the main menu of the theatrical version disk. Finally when the recent 4K release happened, Warner went back to the original elements by scanning the original negative in 4K, and making a new Dolby Atmos soundtrack that Warner took from the original sound elements which supposedly ignores the 5.1 remix from 2000.

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#1256617
Topic
Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
Time

crissrudd4554 said:

Jaws
Terminator
Halloween
Psycho
Mad Max

There’s also been examples such as Grease and Scarface where although the original mixes were not mono they still were given 5.1 remixes later on that completely revised everything.

though fortunately for at least most of these movies the original mono/dolby mix was provided alongside the 5.1 version on their blu ray releases (Terminator being the only exception), though for Grease the original Dolby mix finally resurfaced in 5.1 form on the recent 40th anniversary release

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#1256583
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Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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I started this thread to get into light at how audio preservation just matters as much as video. So in this thread I think that some movies you think that were originally released in mono that were destroyed in later video releases can be listed here as to get them into light.

Examples I would include are: Gone in 60 Seconds (1974), American Werewolf in London, The Blues Brothers, and Animal House.