hey! Wondering if anyone might still have a link to this. I own blu ray but would love to see it like this. thanks!
Turns out Arrow is releasing this and it’ll have all three cuts
MGM recently published this clip on YouTube and I thought it might be of some interest to members here. These clips from The Terminator look very different to the current Blu-Ray master; some good detail but overall looking rather soft, lacking contrast, and with a heavily desaturated colour palette. The black level looks greyish and “milky.” The colour grade lacks the teal emphasis of the 2012 Blu-Ray.
I wonder what elements this was sourced from. It almost looks like a totally ungraded scan from the camera negatives or perhaps an interpositive. The overall look is vaguely reminiscent of some of the early home video masters, but in widescreen HD.
Perhaps this is the raw scan done for a 40th anniversary reissue due next year. If that’s right, I hope a high quality copy of the original theatrical mono soundtrack will be included too. I’d also welcome an isolated soundtrack option for Brad Fiedel’s synthesizer score.
The Milan CD includes the wrong version of Escape from the Police Station, and the mastering for some reason is quite rolled off in the high end. Maybe an attempt to reduce tape hiss, but I think they went a bit overboard in that regard leading to an overly dark tonal balance. It lacks top end sparkle compared to the earlier Edel CD, which I think is better in terms of sonics… but wrong artistically as Fiedel has pointed out. He had no say in the mix done for that CD, and the end result didn’t reflect all the detailed editing he carried out during the postproduction and dubbing process back in 1984 for the film itself.
That is not what it is at all, that’s very much a very poorly SDR converted version of an HDR grade, I’ve seen the effect before
However that could only mean a 4K master was completed
I can see how the AI program is making it sharper and better in some places but it’s also hurting other parts
The biggest example is his sweater in the second cap and his smaller figure in the third looks like watercolors now, so I’d suggest just being careful of the amount of times you use it
It seems everyone abandoned this project, I wonder why?
Because the original audio has since been re-released, though Shout! Factory’s releases omitted one song (not due to a lack of effort) despite otherwise being original
iirc the Sony DVD release has both cuts of the movie
Sorry for bumping a thread with no activity in months, but I figured I might share some extra context regarding the mixes of Akira (1988) some brought up earlier.
Akira had 2 mixes prepared for it’s theatrical release. A Dolby track for 35mm screenings and 6-track mix for 70mm screenings. Neither of which were ever released on home video, there are a few rare screener VHS copies that were probably based on the theatrical Dolby mix distributed to various employees within the industry, but that’s it.
Akira was also released practically unfinished as there were a lot of photography errors that had to be gradually fixed after the initial theatrical release. Along the way changes were also made to the film’s sound mix, the Electric Media dub released in the US by Streamline was based on this revised version too. So even the most early offical LD release is not 100% accurate to what the initial release was like (though it is the closest). The unfinished theatrical version has actually been screened in Japanese theatres at least a few times according to Twitter users who’ve attended those screenings. Some even said the initial version was going to be included on the 4K Blu Ray, but something happened to prevent it happening, I’d have to go looking for some of the posts though…
Some others I’ll add:
Thunderbirds (1965):
TV show was remastered in 5.1 surround in the early 2000s. Replaces sound effects such explosions, rocket engines, crashes and car engines. Only official releases with the mono tracks are of poor quality because they’re from inferior sources than what was used for the remasters. Some foreign dubs like the Swedish dub are based on the pre-remaster M&E tracks though. The 2 films were thankfully not affected by this because their copyrights are owned by different distributors IRRC.Genma Taisen (1983):
5.1 track adds extra sounds into scenes with explosions and extra foley. Japanese BD has the theatrical track but I haven’t been able to find a copy of it myself. English dub is based on the pre-remaster M&E track though.
One thing I did find out about Thunderbirds was the original mixes were restored to the Shout! Factory releases
I new here and it’s obvious I’m not in the right thread. That said, the discussion is about alternate versions of the American Graffiti so I have a question related to the various copies of this film. The version I saw in a theater in 1974 differs slightly from the Blue Ray print I recently purchased from Amazon. The difference I noted is that in the closing sequence where Suzanne Somers calls the pay phone at Mel’s Drive In, Richard Dreyfuss is gone and the camera pans in on the ringing phone which is never answered. Was there ever an added scene version where he does answer the phone? From the other postings I note the clouds were added and Ford’s song in the car appears in different versions. Can some of the expert editors weigh in on this? Thanks in advance.
Idk what you’re talking about because he answers the phone in the 1973 and 1978 cuts
The forthcoming 4K disc from Warner is not looking promising, if the trailer they released is anything to go on. The final sequence is even BLUER than on the Blu-ray. I expected this for the Extended Director’s Cut, but some are saying it’s likely they used the same color grade for the “Original Theatrical Cut” (what a misnomer THAT is, if true). Apparently nothing is sacred.
Any hope for a 4K reconstruction once the discs are in-hand? At least it comes with the original mono this time.
Don’t ever rely on a YT video for the color grading of a 4K master
Yes it does look like the blue grading is still present but I bet the 4K disk itself will be a lot better
Can anyone help me get my head around this? Am I right with the following:
So in early 2000s the MGM DVD of this had the mono track but it was deemed slightly different to the Laserdisc version.
In 2006 the Terminator came to Blu-ray (MPEG-2) without the mono tracks and this annoyed people. Was it not a direct sync with the MGM DVD either?
In about 2012 again the film got put out on Blu-Ray but this time it was a MPEG 4 AVC with much higher bitrate. This is the version people want the mono track for?
The 2001 MGM DVD utilizes the international mono mix rather than the US one
However, outside of the 1991 laserdisc (which contains the US mix), it sounds the best regarding fidelity, all other mono mastering (including the 1995 and 1997 Image releasee) have noise reduction and sound noticeably worse
UPDATE:
While looking over these episodes with @SpacemanDoug, we discovered that there are extended versions of every episode in season 3. There is also an extended version of the series finale. However, the rest of the episodes (all of season 4 and all but the final episode of season 5) appear to have the same episode runtimes as the versions that were released on blu-ray. (I’ve edited my original post to reflect this.)That being said, every episode I’ve checked from seasons 3, 4, & 5 has altered music on blu-ray (& streaming) compared to what originally aired.
I have started the process of restoring season 3. I’ve completed the first episode, and I have mixed feelings about the end result. I’ve tweaked the upscaling settings to achieve the closest possible look to the 1080p versions on blu-ray, and many of the shots look very good; a few shots definitely do not. (When upscaling low resolution footage, close-up shots tend to look great, medium shots are hit-or-miss and wide shots with people’s faces in them often get weirdly distorted.)
As a proof of concept, I can make the completed version of episode 301 available to whomever is interested.
If there is enough interest in the complete season and/or seasons 4 & 5 with the original music, I will continue to work on this project. (It will certainly take a lot of time, as the process is quite tedious.) If not, I’ll probably put it on the back burner or abandon it. The additional footage and extended scenes are interesting to have access to, but they’re clearly not necessary for the enjoyment of the show. In my opinion, having just done the one episode so far, most of the DirecTV exclusive content adds very little.
For those interested in what was changed for episode 301, I’ve included the list of changes below. (Note: In order to preserve the original music, I used the stereo TV audio for the entire episode, except where noted.)
List of changes:
00:00:30-00:00:35 - Extended shot
00:03:37-00:03:40 - Extended shot
00:03:46-00:04:58 - Extended shots, additional footage
00:08:36-00:10:39 - Extended scenes, credits adjustments (the beginning of this section is perhaps the best example of how bad certain shots look when upscaled)
00:13:03-00:13:08 - Extended shot
00:14:26-00:14:29 - Additional footage
00:17:37-00:17:41 - Extended shot
00:18:37-00:18:41 - Additional footage, extended shot
00:19:54-00:20:27 - Extended scene
00:25:52-00:26:02 - Used ADR audio from blu-ray, which was recorded to correct a continuity error in the original dialogue
00:28:04-00:28:44 - Additional scene
00:41:17-00:41:36 - Extended shot, re-ordered scene
00:41:36-00:43:29 - Extended scenes
00:44:19-00:46:21 - Extended scene
For the altered opening credits, are you using the full frame or are you cropping the TV footage and overlaying it on top of the BD footage?
Jim’s Marios is still edited on Amazon via Paramount+ - I assume the regular Paramount+ version is edited too unless you can confirm otherwise?
Edit occurs at 18:05 - all of Alex playing the piano, singing etc. is gone
I guess that’s the unfortunate acception because P+ is edited too
Do you have a TV capture of that scene by any chance?
Good news! The missing scene in Jim’s Mario’s is included in Pluto’s free streaming version:
Can anyone confirm that there are no other cuts on the Paramount+ versions?
Can anyone capture this in 1080p and make it available?
it’s been released on myspleen
Considering the era in which these aired, it’s possible that these are the highest quality you’d get
But can I possibly get access to these captures too?
I might be able to help stitch these together
That DNR tho
I don’t think an edit exists
But the best physical release out there if you want something that more resembles how the movies looked theatrically, your best bet is the 2010 theatrical cut BDs
What about the episode that was excluded entirely for Booker on the DVDs?
After closer inspection of the 4K version of Eat It, it seems al was barely able to remaster that video, as the film elements were in poor condition. It seems to be a one time thing that was apparently only done for his new movie. The remaster is also missing a sight gag where Al’s breath causes the camera lens to fog up.
I’m sorry for the abrupt cancellation. That was my mistake. Project is still underway, and I hope to have some things ready soon.
Also as a result of the video being in 16x9 (including the black bars), all of the optical transitions are now in the 16x9 frame rather than the original 4x3 frame (most noticeable with the final “eyes” shot zoom, but it occurs a couple of other times before too)
Anyone else have the FX captures?
Post em on archive.org they likely won’t get taken down.
Any old paramount dvd release with the widescreen banner on the bottom likely has the theatrical mix
Other titles
deep impact, black rain, Truman show, days of thunderIf you’re referring to the 2.0 tracks on those DVDs then likely they aren’t, Paramount created a lot of 2.0 downmixes of 5.1 tracks those DVDs had because at that time a lot of players weren’t 5.1 comparable and weren’t the best at automatically downmixing them
no some of the 5.1 's . I know the DVD 2.0 of Witness is a downmix cause it has the same SFX as the 5.1 and the LD has the original SFX.
Airplane and Grease had downmixes as well
Did Witness have new sound effects?
Post em on archive.org they likely won’t get taken down.
Any old paramount dvd release with the widescreen banner on the bottom likely has the theatrical mix
Other titles
deep impact, black rain, Truman show, days of thunder
If you’re referring to the 2.0 tracks on those DVDs then likely they aren’t, Paramount created a lot of 2.0 downmixes of 5.1 tracks those DVDs had because at that time a lot of players weren’t 5.1 comparable and weren’t the best at automatically downmixing them
The theatrical Dolby Stereo 2.0 mix for Star Trek: The Motion Picture is on its laserdisc.
The Special Longer Cut on the complete adventure 4K set essentially has the original mix too but is exclusive to that cut
The theatrical cut on the same disk is the same 7.1 track as before
does anyone have the full run of the FX captures?
I don’t need the SOAPnet versions because I already have those, but I am interested in the FX recordings, particularly with season 5
supposedly some alternate footage aired in that run for that season
I probably have some to all of S5 on VHS.
I don’t know offif they would be like the SOAPNet or FX or maybe neither.
Can you PM me what you have?
does anyone have the full run of the FX captures?
I don’t need the SOAPnet versions because I already have those, but I am interested in the FX recordings, particularly with season 5
supposedly some alternate footage aired in that run for that season
Williarob made a reconstruction
Jim’s Marios is still edited on Amazon via Paramount+ - I assume the regular Paramount+ version is edited too unless you can confirm otherwise?
Edit occurs at 18:05 - all of Alex playing the piano, singing etc. is gone
I guess that’s the unfortunate acception because P+ is edited too
Do you have a TV capture of that scene by any chance?
I’ve seriously never heard this before