SpacemanDoug

sypher151 said:

I’m not sure, but if this is the same edit I’ve seen people passing around on reddit, I believe one of the songs is incorrect. The Season 3 episode Hyde’s Dad: the dream sequence. The song should be ""Theme Song | The Courtship of Eddie’s Father. It goes “People let me tell you about my bessst friend…” IT should not be “Best Friend” by Queen.

This actually may be my fault. I left a reddit comment probably a decade ago listing some of the songs I knew from my VHS recordings, and I just said “Best Friend” forgetting about Queen. So that comment may be what people are using as a source, then other people use them as a source. Next thing you know it’s a circle of people referencing each other as sources.

Anyway, Im 99% sure the song should be the theme from Courtship of Eddie’s Father. I watched/listened to that tape on loop all day everyday in the background. It’s burned into my brain.

I’ve tried finding those tapes, but the tape I think it should be has gone entirely blank. Improperly stored, or someone accidentally hit record and left it going on a blank screen.

If anyone has solid video footage contradicting me, I’d like to be corrected. It’s also possible Spaceman Doug’s edit is different. I haven’t had a chance to check since I can’t pm yet.

You’re actually thinking of the scene from Eric’s Buddy whenever Eric and his lab partner are having fun together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPyTTuY1mqk (go to 2:24 here)

This is the scene you’re referring to which is most definitely playing Best Friend by Queen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eJ6-WzaVG8 (go to 3:02)

rudolf said:

Do we know any more about the provenance of this master? Was it made especially for HBO sometime before 2004?

That’s very likely

stretch009 said:

I wonder why it’s not OAR. Definitely would be nice.

Likely a master created for broadcast

Sambarker04 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

So aside from the Atmos changes and the blooper credits edit, what exactly was changed visually on the 4K master when compared to the original theatrical release?

I recall it was the snowcones. Dunno if this is done since the 2009 BD or the 2012 one, since I recall the 2012 BD is based on the 3D version.

Oh I know about the Monsters Inc changes already with the snow cones (I saw an international master with the OG Disney logo but still had the altered snow cones).

I was actually asking about visual changes to Toy Story 1 and 2 on the initial BD releases outside of what I mentioned already.

So aside from the Atmos changes and the blooper credits edit, what exactly was changed visually on the 4K master when compared to the original theatrical release?

Cedric T Sealion said:

SpacemanDoug said:

What master is it using?

It’s standard definition and cropped to 16:9. I’m assuming it’s an old broadcast master from before 2004. Appears to have PAL speed up. Looks decent enough to my eyes though. Nice colours and much better looking all round than the laserdisc.

are you able to rip it?

So wait, which episodes are the ones with downmixed mono tracks?

What master is it using?

Verboten said:

Broom Kid said:

It won’t

It will

If it was going to then he would’ve said something by now. He doesn’t care anymore.

SlacktoryRecords said:
Perhaps the good Dr. could chime in and comment on the differences between the German 35mm print scan and the upcoming 4K project? Here’s hoping there’s actually some grain. Bear in mind also that the mono soundtrack Warner included on their heinous 4K release has a weird sound level issue during the on-campus filming scene, where the crowd’s cheers (as Burstyn is talking through the megaphone) are weirdly dialed down to barely-audible, in sharp contrast to every other sound mix of the film.

How do you know that past releases didn’t alter the audio in that scene? Every past release was a remix of some sort and not the 1973 mix. It could’ve been that way in the 1973 mix and no one would’ve known.

The real reason why he never had the original versions restored sooner was not necessarily because he was “blocking” their release, rather he knew that it’d be costly to restore them and he simply just didn’t wanna spend his own money doing it. Whenever Disney took over and Kathleen became head of Lucasfilm, she just simply wanted to “honor” his weird vision and keep the altered versions in circulation (the 2019 versions were created way back in 2012, intended for a 3D conversion that never happened). Admittedly I’m not sure if it was pressure from Disney or not, but all that matters is that they are being restored to their original state now.

SonnyGFunk said:

SpacemanDoug said:

SonnyGFunk said:

SpacemanDoug said:

-First point: The original negative was never reconformed despite rumors saying otherwise, the original negative itself has always been conformed to the 1977 cut and always will be. The special editions from 1997 were finished likely on interpositives, since they had to create at least some type of film element for 35mm printing at the time. But thankfully, the original negative itself wasn’t reconformed (and even if it was, Lucasfilm would’ve saved everything anyway).

We know for a fact the negative for SW was reconformed to the 1997 cut, there are countless sources that state this. The production documents for the new restoration also confirm that the 97 inserts had to be removed from the negative to bring it back to it’s pre 1997 state. Where are you getting your information from that the SW negative was never reconformed to the 1997 edit?

It was discussed on blu-ray forums some time ago in the ANH 4K thread, unfortunately the posts are long buried now but someone kept insisting that the negative wasn’t reconformed and posted “evidence” about it. If you wanna try and search that cesspool of a thread by all means, but it’s what I remember being discussed there.

But where are these restoration notes at that you say you saw?

The notes were posted around the time of the leaks and were shared on here previously. The OCN was described as being “Reconfirmed in ‘97 for legacy output, selectively damaged.”

Another document further supported this, noting that during the new restoration the 1997 inserts were “not reintroduced into the OCN assembly”

So are they actually physically reconforming the negative for a third time to once again resemble the 1977 cut?

SonnyGFunk said:

SpacemanDoug said:

-First point: The original negative was never reconformed despite rumors saying otherwise, the original negative itself has always been conformed to the 1977 cut and always will be. The special editions from 1997 were finished likely on interpositives, since they had to create at least some type of film element for 35mm printing at the time. But thankfully, the original negative itself wasn’t reconformed (and even if it was, Lucasfilm would’ve saved everything anyway).

We know for a fact the negative for SW was reconformed to the 1997 cut, there are countless sources that state this. The production documents for the new restoration also confirm that the 97 inserts had to be removed from the negative to bring it back to it’s pre 1997 state. Where are you getting your information from that the SW negative was never reconformed to the 1997 edit?

It was discussed on blu-ray forums some time ago in the ANH 4K thread, unfortunately the posts are long buried now but someone kept insisting that the negative wasn’t reconformed and posted “evidence” about it. If you wanna try and search that cesspool of a thread by all means, but it’s what I remember being discussed there.

But where are these restoration notes at that you say you saw?

JadedSkywalker said:

I have no idea, but I think its amazing they reverted the negative back to original cut. and reconformed it. after a new photochemical restoration. and cut out the Special Edition sections.

I’m surprised Fox even allowed the original to be tampered with in the 1990s because that was 20th Century Fox crown jewel. Disney protecting its investment it makes sense.

Plus we know that of all the O-negs Star Wars is the one that was in the worst shape in the 1990s. The fact they had to spend significant resources again to restore the film in the last number of years, it’s a culturally important work.

-First point: The original negative was never reconformed despite rumors saying otherwise, the original negative itself has always been conformed to the 1977 cut and always will be. The special editions from 1997 were finished likely on interpositives, since they had to create at least some type of film element for 35mm printing at the time. But thankfully, the original negative itself wasn’t reconformed (and even if it was, Lucasfilm would’ve saved everything anyway).

-Second point: Whenever Lucas was coming up with the ideas of the prequels, he clearly was also coming up with the ideas of the changes to make to the 1997 versions, but the only problem was as you said, Fox owned the copyright to the first. So Lucas made a deal with Fox, they could be the distributor of the prequels if they gave him full ownership of the original and they agreed to it. All post-1997 versions of the original now have a “copyright Lucasfilm” like the other entries.

-Third point: It was only certain portions of the original negative that deteriorated, I’m not entirely sure what, but the actual state of the negative has been grossly over-exaggerated in terms of damage.

As for answering the original question of this thread, no, the various altered versions are not likely to be remastered but it’s more than just because of fans not liking them. The ONLY versions of the post-1997 releases that could have any hope of seeing a 4K remaster is in fact the 1997 special editions, as those are the only versions (outside of the theatrical cuts of course) to have been finished entirely on film. The 2004 and 2011 versions are the same base masters locked into HD resolution specifically. If one wants to bring those versions to 4K, the work would have to be done all over again in 4K resolution. The 2019 versions are already finished in 4K, likely a hybrid scan of the original negatives and the interpositives that the special editions are based off of, which would explain why many errors from the 2004/2011 masters were reversed.

What’s the difference between the intros?

Why was it censored to begin with?

Does this version have the original shirt for the Sally doll in Sid’s room? I remember that was an issue on the old THX DVD but then the 2010 BD reverted back to the correct shirt.

Onhisbacko said:

Season 1 & 2 physical are a mixed bag. Some songs retained, many replaced. I never saw the original broadcasts so can’t personally compare, but looking at TuneFind etc, you don’t hear most of the songs listed there.

EDIT: for clarity, s1&2 physical exactly match what’s on streaming. Same mix of original/replaced songs.

ICYMI - Liza Richardson, the music supervisor for FNL talked in a couple of interviews about how they offered artists a 2-year term contract to license their songs for less money, meaning they were original only on the first broadcast:

http://www.fuelfriendsblog.com/2010/08/30/the-musical-mind-behind-friday-night-lights/

And this is exactly why I’m after the NBC captures for the first two seasons

Onhisbacko said:

So, not wanting to lose a chance at having those original music cues for S3,4,5 (in case they revert back to the replacements) I ripped the Paramount Plus streams. The video quality is for shit though.

Perhaps I can rip my blu-rays at a higher video quality & mux in the audio tracks from the P+ streams. I’ve never tried that before.

do you happen to know if the physical releases of the first two seasons have the original music?

It should be yes

crissrudd4554 said:

JF_Sanderson said:

I hope it’s not a limited thing and theaters can play it as long as they want. I think episode iii 20th anniversary last year was one week only. It remains to be seen how much hype Disney will throw at the 50th even if it is wonderfully restored.

The thing I’m more scared about is if it’s exclusive to that theatrical release and not released on physical media or streaming.

P+ is using the uncut version of the finale I can instantly tell you that. But I bet it’s the slightly re-edited version that re-arranged some of the scenes compared to the original 101 broadcast. No footage was cut but certain scenes were moved to different spots I guess to get around the contractual obligation of 101 having exclusive access to the extended episodes.

I managed to find out about how Blues Brothers originally aired with more footage than what was seen in re-broadcasts. I located the deleted scenes, but unfortunately only in isolation. I was not able to locate the original raw broadcast itself, so I decided to reconstruct the episode the best I could with the sources I had. It’s a bit crude (if I had the actual broadcast it’d be a bit better), but I tried the best I could to make it as seamless as possible.

If one wants a link just send me a PM directly.

How does it compare to the upscaled version?

yellow05maze said:

I’ve posted a video showing a bit more in depth as to my process and where I’m at.
https://youtu.be/LnUrOsU1pg4?si=htiMmqO-Xxj57J5K

I sent you what you asked for