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#672052
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Info Wanted: 'LOTR - FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING': Green tint removed?
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It's not that there's something wrong with TTT or TROTK (theatrical v. extended), but that they're mostly similar in quality (w/o the green-tint difference of TFOTR). Therefore not worth the major effort for such a minor improvement.
Too bad for us, 'cause what we're here to do.  :)

Check out Caps-A-Holic for up-close, comparative examination. Get started with TFOTR then search there for the others: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/index.php?&vergleich=lord_of_the_rings_1_bd1

 

RE: TFOTR-EE green tint:
If true that Peter Jackson commanded that hideous green tinting ("source confirmed ... Peter Jackson and Andrew Lesnie not only approved the transfer but dictated the new color timing" - http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=4841029&postcount=2596), then he's just another George Lucas ... talent mostly lying in others who made the films.
(Nothing wrong with that, BTW. Just that he, too, must step down from the genius-filmmaker pedestal.)

 

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#671834
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Info Wanted: 'LOTR - FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING': Green tint removed?
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Chewtobacca said:

This post might interest you.

Thanks for referencing that! All these techniques are definitely worth a look to correct the "damage".

 

kk650 said:

It certainly is a very tricky one to do with one setting ...

What was/is your technique/script/program?

 

@ _,,,^..^,,,_

Your sample thumbnails [for example: 1st picture properties = "http://s16.postimg.org/7rol9stv7/image.jpg"] are not showing, at least for me. But clicking on them do show the full-sized pictures [link = "http://postimg.org/image/5zvmewai9/full/" and properties = "http://s16.postimg.org/6peer9b1v/image.jpg"]. Is something wrong with the thumbnails?

On this first picture, the ColourMatch V4 script failed on the upper-right third of the sky, even though it looks like it should've worked. (I checked for crush & blow-out and there is none in that area.) Any thoughts on what happened here?

 

@ Jetrell Fo

Amazon - The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (Extended Edition 5-Disc Set) [Blu-ray] (2012) - reviewes
Mateo
said:

The Green Tint was not intentionally added!
I have the extended DVD set- no green tint!
I have the itunes digital copies of the extended movies (that actually came free with the boxed bluray set)- no green tint!
Bluray extended towers & return- no green tint!
Bluray extended fellowship- horrible green tint!

Oh, and the extended edition of TFOTR is better in this respect:

Altered color timing aside, The Fellowship of the Ring has, quite frankly, never looked as strong, confident and capable as it does here. ... the kind of sweeping, post-theatrical-release DNR that reared its head on the Blu-ray edition of the theatrical cuts is nowhere to be found. (At least that's one debate settled: the Blu-ray release of the theatrical cut does indeed suffer from unnecessary noise reduction and aberrant smearing. It's only taken us more than a year to put that argument to bed.) -Blu-ray.com review

So, a color-corrected extended edition would make for a superior release all around.

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#671551
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Colour Correction for Free. Davinci Resolve 10 now supports UHD rez.
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Unfortunately, OSX (Apple) is just as bad as Windows (Microsoft). The Apple company is built upon communist China slave labor. So will it be the frying pan or the fire?
Christian Persecution in China: "Glenn Beck Program"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVEDRTXZ1Ss

I have been toying with the idea of Linux. But it always seemed like their programmers named everything as an in-joke rather than with the functional description. That makes it a pain to use. One must figure out, each time ... okay what was that stupid name for the text editor again? What wrong with ... text editor?   :D 

 

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#671130
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THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
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@ AntcuFaalb - And when things get going, looking forward to your continued procedure updates (either back in your post-holders, or just in-line here)!

@ DarthAss - For this thread's projects, I'm just wrapping up msycamore's laserdisc preservation work for him, which includes the curiosity of an older 16mm print's shots edited out of this newer version. My contribution (so far) is a video fix-up approach for that print. I demonstrate this R-G-B-channel-centric approach to projects in other threads so they may run with it there, too, if they find it useful.

 

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#670828
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The Matrix - HDTVrip "Restoration" (* unfinished project *)
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AntcuFaalb said:

5. I intend to mask the macroblocking by using a 120-frame Kodak 2383 35mm grain plate generated by poita. He says that this is likely to be the same film stock used for the release prints.

Have you tried any Avisynth filters for this? I read about one (or two) some time ago, but never had occasion to try it. A quick search brought up this (and there may be others of similar or superior effect):

Doom9 forum - Filter to remove macroblocks (from 2006)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=108511
Q:
There's too much macroblocks in the source, those 16x16 blocks is
very visible and I would like to remove it
...
A: I'd recommend you to use DeBlock_QED_MT2() and if that doesn't remove all the blocking try this script: ...

Avisynth - Blockbuster
http://avisynth.org.ru/docs/english/externalfilters/blockbuster.htm
Blockbuster is an Avisynth filter designed to reduce or eliminate DCT blocks from an enocode. ... (Incidentally, DCT stands for "discrete cosine transform", and is one of the techniques MPEG uses to do its compression. They differ from macroblocks, which are most noticible in high-motion areas when the bitrate is insufficient to describe the motion accurately, and also from mosquito noise, which is an artifact that tends to appear around edges and areas of high contast.)

 

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#670824
Topic
Colour Correction for Free. Davinci Resolve 10 now supports UHD rez.
Time

Thanks for the heads-up!

Lots of drool-worthy information at Blackmagic Design's DaVinci Resolve product page http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve . Not only is there support for UHD's finer resolution


   (hold-off on 8K while I get my head around 4K)

and richer color


(smaller triangle is our present HD, larger is 4K/8K)

but now you've got that perfect excuse to finally upgrade from Windows 3.1!   ;)

 

Special Note:
To which Bill Gates will be eternally grateful -- even if you don't live through his conspiratorial "world depopulation" (to put it politely) machinations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROhNaJoGzI 

 

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#670303
Topic
THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
Time

This was the other section where I thought to show what it was doing. So, again, quoting, and this time adding the analytical graphics (note that the before & after windows are the same; Histogram is being used only to display the spectrum) ...

 

Spaced Ranger said:

To remove the color and work strictly in luminance, the merged blanks are desaturated (0% color):

 

continued:

As this is supposed to become a flat background, the reverse of the brightness variation will be averaged [to] itself to produce flat brightness. This is accomplished by inverse ... Of course, inverse works across the entire dark-to-light spectrum and our darkness has become inverted to lightness.

 

continued:

With levels, the lightness can be brought down back to it's original darkness baseline (but still inverted). By using a Histogram function, one can see the range-spike of the picture both before and after the inversion. In this case, the range before was 32-54 and the range after is 181-213. Therefore, the high range is brought low in levels with:

  * Input low    = 181
  * Input high   = 213
  * Output low  =   32
  * Output high =   54
and is so applied:

 

So the result of these Layer steps was that the background luminance-spike was mirrored in-place.

Note:  There shouldn't be manual reading and entering of numbers to make it work, as I did here. Better designed, it should be a state machine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite-state_machine). One only inputs any source and any source-blank, to have it blindly produce the proper correction. Avisynth should have functionality to handle this.

 

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#670130
Topic
THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
Time

Thanks guys!  And little wonder it takes me so long to put up a simple post.  :D

 

I wanted to show the density distribution process but didn't have the graphics ready ... until now ...

Spaced Ranger said:

To test the effectiveness of this process, I also applied the correction to a blank background. The before and after range-spikes where expanded to full spectrum to easily observe their density distributions:

                       density distribution before                                                  density distribution after
  

The grey graphing is the actual luminance of the backgrounds and the red is from the narrow spike's min-max spread out across the full spectrum.
Paint program processing could've been better (for a flatter result) but it shows the concept working well enough. Avisynth, for the actual video processing, may do the internal math better or have better functions.

 

@ DarthAss - Most of these are performed on screen captures in a paint program (any one will do as most have the basic functions I use). Applying them to the actual video can be with Avisynth, a free, non-linear video/audio editor using scripts to direct it's processing -- http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Main_Page -- that many of us use. But other video editors, like your mentioned Vegas Pro, can do the same things.

 

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#669907
Topic
THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
Time

Previously, I mentioned the 16mm print (which I believe is THX 1138 ver.1) has a non-uniform brightness across what should be a dark, flat background during the opening titles:

                 background brightness variation                            uniform self-correction (explained below)
 

Normally, one would think it to be a center-spotlight effect and there are Avisynth filters to handle such specific situations. This, however, is different. There is variation across the frame, but it's mostly darker in the vertical center and lighter towards the vertical sides (optical printer light leakage?). The best solution is to use itself as it's own correction. Here's how I worked that out.

First, for this to be effective, the film needs to be brightness stabilized (which it is not). My demonstration here is only on select frames, to prove a concept. As this is a laserdisc preservation thread, I probably won't take it beyond this. But the steps I outline to do this in a paint program are reproducible in Avisynth.

Second, I'm thinking that this technique should be applied independently to each color layer. As this is a faded print, it should not be assumed that all the layers are equally affected by this anomaly. For this demonstration, I applied the correction as a single brightness correction. Even still, it is an improvement -- most noticeable in the flat title graphics, but less so in the live film that is naturally non-uniform.

 

Using the THX  1138 title graphic as my sample, this process is applied in the paint program's Layers -- using frames that were approximately the same background-brightnesses, to compensate for lack of brightness stabilization:

This frame needs to be processed by a "clean version of itself". Fortunately, there were  complete "blank" frames  in this scrolling title sequence. If there were none, a clean frame would need to be constructed from an assembly of blank areas of different frames.

As the picture is grainy, I didn't want that grain to apply itself into the correction. Several grabbed blank frames, at matching overall brightness, are blended together by temporal smoothing. The randomness of the grain in each works to cancel out the others (yes, it really works!). The more frames, the more randomness, the better the random grain self-cancellation. As each blank background is added for temporal smoothing, it's count from the bottom becomes it's applied percentage of opacity -- according to this technique:
  * base layer -- 1st layer from bottom (1 of 1)  -- set to 100% opacity
  * 2nd layer   -- 2nd layer from bottom (1 of 2) -- set to   50% opacity
  * 3rd layer    -- 3rd layer from bottom (1 of 3)  -- set to   33% opacity
  * 4th layer    -- 4th layer from bottom (1 of 4)  -- set to   25% opacity
and so on. They are grouped together here for organization:

To remove the color and work strictly in luminance, the merged blanks are desaturated (0% color):

As this is supposed to become a flat background, the reverse of the brightness variation will be averaged itself to produce flat brightness. This is accomplished by inverse:

Of course, inverse works across the entire dark-to-light spectrum and our darkness has become inverted to lightness. With levels, the lightness can be brought down back to it's original darkness baseline (but still inverted). By using a Histogram function, one can see the range-spike of the picture both before and after the inversion. In this case, the range before was 32-54 and the range after is 181-213. Therefore, the high range is brought low in levels with:
  * Input low    = 181
  * Input high   = 213
  * Output low  =   32
  * Output high =   54
and is so applied:

That is the correction for any frame to which it is applied (using the paint program Screen overlay), and it grouped together for organization. You can see, however, I had to include an additional adjustment at the very top of Layers. The result was overall lighter than is should've been. To compensate, a simple adjustment using levels, from 36-255 to 0-219, slides the spectrum down by 36.

 

All this, applied to the original title frame, produces an excellent result:

To test the effectiveness of this process, I also applied the correction to a blank background. The before and after range-spikes where expanded to full spectrum to easily observe their density distributions:

                    density distribution before                                               density distribution after
  

Success! It actually works!
Here is the title frame, self-corrected from the 16mm's own non-uniform brightness, shown full-sized, before & after:

 

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#669216
Topic
Info Wanted: Need advice on recombining b/w color records of a 2 color cartoon!
Time

I  haven't used After-Effects, so no help there.

As for color manipulation, I directly adjust the individual R-G-B channels in a R-G-B Histogram function for simple corrections. If things look more complex, a R-G-B Curves function allows more hands-on precision (for the more experienced). Of course, always use an eye-dropper tool to see the exact, resulting R-G-B numbers -- very good for source-target comparisons.

Other functions, like your mention of the Channel Mixer, only hide what they do to the R-G-B (or in your case R & G-B). That's really hit-or-miss, puts secondary adjustments where you don't want them, or/and damages the correction with crush & blow-out. So I don't use them.

[If you need an example, my recent demonstration http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THX-1138-preservations-Italian-Cut-available-see-1st-post/post/667478/#TopicPost667478 should give an idea of what's involved.]

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#669205
Topic
Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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Aw, too bad about that. I checked YouTube's Disneytv4me https://www.youtube.com/user/Disneytv4me and most of his Disneyland programs (although some look like B&W spliced-on openings & closings with color content -- from Wonderful World Of Color re-issues?) run 50+ minutes.

A check of the Fantasia DVD shows The Pastoral Symphony sequence runs 22 minutes and the middle centaurs section (Second Movement?) runs 9 minutes. If those school-educational versions have that middle part (or at least the pre-censored Sunflower segments) that might be good enough.

 

additional thought:
There is supposed to be a videotape-transfer-to-DVD of this Disney TV rebroadcast (still pre-censored) from the 1990's(?) floating around. That one should be the full 50+ minute show. Anyone know anything about it and it's content (I'm thinking the full Pastoral)?

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#669112
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
Time

Mazaliche said:

I'd love to see a 16mm ( or even 8mm ) of the segment with the censored scenes from "Fantasia" show up, now THAT would be nice. All I've seen are very low-res videos. And if some of the more technically-gifted fans were to clean it up and re-insert it in the segment, that would also be great, wouldn't it?

As it so happens ...

There was an episode of Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color (A.K.A. Disneyland) entitled Magic And Music (season 4: episode 22 -- 1958) that aired The Pastoral Symphony segment of Fantasia, pre-censored!

The Disney Wiki - Magic and Music
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_and_Music

Before censorship:                                                After censorship:
 
                                        and ... *poof* ... black centaurette be-gone.

(In fact, there were many Disney TV offerings featuring full and partial sequences of Fantasia. See quite a nice listing at
IMDb - Fantasia (1940) Connections
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032455/movieconnections
under Featured In.)

Also ... as it so happens ...

eBay: 16mm - Magic and Music '58 Disney Hosted by Magic Mirror Fantasia Pastoral
http://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Magic-and-Music-58-Disney-Hosted-by-Magic-Mirror-Fantasia-Pastoral-/161140681625
has 3+ days left, as of this posting. There is some film-fade but it's not too bad. That's good to keep away some bidders who don't know of OT projects.   ;)

(If anyone is thinking of going for it as an OT project, it might be a good idea to let others know, so there's no pointless bidding war.)

 

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#668849
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THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
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http://www.lddb.com/search.php?search=thx+1138&sort=title

The LaserDisc Database lists 2 JP laserdiscs for THX 1138. The 08JL-61162 (1986) is P&S (fullframed pan & scan) and the NJWL-11162 (1995) is WS (letterboxed widescreen).

The quality issue, as well as the censorship issue, were raised on the 1st post page of this thread. (I don't think anyone established anything conclusive thereafter.)

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#668747
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THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
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This gets me ... every time ..

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=7472786&postcount=303
WyldeMF said:

In any event, there's no reason Lucas can't leave his damn films alone aside from fixing lighting, matt lines, color issues or what not. Instead he still gets those obvious things wrong, but manages to add cartoonish stuff absolutely no one but himself wants to see in these classic films.

.. as demonstrated by this prime example:

  <-- 2003 TV (film ver.2)

In this shot, the film was threaded too tight inside the camera. This caused intermittent drag during exposure, resulting in vertical blurring (the direction of film travel in camera). It is most noticeable in brightly exposed areas -- the overhead lights, in this case. Lucas probably couldn't go back for a re-shoot, so he added sound effects to mask it as a deliberate visual effect. But anyone who's ever watched movies knows this was a mistake (like a "mic in picture") and an obviously absurd "fix".

But, in 2004, GL threw real money into a new edit, complete with computer animated monkey-creatures ... except he never fixed this mistake! Instead, he puts additional actors into the originally empty hallway and brightens them when the blurred exposure shows on the lights!

  <-- 2004 DVD (film ver.3)

This is the filmmaking genius George Lucas

 

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#668740
Topic
Info Wanted: Need advice on recombining b/w color records of a 2 color cartoon!
Time

I've read about early color experiments (amazingly colorful -- much more than one would expect!) but no experience with them. Could you post a few sample stills (i.e.: target color, your B&W sources, and your present results) and what technique(s) you are trying?

Just off-hand, I'm thinking one would use a standard R-G-B recombine. Red obviously is from your B&W-red-separation while Green & Blue (being identical) are from your B&W-green-blue-separation. Thereafter, just work on the R-G-B channels, remembering to duplicate all Green settings to Blue.

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#668528
Topic
THX 1138 &quot;preservations&quot; + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
Time

Well, according to this (the "theory" part) http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THX-1138-preservations-Italian-Cut-available-see-1st-post/post/665567/#TopicPost665567

                   

  Lucas'             ver.1            ver.1.WB          ver.1             ver.2               ver.3
THX1138          1970              1971              1978             1983               2004

where:
  version 1 1970 = Lucas' original (un-released)
  version 1.WB 1971 = Warner Bros' re-edit (shorter) (released theater)
  version 1 1978 = Lucas' original (theater, TV [16mm])
  version 2 1983 = Lucas' next edit (- SEN shots) (TV, home video [LD Beta VHS etc.])
  version 3 2004 = Lucas' next edit (+ CG) (TV, home video [DVD])

So, only 35mm & 16mm film for theater & TV, printed from 1978 to 1982, would be of Lucas' original movie (original length, original SEN shots) -- his 1st Director's Cut (as he lately, redundantly calls it).   :)

 

After watching those SEN shots, I can see why GL would remove them. The voice dubbing on them is poor -- it sounds like what it is, women voice actors dubbing for the children (standard practice). Also, when the 2nd child asks SEN his name, SEN looks at the 1st child and asks if he has a name. But the 1st child whispers in the 2nd child ear not to tell his name. Clearly, SEN's counter-question should have been directed at the 2nd child, who asked the original question. Cut those shots and the problems are fixed.

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#668173
Topic
Superman (1941) (Mild-Mannered Edition) (Released)
Time

I guess I should add the current Blu-ray release to the list. (But beware ... it gets the kryptonite logos):

                
Max Fleischers Superman - Collector's Edition [Blu-ray]

by Gaiam (released 2012)

I don't have access to this one for matching pictures. (Can someone PM me his picture links to include here?) Until then, let these reviews suffice:

Max Fleischer's Superman Blu-ray Collector's Edition
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Max-Fleischers-Superman-Blu-ray/50279/
You can't blame Gaiam for trying with this new set, especially since Warner seems intent on sitting on its corporate hands and never spending the time and money to properly release the Fleischer
Superman cartoons in high definition. But the problem with a PD release is—well, it's a PD release, which means the label wants to protect their handiwork (read: logos AKA bugs) and the source elements are more often than not completely inadequate for a real high definition presentation. That's sadly the case with this release.

Max Fleischers Superman: Collector's Edition [Blu-ray]
http://www.amazon.com/Max-Fleischers-Superman-Collectors-Edition/dp/B008IG0EHM/
Customer Reviews (multiple reviewers)

  1. CAREFUL BUYING THIS...IT'S NOT FROM WARNER BROS.!
  2. But here's the big, "BIG", problem with this set, the sound sync is off (only milliseconds for the first episode, but the next episode, The Mechanical Monsters, part way in when Lois and Clark are talking, the sound is so far off that it sounds like Lois is talking like Clark, as her lips are moving to Clark's spoken line).
  3. First of all, each frame has a logo imbedded on the corner which is unacceptable. Second, this is not Blu-Ray quality image! It is full of artifacts and pixelized. It is just a blown up version of a smaller digitized edition of these cartoons.
  4. It sucks Kryptonite, because if it wasn't for the sound sync issues, I'd actually prefer it to the Warner DVD's (even with the detail issues and the watermark in the lower right of the screen) because of the Blu-ray's vibrant colours, removal of the consistent print debris that plague every frame of the Warner DVD's and attempted sound enhancement which make the Warner DVD's sound flat by comparison.

 

Post
#667478
Topic
THX 1138 &quot;preservations&quot; + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
Time

Chewtobacca said:

... what I have long suspected: it's impossible to color-correct the EE BDs satisfactorily.

Thanks for bringing that up!  :)  After I threw that well-deserved ripe tomato at PJ, I wondered if something could be a satisfactory solution.

Color correction cannot fix crushed color. I checked all 3 color channels and only Red was crushed (indicated in it's bright color), Green & Blue were not.

snicker's demonstration of injecting other channel(s) detail into the damaged channel area (see his comments in http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/New-colormatching-script/topic/15002/) is a real solution. It necessarily requires significant manual adjustment on a per shot basis, though.

Color correction alone can be a mostly-good fix. Red is crushed in it's 1-70 luminance range -- yeah, I know, ouch! But if this now 0 area is raised up to 8 or more (to be balanced where it would show the most, for example, on skin tone), it helps fill in that color gap.

So the top picture (TFOTR theatrical edition) was damaged into the center picture (TFOTR extended edition). After applying this color correction, the resulting bottom picture looks pretty good. However, originally crushed areas (mountain shadow, darker sky) will remain somewhat red-anemic.

<-- histogram fix

Histogram  low input  high input  low output  high output  gamma
RED             0              192            8                 255              0.9
GREEN         0              220            8                 255              0.8
BLUE            0              204           16                255              0.75

 

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#667030
Topic
Superman (1941) (Mild-Mannered Edition) (Released)
Time

I've come across a couple more editions of Superman (1941):

captures =  Main Menu * Production Opening * Title * "The Mad Scientist" * Production Closing

 

                   
The Superman Cartoons Of Max & Dave Fleischer

by Image Entertainment (DVD disc files dated 1998)

 

 
                                                                                                                         (closing only at DVD's end)

 

                   
A Fleischer Studios Cartoon - Superman -- 9 Fabulous Episodes  ::  8 Fabulous Episodes
 
by Delta Entertainment (DVD disc files dated 2003)

 

 

 

And here is what those DVDs show on possible edited dialogue:

Image Entertainment DVD 1998
• "... truth and justice ..."
• "Chief, don't you think that's a dangerous mission?" [fadeout over "that's a dangerous mission"]

Delta Entertainment DVD 2003
• "... truth and justice ..."
• "Chief, don't you think that's a dangerous mission?" [fadeout over "that's a dangerous mission"] 


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#666853
Topic
THX 1138 &quot;preservations&quot; + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
Time

@ SilverWook & ww12345

Thanks guys! To quote another hotshot ... "sometimes I amaze even myself".  :)  But don't count-out those faded prints. They have much more in them that we just don't see.  ;)

My "select samples" were carefully grabbed. The clips have not yet been brightness stabilized. Therefore, the color correction keeps drifting in and out of the optimum settings of the work frame, from where came the video processing numbers. Once stabilized, the clips should play uniformly well corrected.

There also is the non-uniformity of frame illumination. It grows darker towards center-frame. I'm thinking if an inverted, blank title frame is used as a luminance offset, that should correct the intensity across the picture area. (I'm looking into it now.)

 

[Just a mention about eBay links. To  prevent eBay tracking (for whatever their nefarious purpose), remove everything from the "?" onward. The first half of the link, alone, will bring up the item-page just fine -- but without the original reference hash-info.]

The US VHS (pre US laserdisc release by about 8 years and pre JP laserdisc by only 3) has "©1983" for "package design and summary" and no extended SEN shots (edited out by GL as per my aforementioned versions theory). I thought this was the first release of Lucas' new cut, after his Star Wars success.
The eBay seller's picture of the Betamax box  (inside flap) shows "©1982" for it's packaging -- a year before the VHS one. Would this still be Lucas' 2nd director's cut (without those extra SEN shots)?

 

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#666433
Topic
THX 1138 &quot;preservations&quot; + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
Time

The first step for the initial corrections of the "missing scene/shots" faded 16mm print was to get it all working in Avisynth. I had already used the VirtualDub plug-in Gradation Curves (see it's development here http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THX-1138-preservations-Italian-Cut-available-see-1st-post/post/589761/#TopicPost589761) to good effect. Still, it would be more convenient to have a single, all-in-one, Avisynth script. The problem was finding an Avisynth plug-in that would duplicate a paint program's complete Histogram functions -- low/high in, low/high out, gamma, and mid-tone compress/expand for independently adjustable R-G-B.

In color correction, be careful never to make adjustments that "crush" dark areas or "blow-out" light ones. That won't happen if one stays with gamma and mid-tone adjustments, which manipulates color within the spectrum limits. So, no low/high input/output manipulation, except in 2 extraordinary cases:  [1] you're Peter Jackson (I'd say "George Lucas" but let's give the poor man a rest);  [2] color correcting faded film.

In the Peter Jackson case, you've made a perfectly fine looking movie in The Fellowship Of The Ring theatrical edition:

But there's a hankerin' for the green in show-biz, and it spills over into your later TFOTR extended edition:

If you had used gamma and mid-tones, OT forum members would have fair-chance at restoring the original colors. But you used low/high adjustments and crushed a quarter of the Red channel to achieve your effect.
(By inverting only the minimum "0" brightness to maximum "255", R-G-B channel crush shows their colors.):

Bad boy, PJ!

 

However, in the faded film case, the R-G-B film layers fade, that is, they lighten up -- darks become lighter and lights become lighter still -- effectively losing contrast toward lightness (in different degrees for the different layers):

 

For color fade correction, you use the low/high input to take those reduced contrast ends and spread them back across the spectrum (to make known blacks black and known whites white -- use an eye-dropper tool to roughly verify R=G=B):


Histogram  low input  high input
RED            64             160
GREEN        16             200
BLUE           16            176

 

From that new base, you only need to adjust the gamma to slide the concentration of color around inside the spectrum (to make known middle greys grey -- and everything else just falls in line):


Histogram  low input  high input  gamma
RED            64             160            0.8
GREEN        16             200            1.6
BLUE           16             176            1.2

Done! Is that amazing or what? But the important thing is, now without mid-tones adjustments, this can be accomplished completely within Avisynth using the Levels() function.

As discussed some pages after the above link, we discovered a number of issues that needed addressing for this clip:

  • The capture process created chromatic aberration (R-G-B color-layers slightly expanded or contracted due to lens photography) and needed shifting and resizing for better alignment.
  • An apparent narrow depth of field produced haloing on slightly out-of-focus layers. A DeHalo filter helped reduce that effect.
  • Generational film grain was severe and needed a mild temporal denoising to make the grain reduce itself without blurring the picture.
  • Finally, the above demonstrated color correction was applied to de-fade the film.

 

Here are select, split-screen samples, all with one Avisynth script:

 

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#665899
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THX 1138 &quot;preservations&quot; + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
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After your "Home Video version" shots descriptions, I went back and added more shot-detail to my last post (and, yes, they match). While doing that, I tried for more clarity on my theory (too many long sentences and parenthetical additions). I hope it's easier to follow now.

msycamore said:

Italian TV broadcast: ... A real botch job, that cut and the remains of that dissolve does at least tell us that this isn't the original editing. So why even make a cut here instead of keeping it as is?

I would say, from it's lack of polish, that it's not GL's bewailed original cut nor the hated WB re-edit. That would make it an Italian TV network re-edit -- like Bravo's 1997 broadcast with the nudity glow-ball censoring, only more so. To quote ST:TNG's Data quoting Sherlock Holmes -- "when you eliminate the impossible, what remains, however improbable, must be true".
Or we might try a call (to 1-900-THX-1138?) for assistance. *ring* *ring* "What's wrong?"

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#665740
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Done said:

http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/3/4/the-star-wars-art-of-ralph-mcquarrie.html

michaelkirschner said:

http://archive.4plebs.org/hr/thread/1722514/#1738113

Woah! Thanks for those links!

VADER: "Lucas never told you who was Star War's father."
LUKE:   "He told me enough! He told me he was."
VADER: "No. Ralph McQuarrie is Star War's father."
LUKE:   "No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!"
VADER: "Search the Internet and you'll know it to be true."

OBI-WAN:  "Star Wars will be yours ... always."

Ralph McQuarrie -- R.I.P. 3/2012
http://www.geeksugar.com/Star-Wars-Art-Ralph-McQuarrie-22057286

 

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#665718
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How to capture HDCP-encrypted HDMI sources (Vudu, Netflix, Directv, Virgin Media, etc.)
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perryboy said:

... Timeleak hd70a. installed the card and connected the splitter and tried both pinnacle studio 15 and honestech HD DVR 2.5 and no device is being recognised.

I don't know much about the hardware & software but maybe Pinnacle & HonesTech use their own drivers (which might not recognize the card) rather than Windows' DirectShow (which should recognize it):

drngr said:

How to capture video with the card

  • All of the devices listed above are DirectShow compatible, and so you should be able to capture using any program of your choice. Recommendations are VirtualDub and AmaRecTV.

Let us know how it works out (especially with your particular splitter).

 

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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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RATLSNAKE said:

The moment I saw the author refer to this movie as 'A New Hope', I stopped reading & died a little inside. ... When you have a few million small parts like this, you get a world where it's accepted ... :(

Hear! Hear!
So ... would someone with an account on Wikipedia go to George Lucas filmography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lucas_filmography to correct this entry ..

.. and edit the 1977 entry name of "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope" back to "Star Wars", with a "Notes" entry to indicate that the name was changed to "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope" in 1981 for Lucas' "Special Edition" re-edit? (Use "Star Wars: The Changes - Part One" http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html as a reference if you can't find a better one.) Because a tearful ghost of Obi-Wan Kenobi is watching from beyond the force  ... 

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Oops, grabbed the date from the wrong picture-caption (Fox logo). I've corrected it above from "1997" to "1981". Thanks for the catch, yoda-sama & CatBus!