Sluggo

Thanks guys.  It helps.

Grandpa passed away last night. 

danny_boy said:

I have to agree with Sluggo and Boost

Sluggo and the Boost strike again!

Besides back in 1997-1998,was not everyone drooling over those phantom menace trailer snippets like they were the second coming?

This is an excellent point.  It is easy to make even the worst projects look good when you are only showing a minutes of highlights carefully edited together.  Beware the trailer!

Man, I really want to post a picture of a tunafish sandwich over in lancy's threads.

They need to work Patrick Stewart into the film.

Furious George

zombie84 said:

...Purists may complain that FUII has trendy things like slow-motion/bulletime, and that its too violent and caters to adult audiences looking for something "cool" (whatever that means), and I guess there's some truth in that, ...

Star Wars was definitely a product of 1977.  I wouldn't mind if the prequels didn't look like 1977 and more like 2002 if they would have had an engaging story, likable characters, and actors who know how to act.  I wouldn't even mind bullettime if it was used in a decent movie.

TV's Frink said:

Well, my fantasy team with Romo and Austin is now crippled.

:-(

Romo arigato, Mr. Fink.

The 49ers have disappointed me for the last time.  I had such high hopes for you, Alex.  Why?

Molly,

I gots a question about the Deluxe Editions of Aladin, Lion King, Cinderella and the Fantasia.  A pal of mine was looking to transfer these to a DVD (both the movies and the bonus tapes) and was wondering if this has already been done.

Moth3r said:

Darth Solo said:

Im about to watch pirana 3D, which is supposed to be gory........i bet i fall asleep before the end.

Back in the eighties, I saw Jaws 3 at the cinema. Crap acting, non-existent story, a reliance on a 3D gimmick and abysmal special effects.

The 2010 remake of Piranha is even worse.

I watched the Amityville Horror in 3D on TV last year.  Dumb.  The 'ghost' thing at the end looked like a haunted piece of bubble-wrap.

ChainsawAsh said:

The first Saw was good.  I saw 2 and 3, and have refused to watch any of the others. 

I saw what you did there.

I don't like a lot of modern horror movies because of the gore.  I try to be careful what I put into my brain and I don't want a lot of gore or smut rattling around in there. 

So are they filming this in 3-D?

Crygor64 said:

Sorry folks, while I know my harsh words may have ruffled a few feathers, and I'm glad some of you took the time to write detailed responses (which I read but did not agree with), my point is still entirely valid.

Some of us don't feel the original trilogy needs "improvement." If you condemn George for making changes and yet you support Adywan and his "Extra Special Editions" you are a total hypocrite. There's no denying that truth. I'm not saying this to flame or to cause trouble, its just the truth. And someone needs to say this. Its loooong overdue.

This forum has roughly 60,000 posts. 30,000 of those posts are in two topics related to Adywan's "Extra Special Editions." If George has seen this is must make him laugh.

For once, it looks like he finally got the last laugh.

Aside from the massive amounts of hyperbole and extremism, I generally think Cygor is right.  If half the amount of creative energy that go into the discussion of how to make the Star Wars movies more enjoyable through new matte paintings went into preservation efforts, we might have near perfect OOT fan preservations by now.

That said, I ultimately blame Lucas for the fan-edit phenomenon.  If he hadn't thrown out all the rules by making the classic trilogy into his own fan-edit, it wouldn't have given fans the green-light to make their own.  And if he would have made the prequels as lousy as they were, we wouldn't have to make fan-edits to make them watchable.

If George felt that the classic trilogy needed a facelift, Adywan masterfully cleaned up George's botched surgery.  Would I rather watch the originals in blu-ray quality?  Of course.  But Adywan's edit is a fun alternative.  

That said, all these threads of how to further change A New Hope do get me a little irritated.  As well as the numerous sycophants on the boards.

But...

Really, between my love/hate relationship with these edits, it boils down to  two things for me.

"Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie." - Ham Salad from Hardware Wars

"It's fun to watch Star Wars." -Bill Moyers

As long as I keep those in mind, Star Wars stays fun.  Yeah, it takes the use of blinders to ignore a lot of the extraneous junk (see my When Did Star Wars stop being fun thread), and I might one day just bag the whole internet and only do my Star Wars enjoyment alone, but so far, Star Wars stays fun if you don't worry about it (and this applies to both sides - those who want to change thousands of details and those who view any tampering as blasphemous sacrilege).

You, Star Wars fan on the internet who may happen to read this, can enjoy your fandom how ever you would like.  Just don't tell me how to enjoy mine.  

Actually, you, Star Wars fan on the internet who may happen to read this, you should go outside and spend time with loved ones.

I'm getting off the computer for a while.  The dishes need washing.

Warb in 3...2....1....

I dropped that quiz like it was hot.  They should have put a warning label on it.

adywan said:

God , i'm loving reading through the making of empire book. Something interesting i found which will put the debate about the passage of time in the bespin scenes finally to rest:

"Typical of George was his clever concept of showing the passage of time in Cloud City," says Ellenshaw, "by going from sunrise to daylight to sunset for the falcons departure."

So there we have it . Why the hell they recoloured everything in 2004 to make it look more like sunset when the falcon arrives just shows to me that the recolouring was never a deliberate creative decision because that screws up the original intent of the scene.

Hey you... stop spamming Adywan's thread with all this off topic stuff.  What does this have to do with his edit?  

SilverWook said:

The 1940's Bugs Bunny cartoon "The grey old hare", set in the far off year of 2000, coined the name, ("Smellovision replaces Television!") but there was a real smell-o-vision film made in 1960.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scent_of_Mystery

 

John Waters also released Polyester in "Odorama", where a number flashed on the screen to tell you which part of a scratch and sniff card to use. I think Criterion reproduced that for the Laserdisc!

 

Well, I just learned more about Smell-O-Vision than I thought I ever would.  On the plus side, I'm adding the connection of Denholm Elliott and Eiizabeth Taylor to my 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon list.

EyeShotFirst said:

 

GET RID OF RICK BERMAN!!!

I think you mean Rick McCallum.  You've got your franchises mixed up.

There isn't any room in his established story for a sequel trilogy.  

Unless...

He changes Return of the Jedi with some story elements that can carry over into a sequel trilogy.  I know, you are thinking "George would never change any of his movies".  Think again.

The end sequence in Raiders.  The music is perfect as the Ark is rolled into the giant warehouse.  That huge wide shot of the ark being wheeled left and out of sight always gives me the chills.  

You guy's enthusiasm is giving me flashbacks to 1997.

The Temper Trap - Sweet Disposition

I went back and read an old thread of the "correct" reading order of all the novels as well as the current thread of the "correct" viewing order of the movies et al, and just got depressed.  Trying to keep up on the dozen or so TV and film projects, the hundred or so novels and the hundreds of comics, not to mention the card games and video games is just too much work.  It really sucks the fun out of being a fan of Star Wars. 

To me, there are two issues that spoil my fun.  First is the tendency for the official movies as well as the so-called expanded universe to shrink in size the more material is produced.  If it turns out that Anakin 'created' C-3PO and then 'created' Luke, this makes Luke and C-3PO brothers of sorts.  So when Luke buys the droids on Tatooine, it is a family reunion for Luke and a homecoming for 3PO who used to live there back before the clone wars.  It is just too much of a coincidence and really taxes the believability of the movies.  It reminds me of the TV show Heroes, where a group of people about wreck the world and their children are brought together by fate to right the wrongs that their parents did.  It made the Heroes characters live in a small world.

Second, the tendencies of the books and other stories to fill in every single detail of the movies.  Knowing that every single character in the Mos Eisley cantina has an exciting, adventurous back story really doesn't help me enjoy the movie.  It makes the movies a bit suffocating.  I liked following the story of a farm boy who gets caught up in an adventure and ends up saving the galaxy.  The idea that everyone around him is also involved in huge adventures kind of cheapens the heroes call to adventure.

With so much out there, it really seems to discourage a fan from using his own imagination to create his own stories in the cool worlds George created in '77 (and beyond).  I really liked letting my imagination run when it wasn't trying to be smothered by an official 'canon'.

What's your opinion?  I think less is definitely more.  Is more more?  Or how much is too much?

Mithrandir said:

Sluggo said:

Mithrandir said:

....

 Rookies? Where does that come from, man?

I knew of that scene but it doesn't really adjusts to what I said. Where's the mention to Anakin the Jedi, not the pilot? Where's the astonishment of what I've talked in my post? Anakin, as it is shown in the Prequels (here's the thing) is rather a legend, someone you would say "Do you REALLY have something to do with Skywalker?"; not that mere alussion. And I always thought of this in ESB, where the Luke's father question is almost filling the air of the film.

I'm just playin' with ya, man.

Is Anakin really a legend in the prequels?  Or just a rising star among the small ranks of the Jedi and some people in the galactic senate?  It is the EU that makes Anakin a much larger figure than what was actually portrayed in the film.

As far as the air in Empire, it is really only there if you choose to look at it that way.  Vader and the Emperor do talk about the Son of Skywalker, but that is just a hint that will be made good later in the film.  If you are looking at it with the family already in mind (or having previously watched the third episode) your view has already been determined.