I only watched this movie at the cinema, so I don’t really remember many details. But I remember two things that bothered me, which was the fact that Rocket and Quill started the movie sulking at each other for no reason, and the conversation scene between Gamora and her sister being too long. Did you change something about it?
So why does the OT have to keep the sequels in mind whatsoever now? I don’t mind at all if Ady wants to make the ending of ROTJ feel like an actual ending, with no hint one way or another toward the sequels.
Because Adywan doesn’t like the prequels and likes the sequels (look at his profile picture lol). I think the sequels are garbage, but this is Adywan’s edit, so he does what he thinks is right.
However, nothing prevents someone to take Ady’s ROTJ edit (when it’s done) and change the ending to an approach more aligned to the prequels, too.
I disagree.
Well, I believe the majority of the fanbase would prefer Anakin saying something about giving his saber to his child in Episode III. Any attempt that sucessfully manage to make this work in a fan edit is generally well received, since this increase Anakin’s character.
Besides that, the fact that this Obi-Wan line isn’t adressed in any way before or after he said it, in any movie, just make this fact weird. Why the lie about Vader killing Anakin is adressed in ROTJ and that one, not? The audience then presupposes that that one is a fact, and then after ROTS we discover that the whole story about Anakin giving his saber to his child is just one more lie from Obi-Wan. This just makes we question how many more lies Ben told in the movies, a man who was supposedly meant to be a honorable jedi…
I saw this clip that show Vader’s voice more in line with the voice he have in the other movies. Did you already see this? And if you already saw it, you plan to insert this audio in your edit?
Also, this isn’t a critique with your work but with the scene itself, but the sparring scene feels weird and has since the beginning. The biggest problem for me is the strange cut near the end when Obi-wan leaps into action again. It feels like there’s a missing shot, and I assume this was a cut point in the original scene but there’s definitely a loss of continuity here. The lines ‘Your weapon’s gone…it’s over.’ followed by ‘Your need for victory, Anakin, it blinds you’ feel superfluous to the flow before and after. Obi-wan’s next line ‘You’re a great warrior, Anakin…’ feels like the proper end to the action, and it may be best to just delete the second false ending altogether. I’d suggest cutting from Obi-wan being disarmed straight to the wideshot of Obi-wan spinning out of his crouch to put an end to the fight.
Also agree.
PixelJoker95 hinted that he would do something about the sparring scene in his edit, regarding the de-aging VFX. Maybe he can deliver a better result in making the actors look more similar to theirs AOTC versions with his own approach.
NFBisms, if you can answer that: you plan to work on the conversation between Anakin and Obi-wan before they fight? I saw your edit and really liked that you changed it to something more personal, although the dialogue between them seemed a bit unpolished for me. But still in the right direction, better than the original movie!
The original dialogue presented in the theatrical version is pretty stupid, in my opinion (my pupil and best friend is going to the dark side and I talk about… republic and democracy… duh).
I understand that edit that part must be really hard, but it would be so good to see a more emotional conversation between the two, as if we were really seeing the end of a friendship in that moment (with Obi-wan really trying to help his brother).
I’m not an editor, but as a viewer even this felt like it could have been 1 hour shorter. Many individual scenes just felt like they dragged a touch too long.
I agree with this.
I think you had a good idea intertwining the Boba and Mando storylines, as well as putting Mando in the beginning of the story and moving his reunion with Grogu to the end of the movie. Making this a Mandalorian Episode 3 is a good choice, too.
But I still think A LOT could be cut, really. Even entire scenes, like the “Holding Court” one, could be totally discarded in my opinion. The Boba Fett story unfortunately is too weak to sustain so many screentime (even in an edit that cut the fat like yours). This is Mando Episode 3 after all, so it shouldn’t be necessary for Boba to gain so much prominence, since he is not the protagonist of this story anymore in your edit. Besides that, to me Boba still seems to require Fennec’s approval on certain matters, instead of taking control of the situation, as we expected him to do from the start. And yes, he still talks a lot to a person who’s always been so quiet in the Star Wars lore.
Anyway, if you ever plan to make some kind of change to your edit in the future, my advice to you is this: make Djin be the real protagonist of this story, since Mando storyline is the strongest point of BOBF, and as for Boba, leave just what is really necessary for us to understand his arc. I like Boba and I care more for him than for Mando, but in the BOBF, less is more with him. Just my two cents.
Thank you so much for sharing your edit.
I’ve totally missed this.
It’s not a bad idea, and if I revisit the edit I might look into taking a similar approach.
Cool, I think this will improve the story A LOT.
It looks very good: at last a Disney Wars on tv production not looking cheap ! (I don’t count TCW/Bad Batch since they heavily derived from Lucas era standards)
A few nice stuff into it as well. My only worry is that it’s a prequel to a prequel I don’t like by more or less the same team.
Agree on every word.
This turn out good. This youtuber made a restoration of the scene too, if you are interested:
What’s the run time of your edit, please?
Ah, understand. Thanks for answering.
I see a version of your edit and both vader and kenobi fights seems as dark as it is in the show. You changed the light in these scenes?
If there’s a tradeoff between an opening to AOTC which feels horribly stilted and one that has some visual problems due to de-aging, I’ll take the visual issues any day.
Anyway, since people are suggesting their ideal opening to AOTC here are my two cents:
Landing on Coruscant
Deleted scene of Padme and the Senate
Palpatine’s office (full scene)
Establishing shot of Jedi Temple (using musical sting from Elevator scene) followed by Rescored Training Scene
Padme’s Apartment (Delete elevator scene)I think that the training scene covers all the introductory vibes we get in the elevator scene, so it should go.
This opening reveals an aspect of the film that didn’t occur to me until today, and that is the reason Palpatine wanted the Jedi assigned to Padme. In the deleted Senate scene, Padme is railing against the Army of the Republic, saying that security is antithetical to liberty. Palpatine recognizes that she could derail his plans, and must find a way to convince her that this security measure is required. Then in the office scene he impresses on her the severity of the situation and convinces her to take on extra security. It’s a direct psychological attack on her ideals.
Placing the martial training scene directly after this office scene drives this point home in a way that the original film does not. The Jedi are soldiers, regardless of what Windu says, and these soldiers have just been placed in the service of a person who detests military solutions.
This is really good! It also helps to disregard the changes in Hayden’s and Ewan’s age from one scene to another.
I saw the 30 min video. I find it a bit confusing, I don’t understood why Obi-Wan left Tatooine. Things happened too fast without an explanation.
Hi, Acbagel. Do you plan to change the ending of the second Vader vs Kenobi fight? Some users here suggested to make the fight end with Vader burying Obi-Wan with the rocks, and after Vader leave the planet, Obi-wan would then free himself thinking about Luke and Leia.
You plan to make something along these lines, the original approach or something different from these two options?
Hi Spence, this guy made an alternate Tala scene of her escaping the stormstroopers, if you are interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JA4mLUzhEk&list=LL&index=61
By the way, you still plan to add PixelJoker’s improvements in your edit, when they are ready?
Yeah, I think that’s what edits are made for, isn’t it? The editors take aspects that didn’t look very well in the work, and try to improve them. In fact, it’s much more interesting when the editor manages to make a not-so-good aspect of the film look cool in the final result rather than simply cutting it, after all the creators thought the original story with this particular element in mind. For me, Reva is a character that needed a little more development to make it work, and I think that’s entirely possible to archieve through editing. BUT, if you think she’s already a good character on the show, that’s great too. I believe people following this thread are excited to see your version of the show because your ideas are really different, creative and seem to work really well with the story, regardless of whether it has more Reva or less Reva.
But that’s it, regardless of what you decide, try to do what makes you most comfortable. I would personally love to see your take on the show.
It’s a good idea. Maybe you can change the hologram aspect to something more easier to do, in terms of editing. You can make Anakin yelling in the scene, and change the scene to Palpatine’s office but making Anakin dialogue continue through radio transmission, and switching continuously from one scene to another, mainly to hide Padmé’s presence. This way, maybe you could imply that Anakin is talking to Palpatine.
The problem with this idea I proposed is that Anakin looks directly to Padmé when he talks, so it would be strange to have Anakin clearly looking to something during the scene, but with no one in the room while he speak through radio transmission 😄. But it might work, I don’t know.
Yeah, I don’t know… The idea is awesome, but putting the flashback scene side by side with AOTC scenes still don’t seems to fit to me. Even with the deepfake on Hayden, he still looks very different from when he was younger (he was skinny in AOTC, and now he has a thick neck, for example). Even Mcgregor looks so much different too, the voice, the wig/hair…
Maybe if you manage to make their skin tones be more or less the same from when they were younger, and the tone of voice too, the difference could be less noticiable. If you notice, they looked a little tanned back then. At least, that’s the impression I get.
Sorry, V2.5 😄
Anjohan, I noticed that during the new rescue, the color of Leia’s coat changes in a few shots to the former green, instead of staying brown. I think that you probably noticed it but let this pass by, since it’s just a few glimpses, but I’m just saying in case you haven’t seen this detail.
(By the way, thank you for uploading V2 😉)
Return of the Jedi very much ends with “And they lived happily ever after”, so seeing the Luke that rejected the dark side and turned Vader to the light fall prey to the very doubts and fears that he successfully resisted may seem counter to expectations. However, real life is full of regressions, relapses and setbacks. People contain multitudes, and personally I prefer my characters to be messy.
I think that the thing with Luke is that we don’t see a natural fall of the character. The last time we see Luke in ROTJ he is happy and well-balanced, and suddenly he is completely different in TLJ, as Octorox said. However, the problem is that the reason behind his fall is just showed in a brief flashback and explained in a really superficial way, and this is why it was received so bad by a big part of the fandom.
Kenobi, for the other side, has a fall super acceptable, since we saw in ROTS all the motives for him to being that way in the show.
Hi Spence, you still have the link for the version of your edit that don’t have the cousin scene? If so, could you please PM me the link for it?
Yeah, for the people who liked the show at how it actually is story wise, a fanedit like the tiktocker one could be a good shot, sure. But many people disliked the fact that Leia was rescued twice in the same series, Vader let Kenobi escape for no apparent reason in their first battle, Reva tryed to kill Luke with a poor reason, etc. So when the faneditors take this kind of thing in consideration, they aren’t just doing what they wanted to see in the series, they are making something observing the complaints of other fans too.
I think that these edits are more for the fans that didn’t like the show fully, just parts of it (but still want to liked it).