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Anjohan said:

Vladius is right on the money.

The fact that people have to reiterate that the reason the fandom is toxic is because women are now the dominant force in Star Wars is laughable. That is all coming from the manipulative media spout going on. Nothing creates more clicks than putting people up against each other. America is one of the best in the business at this; not to mention Hollywood. Create a problem and then be the solution. 90% of all male and female viewers want to be entertained and enthralled in a good story. The rest is the 10% hateful and spiteful people that hate regardless of what is put up for show.

Take game of thrones. A worldwide phenomenon - the last generation’s most beloved show that had an arsenal of powerful and empathetic male and female characters. Why were they all so beloved? A good fucking story.

• Margery Tyrell? Flawed, ambitious, smart and fierce.
• Cersei? Flawed, loving mother, determined and extremely cunning.
• Daenerys? Queen of Thorns? Ygritte? Melisandre? Arya? Sansa? Brienne? Talysa? The list goes on and on. Every single female character I could write an essay about. And also, most of the people that survive through game of thrones are the females! Did anyone EVER say ANYTHING about that? Or that Olenna Tyrell says straight out to the audience - almost 4th wall breaking “Do you know why I’ve outlived them all [all the men]? I ignored them!”

Women are cunning and clever, whilst the men were too ambitious and too impulsive. That’s why she outlived them all, and so did most women.

Did a single male fan go berserk? Where was the toxic fandom then?

The toxic fandom starts when the stories turn shit and the creators disrespect the fans. You saw it with Game of Thrones season 8. You saw it with Star Wars The Last Jedi. You saw it with The Witcher.

Why were these stories so good and beloved at a time? A good fucking story with three dimensional arcs, and deeply flawed character traits in every single one. And the promotional material? Focused on the STORY and the CHARACTERS. Not on politics, diversity and toxicity.

Why is current Star Wars laughed at and mocked? Because the stories and characters seem to come second. They’re the weakest part of current Star Wars. It’s turned into political statements and self-proclaimed diversity heroes rather than filmmakers and storytellers.

It’s not because of a gender or diversity. The only PROBLEM with those two is that it’s the only narrative spun to try and justify the negative reactions to their absolute trash execution of the last 10 years of storytelling (generalized).

Nobody and their aunt gives a fuck about the gender on screen. Literally nobody. Here in Europe we’re mostly completely baffled by the insanity in how this is the presented narrative abroad. It’s actually insanity. Insanity!

Write a good fucking story, listen to feedback from ALL parts of the fandom and write compelling character arcs that are planned and executed; characters with huge flaws, very specific character traits and let them all FAIL, together and alone, regardless of any background, gender or skin color. Let them all struggle, and unite, and overcome.

Strong male and female characters is a complete diversion, just like the ancient “Best Actress/Best Male Actor” categories. You have strong characters, and you have good actors. All the rest is noise.

I totally agree. If what you said happened in the current shows, there wouldn’t be any strange controversy, only the points concerning the stories would be discussed. In my opinion, the heavy insertion of political agendas into products is destroying the world of entertainment in general, not just Star Wars. A lot of people just want to relax and watch something cool, and fantasy/sci-fi stories should be that escapism for people from the crap that goes on in the world every day, not a constant reminder. I saw the first two episodes and thought they were ok, but this third one was a big no for me.

I can’t understand why everything you said isn’t a consensus, since it’s basic logic for good stories to be told, but whatever. Each with their own points of view.

Edit: I saw here that I was banned, sorry for breaking the rule about politics. I really hadn’t noticed this rule. But, rules are rules, and I agree and understand the ban 100%. May the force be with you

Personally, I don’t blame fans for doing review bombs in star wars productions. Star Wars movies and series from the Disney era were made in such a poor way and, what’s worse, the executives/producers indirectly make fun of the fandom so regularly, that I think it’s even normal for people who enjoy Star Wars to do this. They are passionate fans (even more, they are consumers) of the franchise, who are dissatisfied and want to make this satisfaction heard, and the review bomb is one way to do that. Even fans of this site are dissatisfied with the franchise, otherwise they wouldn’t make such radical fan edits with almost 100% of the productions that Lucasfilm releases. The whole thing just got out of hand at this point.

It’s sad that a franchise created to entertain has become a stage for agendas and political-social messages. Let’s agree, no one here fell in love with Star Wars because of that kind of thing. If the focus was on telling a good story, with good action scenes and a sincere feeling for the franchise, I think we would have fewer questionable productions at this point under Disney management, and more stories with heart.

Somebody knows if PixelJoker knows the original plans for the Kenobi movie series? Maybe it’s too late, but this could guide him, because the show is based of in the ideas of the movie series, and most of the things that don’t make much sense in the show are handed really better in the original script. Maybe PJ could pick the discarded ideas that are easiest to implement and put in his movie through editing.

This video show the ideas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR37_vFys1M

I think the original Jabba is better, but I also think that it was cool that you tried something different with the scene. Wish the best with your project

Hey Smudger, I’d like to make a suggestion. Do you think it would be a good idea for you to “create” an ending for this third film that had more of an ending feel? Perhaps it is possible to produce an ending that gives at least some kind of answer to all the unresolved plots, even if they are vague answers, repurposing scenes that were discarded from its three edits. It doesn’t have to be anything extravagant, just something that gives a sense of conclusion.

For example, from what I understand, you will cut the Teth arc. But maybe it would be good to show a scene from this arc at the end, just to imply that Rex’s clone cells are still organizing themselves and will continue fighting against the empire, or something like that.

When Omega, as an adult, looks at Tech’s glasses, just before leaving Pabu, maybe it would be cool if she had a flashback at that moment to something Tech taught her, maybe even something that was motivating her to fight for the rebellion. Or maybe at this moment, make her have a touching memory with all the members of Bad Batch, as if it were her actually saying goodbye to the group. Since you left a lot of filler scenes out of the three seasons, perhaps this would be a good time to use one or more of those scenes that are inspirational, something that makes her remember fondly the moments she spent with them.

Maybe some changes like these will give the ending more impact, I don’t know.

Do you plan to add the scene of Ahsoka in Padmé’s funeral from Tales of The Jedi?

I watched your edit of season 2, and first I want to thank you for sharing your edit. When I watched the edit I thought it was excellent, despite there being some parts where the narrative is very slow. Something told me that Crosshair’s arc had been more significant when I watched the second season, but I couldn’t say exactly what. It was then that I remembered The Solitary Clone, and man, I think this episode makes a significant difference to the story of Season 2.

I would like to ask honestly, did you remove it because you considered it filler, because it wasn’t to your personal taste, or for another reason? Because, personally, I think there is a possibility of cutting some scenes from the political arc at the beginning, as well as some scenes from Pabu, without affecting the overall pace of the edit, and including at least the core scenes from The Solitary Clone. Of course this is your edit and you know what makes the most sense to you in the story, but in my personal experience, when I watched your edit, I felt that the dramatic weight surrounding the Crosshair uprising in Barton IV was much lighter than when I watched the entire season, and that’s due to the absence of this episode.

During this arc, we see Crosshair’s blind loyalty to the Empire in a clearer way than in the first season, as well as his level of dedication to completing a mission, even if it doesn’t make sense, due to his mantra of “good soldiers follow orders”. And then, when Crosshair finally realizes that the empire sees the clones as disposable, we remember all the loyalty, all the dedication he gave, and just like Crosshair, we realize that it was for nothing. And The Solitary Clone shows all this dedication of the character, helping the audience to understand the anguish that Crosshair feels at this turning point. Furthermore, the fact that Crosshair learned that Cody, a clone he respected and who was also loyal to the empire, rebelled, adds an additional layer to his decision to rebel later. And the fact that Rampart, an official of the empire, mentions that Cody is another one of the clones who defected, also helps us realize that this is not just a movement organized by the Bad Batch or Rex, but that this is probably happening with several clones throughout the galaxy, as they are seeing that the empire is no good and that even the inhibitor chips are not stopping the clones from rebelling, as Cody shows.

In short, I consider this episode important mostly because for me it is a build up to Crosshair’s change of side, and this is one of the most important moments in the Bad Batch show. Without it, his decision loses some impact. But again, I thought your edit was really great. You made me feel like Pabu’s scenes are important to the story lol, something I failed to realize while watching the original season. Also, I was going through a pretty stressful week when I watched your edit, and it helped me distract myself and disconnect from my problems, so thanks again 😄

MORC said:

Cool, but are we going to ever see an animated series like this for OT characters?

Yeah, an animated series post-ROTJ would be great.

I hope that we can see Grievous past in TOTJ S2, maybe aligning with the story of Sifo Dyas, which was virtually non-existent in animation or live action format

Oh yeah, something I noted while watching episode 1 that I forgot to mention here. Cid’s role was explained? If I remember, the batch search for her without explaining why in the edit. I watched her introduction scene twice, but english isn’t my first language.

The new episode was a banger. For me, for now, 1 weak and 3 good episodes.

Channel72 said:

I mean, the show isn’t even that good. It’s like a 6.5 out of 10, mostly. It’s certainly no Andor. It still suffers a bit from pointless filler episodes. But I’m just pleasantly surprised to see actual competent writing in Star Wars these days.

Yeah, I agree. But the show is 6.5/10 mostly because of the filler content, that makes the show weak. If this series is just the good content, it could be 8.5, or even 9, for what it is proposed. And I’m glad this isn’t like Andor 😄

Caston said:

I think it’ll be interesting to see a “must watch episodes guide” to this series after it ends; without the filler and aimless episodes in season 1 and early season 2. Or a strong stripped-down fan edit of the series.

100% this. Smudger9 season 1 edit of Bad Batch is really good.

The movie budget will be around 120 million:

https://www.cbr.com/the-mandalorian-grogu-surprisingly-low-budget/

I watched the season 1 edit, and I really liked it. Personally, I found Cad Bane’s plot a bit filler and out of touch with the main plot of the movie you constructed, but I think that’s just me. And personally I didn’t understand much What happened to Gregor, because it seems like he disappeared out of nowhere 😄. But I thought the edit was very solid, I really had a good time watching it

The star wars disney movies didn’t do very well in terms of be “inspired”, either.

I was joking XD. This is the kind of discussion that never ends, because both sides always presents valid points.

losthead said:

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The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope

That’s still not how the Force works. You don’t go from level one to one hundred in a matter of minutes, especially if you’re Sabine and didn’t really learn anything.

Luke went from struggling with a training droid to guiding a proton torpedo into an exhaust port within one day. Sabine went from sensing Ahsoka’s presence to pushing a guy a few feet within a few days.

Luke is naturally strong with the Force. Sabine isn’t. Nor does she seem to resonate strongly with the ways of the Jedi.

You don’t see a problem, from a narrative point of view, with the idea that anybody can become a powerful Force user, despite having no aptitude for it, and putting in minimal effort?

…I suppose that’s an opinion one could hold.

Yes?

“The Force is an energy field that binds all living things. It surrounds us, and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”

“The Force resides in all living things. But you have to be open to it.”

Practically every mentor character in Star Wars screams that anyone can use the Force, so long as they are open to it. Sabine’s arc is about opening up. The implication that one needs to be naturally strong in order to excel in the Force is antithetical to what Star Wars preaches.

Qui-Gon Jinn wants to have a talk with you about midi-chlorians.

Well, certainly these two statements weren’t made by the same people.

Vladius said:

Everything everyone else said is right. I wasn’t rooting for the show to get better because that would just be wasted, but it’s fun to watch it to pick it apart anyway.
I have no problems with Thrawn’s casting. He does the voice really well, which makes sense. The issue is the writing, of course. They didn’t really have a way to make him tactically genius. His main gimmick seems to be commenting on acceptable losses.
Mercenaries die. Ah, an acceptable loss.
Baylan quits. Ah, an acceptable loss.
Stormtroopers die. Ah, an acceptable loss.
TIE fighters run into the enemy ship for no reason. Ah, an acceptable loss.
Morgan dies. Ah, an acceptable loss.

In my opinion, you and WitchDR illustrated well how amateur this show was in terms of script, production, etc. Personally, I also found the zombie stormtroopers very embarrassing (I didn’t think the idea was bad, but the execution was very ridiculous).

I even wonder if this series (at least the first season) is necessary for the mandoverse. Honestly, depending on how things go until Filoni’s film, perhaps it could be completely skipped in future fan edits.

Firstly, this series appears to have almost no connection to Ahsoka’s appearances in Mando and BOBF. In Mando she questions Morgan about Thrawn, and this was not addressed in the Ahsoka show. In the series we find out that she trained Sabine, but this is not even mentioned in Mando and BOBF. Now we find out that she was conflicted, but that hasn’t come across in her appearances so far either, because the character is completely different in this show.

Secondly, everything points to Ahsoka returning with Sabine in a possible second season, which in theory would make her trip to another galaxy something “skippable” in an edit. Thrawn’s return is the type of information that can be reported in a crawl, for example, as well as the information that Ahsoka has a padawan.

I would really like to have seen a more character driven season, as Ahsoka from the animations is a very good character. But unfortunately, the character development was the series’ biggest flaw, in my opinion.

Every episode dragged a lot. If the last one get right into the point, it could certainly resolve the plot points so far. Unfortunately, this episode should be a smash to elevate considerably the level of the series, but I personally don’t see it happening. Overall, Ahsoka disappointed hard a bunch of fans. Of course a lot of people liked/loved it, but I feel that the show is becoming more and more divisive over time as TLJ and Andor.

It’s really good.

She was spreading her stoicism across the galaxy

I have an idea, I don’t know if it would work in practice. I think it would be interesting to start the story with some of the clone wars scenes shown in the series.

I say this because Ahsoka, in theory, starts in the series with a conflict, right? However, the public only discovers that she is conflicted in episode 5. Personally, I think that focusing on the character’s development is more interesting than the quest to prevent Thrawn from returning. This is Ahsoka’s series, after all. Showing her conflict right away would serve to introduce the character in a more appropriate way than fighting robots in a temple, serving to tell her personal journey since the beginning of the story.

That said, I think it would be interesting to show some of these scenes as a dream of Ahsoka, and show her waking up from this dream in that scene with Hyuang on the ship, and only after that begin the plot of Ezra/Thrawn’s search. Later on, when Baylan knocks her into the water, the focus would be on the world between worlds sequence, where she would get the motivation to move forward, leaving the conflict behind.

Vladius said:

I don’t get why people are saying “oh people are going to hate the turtle aliens for sure!” They are easily the least offensive, most normal thing in the show lol. I loved the porgs in TLJ too. I’m much more concerned with everything else going on.

I agree. What bothers me most about the show is the fact that it is something made strictly for those who watched Rebels. The series assumes that all its viewers have already watched the animation and simply continues the arcs of the characters created there, making no effort to re-present their motivations in a satisfactory way. I haven’t watched it, and I have a really hard time caring about the journeys of Ezra, Sabine, Hera, etc. As their arcs are a vital part of Ahsoka’s story, the series itself has been pretty boring for me.

Thrawn himself, I found to be a very dull character. I would be much more engaged in the story if they created something that addressed more of the events of the original trilogy or even the mandoverse. For example, if it were revealed that Grogu’s kidnapping was an order from Thrawn or something like that.

It’s no wonder that Baylan and Shin have become two of the public’s favorites, after all they at least have a certain charisma. All the other characters so far, including Ahsoka, are very poorly worked (at least, in my opinion).