Sir Ridley

Yeah, I haven’t worked much on it lately, but I wouldn’t say it’s dead (and neither am I, I’m fine, thank you). Suggestions are still welcome and I’ll let you know if there is something interesting to report.

Hal is doing Restructured V3 and he wants to include some effects I have planned for my edit. I will replace the facial scar on Kylo (which looks different in TLJ) and remove Chewie from the scene where he should have been hugged by Leia, so those shots will be completed some time in the foreseeable future.

NeverarGreat said:

Sir Ridley said:

Really cool idea! I like the way you’re able to think outside the box like that. I wonder if that change would give any problems later on, though. If you reduce the importance of Luke and increase the importance of Finn then maybe the ending where she leaves Finn behind and goes after Luke wouldn’t work as well.

Also, how do you feel about including the deleted scene with the doctor saying to Rey “your friend will be fine”? I was initially against it, it seemed like it would be unnecessary sugar coating of the situation. But it would make Rey seem more comfortable with leaving Finn without worrying too much. And it would downplay the importance of Finn’s injury to the audience, he wakes up in the beginning of TLJ anyway.

That scene always felt weird to me. In theory it would make sense, especially with the emphasis on their relationship, but in practice the doctor’s delivery is almost creepy and I don’t know if there’s a natural place for that scene.

It definitely makes sense for the movie to end without the trip to Luke’s island, given this idea. But then again, one of the reasons for the Reydream scene was to emphasize her connection to Luke, so maybe connecting her with Luke in one scene and disconnecting her in another scene makes it a wash? The island is still in play right now. I don’t have any definitive ideas on how to make it absolutely necessary/cut it completely without losing good stuff that I already like in the movie.

Yeah, I see. I don’t really like the doctor scene either, it’s not exactly good. But it might serve a purpose, I haven’t decided if I’ll use it yet. I plan to end the movie with Rey leaving and save the island for TLJ, so I would like to end on a hopeful note.

In regards to the Reydream it isn’t clearly connected to Luke until we see the Island “for real” so for first time viewers it might not help explain her need to find Luke, but I still think it’s a good addition either way. Perhaps you could even add a faint sound of Luke calling for Rey or something, but maybe that’s a bit too much.

Really cool idea! I like the way you’re able to think outside the box like that. I wonder if that change would give any problems later on, though. If you reduce the importance of Luke and increase the importance of Finn then maybe the ending where she leaves Finn behind and goes after Luke wouldn’t work as well.

Also, how do you feel about including the deleted scene with the doctor saying to Rey “your friend will be fine”? I was initially against it, it seemed like it would be unnecessary sugar coating of the situation. But it would make Rey seem more comfortable with leaving Finn without worrying too much. And it would downplay the importance of Finn’s injury to the audience, he wakes up in the beginning of TLJ anyway.

Beautiful! Красивый! 😄

I appreciate the rambling though, thanks. 😉

In the establishing shot the sun is shining mostly on the weapon side where we don’t see any intakes. The planet goes dark when the sun is drained, so we’ll have to assume that the sun shining on the base is also the one being drained and that it can be drained from that angle.

So here’s what I think. The positions of the gun and the intakes are fixed. But there might be many small intakes spread out across the surface. The intakes can also be tilted and take in the sun energy at an angle. I assume the sun beam can bend a bit as well. First of all the gun is pointed at the target (by moving the planet around somehow), and the sun is drained through one or several intakes that are the closest ones to the sun being drained.

So perhaps we should see a beam from the sun that goes behind the planet on the side where the sun shines.

Here’s a look at a charging port. There are mountains around it, and we see a small outpost with TIE fighters on the left side which indicate the scale of the thing, it’s big but probably not big enough to be clearly visible from space. I’m guessing about 200 meters in diameter, maybe? It’s also angled a bit.

Here’s a shot of what the draining looks like from the surface, the beam seems to be angled relative to the surface of the planet. It looks like the beam goes into a single spot.

In this map we don’t see any big charging holes, but there are many circular things on the surface, perhaps some of them could be charging holes? We can also see a line across the side of the planet that seems to separate it into a front half and a back half, I wonder if this could suggest that the back is different and maybe that’s where the charging happens? There also seems to be some sort of structure on the bottom of the planet, could that be related to the charging? Perhaps it charges from the top and/or bottom?

Another wiew of the back of the planet, nothing visible there though…

No visible charging holes here, unless they’re the black dots in the middle of the hexagon patterns.

A view of a screen suggesting that the sun beam enters the top or bottom of the planet, not sure how accurate this is though as the graphics need to be simplified to some extent.

Here’s a piece of concept art showing many massive charging holes, this might be a hint.

I see what you mean now! Yes, maybe the weapon shouldn’t be glowing, I will think about changing that.

I agree with Neverar about the stream though, I would say it’s outside the frame. If the shot showed more of Starkiller Base the stream might be visible. Maybe I could create and insert a zoomed out shot of the base where we see the stream to clarify what’s going on.

Yeah, there’s one shot where the charging port is visible, and it has a different design than the weapon itself. The repurposed and reversed firing shot after Hux’s speech could imply that the charging is done through the weapon nozzle but if I remember correctly the weapon itself isn’t visible in that shot so we could assume that the stream goes into the charging port.

Thank you for mentioning it! However, the firing hole and the charging hole are not the same, so you wouldn’t be able to see the charging happening from that angle. I don’t think there’s an issue, but I will keep this in mind just to be sure.

Telion said:

Yeah seeing this id say it might be better just hearing the ignition. The original felt so much more ominous. Iconic shot or not, I don’t think it works as well.

Yeah, it works well by itself, but of course it has to be weighed against the original cut. Might not be an improvement.

Bobson Dugnutt said:

Sir Ridley said:

I’m considering it, if the shots fit in seamlessly and make the sequence better then I will include them.

I’ve added the shot of Kylo igniting his saber in the forest for my own perpetually unfinished edit. It fits the scene well and besides the hood being present, it works well. I added a lot of the cut stuff from the trailers and TV spots before stopping work after Finn wakes up in the desert.

https://vimeo.com/247987600

Thanks for showing me, that works nicely! 😄

I’m considering it, if the shots fit in seamlessly and make the sequence better then I will include them.

Thank you! 😄

Not sure, but probably not earlier than August and possibly later than that. Thanks for asking.

That could be a good compromise, it’s mostly like my original idea of just cutting the droid, but more open for interpretation. Nice.

Telion said:

Sir Ridley said:

The resistance gets alerted first which makes the spy reveal less surprising. But it’s no big deal, its probably better to just leave it in. I’ll consider changing the subtitles though, that’s a good idea!

Um, could you restructure the scene so that we see the FO spy send a message, then after the FO arrive and we go to the R droid and it starts to notify the Resistance, but gets cut off be an explosion (the ties bombing the castle). So it can go from Maz saying “there here” to the droid (you can change the sub to whatever and dub chatter for screaming) before an explosion effect fills the screen and to Rey arriving and then looking in horror as we cut to the outside being destroyed and collapsing. Or something.

That’s interesting, that would let the FO spy be the reveal that they’re found but still show how the Resistance found out as well. But I’m not sure if cutting to an unknown droid as the attack starts is a good idea, it might be better to focus on the main characters at that point. And that would give the Resistance very little time to react, as well. So I think it’s better to cut it or leave it rather than move it.

One solution could be to just leave the robot shot but remove the subtitles so we don’t know what it says, but that wouldn’t be very different from just cutting the shot I guess.

ChainsawAsh said:

I think Hal is using Final Cut, not Premiere. Unless something has changed that I missed.

Ah, I see. pleasehello brought up Premiere and I somehow got the idea that Hal used it too.

Hal 9000 said:

Things that remain -

I still need to find a way to apply DrDre’s LUT to my footage.

Sir Ridley’s upcoming augmented Yoda puppetry (might just be better to leave it as is)

If you have the “Lumetri Color” effect in Premiere, you just need to create an adjustment layer on top of your edit, put Lumetri Color on the layer and set the LUT as the “input LUT” in the Lumetri settings.

The Yoda fix could be done some time later this year, I haven’t started on the real thing yet. Not sure it would be worth waiting for if you’re otherwise finished, but we’ll see how it goes.

SUP3RDeathStar said:

This might be addressed somewhere in all of your threads, but for the 5.1 PCM audio file, what speaker order do you have it in? I popped the file into Sony Vegas but couldn’t really differentiate between the 6 (i.e. which track is the Left, Center, Right, Left Surround, Right Surround, and LFE).

I can’t check if this is true right now but I think it’s left, right, center, LFE, left surround, right surround. At least center and LFE should be easy to spot (dialogue versus sub bass).

Based on the amount of grain in the film there’s not a huge difference between upscaled 1080p and native 4K in this case, so just using the regular blu-ray should be fine.

A nice trick for unnoticeably upscaling shots is to de-noise it, upscale it and then apply noise again. I depends on the quality of the de-noising and upscaling algorithms, though.

RogueLeader said:

I had some thoughts about Rey and her parents that I wanted to share with you guys. I know this has been discussed before but I thought I’d give another perspective.

Does Rey’s vision in TFA contradict what is revealed about her parents in 8? In TFA we’re given the impression that Rey’s parents left the planet on a ship, but in TLJ, Kylo Ren tells her that her parents sold her for drinking money and eventually died poor on Jakku.
So did Rey just change the last memory of her parents as a coping mechanism?

It doesn’t necessarily contradict anything. The leaving ship symbolizes that “they left” but maybe they just went away to some other part of Jakku or maybe they went to the “drinking planet” and later came back poor and died. Who knows. But it’s an interesting discussion and there are many ways to handle this, of course.

Your mother once thought this should do:
https://mega.nz/#!bR0CUAgZ!8tXiiKI9PUpvmjG1VO3qkCUnFyiF5YaVewQ-oSBXAdw

Like this, maybe:
https://mega.nz/#!fQ1DmS4A!cuU2UJcLnTv_t1AoWirsnUTyjJUbqrrQIx7WVbyvAkg

JEDIT: I worked a bit on the clarity, the pitch shifting makes it a bit “fuzzy”.

JEDIT 2: Drew out “mother” a tiny bit more.

Here’s a slightly different one:
https://mega.nz/#!accxyI7Q!kF1Yn8WluPCFzkD3od4reUtZh7hjOG0LX7qgjBA8dzk

jarbear said:

Yep that is an improvement. I think what sticks out is the moTHER part of it. The reason is the word goes up, which makes a “jump” to the next word/ original face of “once thought…” So if there is a way it sounds more like “YOUR MOther once that…” I think that may help it. So maybe a source that goes down on sounds/quotes with “ther” or “er” maybe is what’s needed?

I hope that make sense?

I updated my post after a couple of minutes with a new version, does this apply to the version that is linked now? Because it goes up on “MO” and down on “ther” (MOther). I feel like he should emphasize that word. But I adjust the intonation digitally so it can be shifted around.

Vader voice clip improved a little bit:
https://mega.nz/#!DZ9FDaCD!-kMjEGOySYEq5riNhUUgNwLj7VvAVwbRo7fi6JTu4BY