Yeah, now that this first scene has been “approved” I can try to achieve a similar look for the other scene. We’ll see what needs to be done.
I think that looks perfectly fine, though I wonder if less would be more. Based on TFA, the hallway shouldn’t really look blue. I think it might do better to turn down the effect to split the difference between the parts of the frame that should and shouldn’t be bluish.
I could turn down the blueness a bit. I actually did mask the hallway so it isn’t blue all the way in, there’s warmer light coming from further inside the ship.
Here’s a new comparison of a slightly tweaked shot with a better view of the hallway:
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/YWWWNNNX
Here’s a comparison of the interior shot that follows the exterior shot, before and after my added hyperspace lighting.
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/100JNNNU
Excellent work ! It looks very good… but may be looking a little bit too “sharp and clean” ? (adding slight film grain could be an option, just to see the result ?)
Thank you. I did add some blur and grain to make it look a bit more organic, maybe I can adjust it.
It looks great. The one thing that I think could be improve is the ship’s movement. It starts out and then it feels like it decreases speed and settles in place towards the end. I feel like the speed could be more consistent.
The original shot has a very similar movement, but I could tweak it a bit. The speed is actually consistent, but it feels faster when the ship is closer to the camera. Perhaps I could increase the speed a little bit toward the end.
Glad you like it! 😃 Here’s a video of the effect:
pass: fanedit
Here’s what I have for the exterior shot.
I’ve tried to balance the look to be modern but not too modern. Style wise it’s TFA but the color is closer to ANH. I opted to replace the ship with a 3D model instead of rotoscoping the old ship (which had an error with the engine glow being in the wrong place), hopefully it doesn’t feel out of place. Thoughts?
I did a little analysis of the TLJ score album and counted how many minutes of old themes are on the album (so it’s not the entire score, but I assume the full score has a similar old/new ratio).
What I found was that there was less than 11 minutes of themes carried over from TFA, and just over 10 minutes of themes from the older movies. I didn’t count the title theme and the start of the end title music that are the same in all movies. That leaves over 1 hour of entirely new music, or about 74%. If the full score has a similar amount there might be about 1 hour and 45 minutes of new music.
I think that’s pretty impressive considering that the score should use old themes for characters and things from earlier movies. Personally I’m a big fan of the TLJ score and the balance between old and new music works for me. I’m very excited to hear the score for IX.
That’s actually really surprising to hear. I’ll have to watch TLJ again, because I could’ve sworn the old themes kept popping up every other time music was played. I’d also love to hear anybody’s thoughts on the main title score actually. The first note doesn’t feel as intense as the rest of the movies, but perhaps that’s more to do with a different orchestra playing than the first six? Or I’m a fool.
I think the old themes do pop up a lot, but you probably pay extra attention when that happens (because you recognize it) and don’t notice the new music in the same way.
About the first note I’ve heard this complaint for the TFA recording. It’s a bit different in every movie (except for the prequels which used the same recording), so I guess it’s a matter of taste which way you prefer it. Here’s a quote from Rian Johnson about that:
“We re-recorded it with John Williams. They re-record it every time they do it. The more interesting thing for me was the mix. Realizing it’s just like mixing a song. Realizing there’s many different ways you can mix that opening fanfare. And if you listen to all the different movies, every single one of them has a slightly different take on the mix of the fanfare. Some are brighter some are warmer. The Force Awakens one has a sharper attack to it. We went for a warmer-type feel.”
Keeping an open mind is why I loved Solo (other than how dark most shots were). My main (likely only) concern for IX is John Williams’ score. I thought he did great in TFA, but I noticed a lot of repeating in TLJ that got me slightly annoyed by the music. I can’t think of a track in TLJ that originated there other than Luke walking out on Crait, but that was already used in the trailer, so I was already a little numb to it. But I’m down to discuss more once some IX stuff starts coming out.
I did a little analysis of the TLJ score album and counted how many minutes of old themes are on the album (so it’s not the entire score, but I assume the full score has a similar old/new ratio).
What I found was that there was less than 11 minutes of themes carried over from TFA, and just over 10 minutes of themes from the older movies. I didn’t count the title theme and the start of the end title music that are the same in all movies. That leaves over 1 hour of entirely new music, or about 74%. If the full score has a similar amount there might be about 1 hour and 45 minutes of new music.
I think that’s pretty impressive considering that the score should use old themes for characters and things from earlier movies. Personally I’m a big fan of the TLJ score and the balance between old and new music works for me. I’m very excited to hear the score for IX.
I sent you a PM for a download link, this looks absolutely incredible and i cant wait to watch it!
Happy to hear that, however it’s not done. At the moment I’m helping Hal with one of his edits, but maybe I’ll have time to finish my edit later this year.
Managed to get a nice full screen hyperspace tunnel in a 6 second loop. I’ll upload the clip later as a resource. The next thing to do is to replace the existing tunnel in the exterior shot, I’ll post a progress picture once I get somewhere with that.
Currently working on getting a clean hyperspace tunnel from the Battlefront II cutscene. Going well so far.
A Reylo type relationship required Kylo to be less evil in TFA and for Rey to join Kylo in TLJ. It’s infeasible to squeeze it into IX at this point with how the previous 2 films have been.
Well, they almost joined in TLJ, but if the story as a whole is supposed to end with them together that can’t happen before the last movie. Romantic stories usually has some kind of trouble in the middle that is overcome by the end, so it could happen in IX. Of course Kylo has done some unforgivable things, but I would say things are pointing toward some kind of redemption in the end which would make a Reylo relationship of some kind more “okay” even though it is of course problematic in many ways. But that’s what makes it interesting as well, it’s not obvious what will happen and how it will be dealt with.
Is that a shareable link? It says I have to request access.
I just fixed the link. Here you are.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoyGFgTIQXTW8jpxq2lECZVnUXgIccjD/view
Really interesting, he makes great points (mostly, a few are a bit far fetched). I agree that there is some kind of romance going on. Not sure what it will lead to in IX, but I wouldn’t mind a “Reylo” ending. It’s certainly a problematic relationship so it would probably not be a purely happy ending, perhaps bittersweet or even sad. We’ll see.
I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”
I feel like she puts emphasis on Luke, they probably thought that Luke had the best chance of turning him away from the dark side. I don’t think training in itself would do that. I don’t know. I’m not sure if it matters though. I think the information in that line (whatever it implies) isn’t needed. And there being “Vader” in him is obvious anyway, Kylo is enough of a Vader Junior without it being spelled out.
I think the line about Luke is implying it was their only hope to control his power and stop him from turning to the dark.
The Vader line, at least in how I was using it in my dialog rearrangement, was a way for Han to express that it was a useless gesture to have Ben train with Luke, and that there is no saving him from this point forward.
Ah, yeah I see. I don’t think it should seem like Han has completely given up on Ben though.
I think Han giving up on ben and then later trying to redeem him when he sees him on SK base gives Han a more complex character arc than what he currently has.
Whatever he says in that moment he has given up on Ben to some extent while Leia is more hopeful and tries to change his mind, I think moving a few lines there doesn’t really change his character arc.
True, true. Thinking about it now I would probably leave those lines in there. As you say it discusses something integral to Ben’s story, and it’s good to be reminded of Luke’s role in it as well. Thank you for your input.
I agree. And the details of why Ben turned to the dark side are explored later in VIII and possibly IX so it doesn’t have to be spelled out in this scene. It seems a bit dumbed down to just say “Snoke did it”.
I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”
I feel like she puts emphasis on Luke, they probably thought that Luke had the best chance of turning him away from the dark side. I don’t think training in itself would do that. I don’t know. I’m not sure if it matters though. I think the information in that line (whatever it implies) isn’t needed. And there being “Vader” in him is obvious anyway, Kylo is enough of a Vader Junior without it being spelled out.
I think the line about Luke is implying it was their only hope to control his power and stop him from turning to the dark.
The Vader line, at least in how I was using it in my dialog rearrangement, was a way for Han to express that it was a useless gesture to have Ben train with Luke, and that there is no saving him from this point forward.
Ah, yeah I see. I don’t think it should seem like Han has completely given up on Ben though.
I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”
I feel like she puts emphasis on Luke, they probably thought that Luke had the best chance of turning him away from the dark side. I don’t think training in itself would do that. I don’t know. I’m not sure if it matters though. I think the information in that line (whatever it implies) isn’t needed. And there being “Vader” in him is obvious anyway, Kylo is enough of a Vader Junior without it being spelled out.
Using the Battlefront tunnel element:
Nice! That definitely works, good job. The video quality of the vortex looks a bit blocky from the YouTube compression, perhaps an alternate source can be found (4K maybe?) or some radial blur could be added to smooth it out. I also feel like it could use some stabilization (it feels a bit shaky) and some grain to match the film footage. Also, there’s an issue at the end of the clip, the vortex jumps to a new position for a few frames.
Good, good. 😃 You’re welcome.
Here it is:
https://mega.nz/#!mYs2hayJ!XCpP3Zr-PX0vZLXVyKbrMKCunylZ1rKIsnm2vAwBqPs
Does that work? The action is pretty quick and perhaps hard to catch, I imagine some sound will clarify what’s happening.
Interesting! There are a lot of ways it could be arranged. I don’t know if I want to keep the Vader line, but it’s pretty interesting that they saw the darkness in him early on and sent him to Luke because of that. Maybe it should stay in there.
I’ll just leave this here for now: the raw shot itself. 😃
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cbyrGwZNVKa3JW0zSXrTwZwxyzrKH6sf
Hello, what have we here? 😉 I’ll give it a go.
Not sure how much I will change the Han/Leia scenes, but it’s possible that I will trim them a bit. I will consider keeping the “grandfather” line, but at this point I’m leaning toward removing it.
Would it be possible to reorder some of Han and Leia’s dialog similar to the “ben’s hut” scene in ANH, to make the blatant expositional dialog more compelling?
I haven’t really given it much thought, but here’s a version of the “Snoke talk” that would be doable and less expositional:
Han: Listen to me, will you? I know every time you… Every time you look at me you’re reminded of him.
Leia: You think I want to forget him? I want him back!
Han: There’s nothing more we could’ve done.
Leia: I just never should’ve sent him away. That’s when I lost him. That’s when I lost you both.
Han: We both had to deal with it in our own way. I went back to the only thing I was ever good at.
Leia: We both did.
Han: We lost our son.
Leia: No. There is still light in him, I know it. We can still save him. Me. You.
Han: If Luke couldn’t reach him, how could I?
Leia: Luke is a Jedi. You’re his father.
How’s that?
I love your idea of including the ‘Kylo searches the falcon’ scene. Do you have a sample of the work you’ve done on it and how you’re integrating it into your edit? What’s the sequencing of events like?
If you’re including the scene where he’s talking to the trooper in Starkiller Base and suddenly senses Han, then you should definitely remove his “Han Solo” line in the falcon since he already says it in the preceding scene.
I’m not ready to show the Kylo Falcon scene yet, but I’m working with XXTELECINE’s fix as a base and adding further improvements to the removal of the time code. The scene will be placed after the shot of the X-wings approaching Starkiller Base and end before the second shot with the X-wings in the clouds. This is probably how it was meant to be placed considering how the deleted scene ends with Kylo looking up at the X-wings.
I agree about removing the “Han Solo” line.
• Reduce the diss battle between Kylo and Lor San Tekka
• Reduce Poe being cocky with Kylo
• Remove Kylo’s line "Comfortable?"
• Remove Rey’s “No” when Finn asks if she’s flown the Falcon (DigMod)
(• Tone down childish celebrating)
• Remove part of Finn’s line “… cute boyfriend?”
• Remove Finn climbing on Rey making her angry (idea by DigMod)
• Remove Snoke mentioning Han Solo being Kylo’s father
(• Reduce Han playing around with Chewie’s Bowcaster)
(• Remove Han’s line “I saw our son" and/or “he was here”)
(• Changes to the talk about Kylo between Han and Leia)
• Add deleted scene of Kylo searching the Falcon
(• Cut the “I’m in charge now!” part when Han and Finn encounter Phasma)
(• Cut Finn’s “trash compactor” reference)
(• Trim “map puzzle” scene, make it faster)After watching Hal’s v3, I certainly am fine with all the changes you want to make in addition of Hal’s. The Han/Leia scenes are very… awkward (especially the scene when they mention Snoke, Luke and their son, with all the meta jokes “and don’t say the death star” and the non sense “that’s why I wanted Luke to train him” - I didn’t know there was more Jedi Masters after ROTJ to train new Jedi 😕 - ., I felt so embarrassed during this scene…).
However, I would suggest you to keep Ren’s “Grand father”. It’s nice to uderstand the relationship at this point of the movie.
Not sure how much I will change the Han/Leia scenes, but it’s possible that I will trim them a bit. I will consider keeping the “grandfather” line, but at this point I’m leaning toward removing it.
