New look and feel costs time and money. Disney pinkslipped a lot of people, but they didn't shutter the Lucasfilm animation outfit in Singapore.
Either way, we won't know until some concept art comes out, or some CG renders are shown.
Anybody else just getting buried in Russian spam emails lately? My ISP's spam protection can barely keep up with it.
People do lose/gain accents over a certain length of time in their lives. And the movie tie in comic already had them encounter the Tribbles.
The "guy playing Scotty" is a major OOT advocate, so go easy on him. ;)
Mutated rodents of unusual size? ;)
There are pictures of Mark, Harrison, and Carrie signing autographs behind a table here...
http://starwarsmakingof.imgur.com/ (In the fourth album)
Not sure where or when in 1977 these were taken.
NeverarGreat said:
Just got back from the movie.
Overall, I'm very conflicted about this movie. On the one hand, it has good action, reasonably good characters, and some genuinely engaging scenarios.
On the other hand, it really retreads the Wrath of Kahn, to the point where it begins to ruin WOK and this movie. So despite it being really fun and engaging as a sequel to the first movie, as a Star Trek fan I would rather not have even seen it.
One quibble: When Kirk says that Spock threw him under the bus, it took me out of the movie a bit. Anachronisms bug me.
As the trolleys are still operating in San Francisco in the 23rd century, buses of some sort probably are as well. It's no more anachronistic than people saying they filmed something with a digital camera. ;)
I think he means there is no new TNG for him to watch.
George in blue makeup makes me think of Papa Smurf for some reason. Have him say "It's a Smurfy day!" or something?
That was an interesting choice of movie! How hard would it be to put Joel/Mike and the bots in the opera box behind Palpatine?
BTW, Frink, are you going to do anything to George's little cameo? ;)
Joachim would have been a good choice. Cumberbatch even has a passing resemblance to Judson Scott.
Too awful a movie, and it could overwhelm whatever dialog Frink puts in between Palpy and Ani though. Maybe it could just be a scene from the Clone Wars? Animated propaganda could exist in the SW universe.
When that Clone Trooper gets a message from Palpy about Order 66 on his holo communicator, there has got to be a silly ringtone. ;)
How did that Tribble die anyway? I thought McCoy was more ethical than to experiment on small fuzzy animals. ;)
They didn't even use the classic Tribble sounds.
One other Khan nitpick is in Space Seed, Kirk, McCoy, and Scotty know something of Khan's history once he's been positively identified. They even express some admiration for Khan (to Spock's surprise) as he was somewhat benevolent compared to his contemporaries. "The best of the tyrants."
It might have been better had they tossed off a line about Harrison having had extensive facial surgery.
I missed that, but it was nice if they sneaked in a little Goldsmith there.
There was a missed opportunity for Chris Pine to utter a certain line at the end of the film.
A Dianoga scene in THX???
Yeah, I always wanted to see them resume that relationship in the movies. But Chapel vanished, never to return except for a glorified cameo in TVH. One of the comics did have a nice little scene between them set during the events of TMP.
Funny how Christine gets the off screen boot, and we didn't hear Majel as the ship's computer this time around. She did the computer voice for so many Trek shows, (not to mention the games) they could edit together just about any dialog the script required. One Trek tradition they ought to keep alive.
I immediately thought about the old TOS screensaver upon reading the post STID comic title. ;)
Well, damn. Been a while since I've seen the episode. Maybe they just forgot about the day they shot the Jack Crusher hologram scene?
The best in universe explanation I can think of is Jack dressed hurriedly to make the recording for Wesley. Fathers to be don't get much sleep, Starfleet officers probably even less. Or else the recording isn't 100 percent compatible with the latest Holodeck firmware, and some bits are missing?
Why do you keep picturing Jack Crusher naked? ;)
Anthologies are a rare breed on television these days. (Has there ever been an animated anthology series?) In animation, the requirements of all new characters and settings every week would be enormous.
That's one of George's secretaries donning the Greedo costume for the stateside reshoots, you deviated preverts. ;)
No fun complaining about something you've never watched. ;)
I like Red Robin's fries though.
Johnny Ringo said:
SilverWook said:
Yes, but Kirk Sr. might have left some sort of recording made before his untimely death. (Maybe something Kirk's mom only recently gave to him?) It's been done in Trek before...
It was good that the events of the last movie cast a shadow on the plot. With Kirk and company finally off on the five year mission, I wonder if the aftermath of yet another rogue Starfleet admiral actions will cast it's own shadow.
I forgot to mention earlier that the Parents WERE in the film - When Jim hears their voices in his head - iirc there was no new dialogue though, Just clips from '09 Trek.
sidenote - Did / Does it bother anybody else that Crusher isn't wearing a shirt?
Hopefully the aftermath of Into Darkness' events will carry over but they kinda ended clean slate. Wasn't a year later or something when they head off at the end?
RE: Khan's magic blood and the sick girl / dead Kirk - that's why they had that awkward scene with the dead Tribble.
Would they really just put Khan back into deep freeze at the end if his blood was that powerful? - If section 31 were content to build a warship in secret i don't think they'd have any objection to siphoning him constantly.
RE: The Gorn reference - i think that was just another case of trying to make things sound exotic ala the cardassian sunrise last movie.
They established in Yesterday's Enterprise that Starfleet lost the collared shirts in that era. Picard had a similar uniform when Q made him relive his days as a cadet in Tapestry.
I couldn't even make out what Kirk was hearing as he regained consciousness. It makes little sense he would hear something his father said before he was born unless there's a log recording of his last comm transmission right before he rammed the Kelvin down the Narada's maw.
Warbler said:
SilverWook said:
And Spock may not have undergone Pon Farr yet...
wouldn't his relationship with Uhura prevent Pon Farr?
SilverWook said:
Warbler said:
SilverWook said:
The dramatic tension of Kirk's sacrifice is slightly deflated, because the audience has already been told Khan's got magical healing blood. (Which is apparently unknown to 23rd century medicine, and none of Khan's frozen comrades seem to have.) You can see the resolution coming a light year away.
really?? cause I didn't. Yeah you see Khan using his blood to heal the girl, but SHE WASN'T DEAD, and Kirk was. When Kirk died, I honestly thought the next movie as going to be "The Search for Kirk".
Did you read what I wrote? THE GIRL WAS NOT DEAD. Kirk was dead.
If Kirk had lay dying in sickbay of some sort of incurable illness, then it would be clear that Khan's blood was going to heal him. But was it clear that Khan's blood could bring something back to life? No. And, as I said before, I was not expecting it.
Yes, I read what you wrote. It was still telegraphed well ahead of time Khan's blood was important somehow, especially since it's something never talked about in either Space Seed or TWOK.
As per Chekov's Gun, any writer worth their salt does not introduce a plot element like that without intending to use it later in the story. Unless it's a red herring, which is what Carol Marcus was in a small way. Her presence in the story would lead those familiar with TWOK to suspect the mystery torpedoes were proto Genesis devices.
As an amateur writer and old school videographer, perhaps I just see the nuts and bolts of the plot sticking out. My television production instructor warned the class on the first day we would never passively consume a movie or tv show ever again. ;)
If you look at some of those behind the scenes photos linked to in the general thoughts thread, Mayhew often just had his fingers painted.
http://starwarsmakingof.imgur.com/
Chewie looked so fluffy in ROTJ, I thought he had switched to a new shampoo! ;)
Warbler said:
SilverWook said:
The dramatic tension of Kirk's sacrifice is slightly deflated, because the audience has already been told Khan's got magical healing blood. (Which is apparently unknown to 23rd century medicine, and none of Khan's frozen comrades seem to have.) You can see the resolution coming a light year away.
really?? cause I didn't. Yeah you see Khan using his blood to heal the girl, but SHE WASN'T DEAD, and Kirk was. When Kirk died, I honestly thought the next movie as going to be "The Search for Kirk".
Funny how the beginning and end feel more like classic Trek than the middle part. The old guard could have made an entire story about a primitive culture that worships the Enterprise. ;)
The Spock Uhura relationship has it's seed in The Man Trap. The scene where Uhura flirts with Spock was cut from syndication prints for decades. (Not to mention Nurse Chapel is the aptly named "not appearing in this movie" either.) In spite of Vulcan's tragic demise, there have to be plenty of colonies elsewhere, just as human have spread out into the galaxy. And Spock may not have undergone Pon Farr yet...
I still feel disappointed by the film. I might see it in IMAX or 2D down the line and give it another chance. I think the four year wait may have increased expectations the film simply couldn't meet.
Ahsoka has grown as a character since the CW movie, so I have no issues with her.
If she has kept a low profile, it's more than likely she survived Order 66. Finding out what Anakin has done would be a hell of a lot of emotional baggage to deal with though.
Jar Jar, on the other hand... ;)
