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#1225143
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Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

here’s the tweet btw, not a screenshot: https://twitter.com/DeeGoots/status/944080112869183489

Pretty easy to find her explanation of what it was all about if you’re looking through her timeline
https://twitter.com/DeeGoots/status/1017108818658930688?s=20

Don’t know why some fans are so desperate to cherrypick and take out of context and act like they’re being persecuted.

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#1225014
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Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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Jay said:

SilverWook said:

There’s a big difference between merely saying This movie sucks! and taking it out on the people who made it. When Star Trek: The Motion Picture came out, Trekkers were not screaming for Robert Wise’s head. Even the late Harlan Ellison wrote a polite, but negative review in Starlog. And this is the guy who often took potshots at Gene Roddenberry the way Stephen King hates on Kubrick.

Social media is the big factor here. It’s possible rotten fans may have always been with us. I imagine there were letters even Cinefanstatique magazine declined to print back in the day. There was that one SW blogger fellow who’s been blocked by Dave Prowse and John Williams on twitter for their behavior. Seriously, what issues could anyone possibly have with them?

There are ridiculous trolls, of course. That’s not what I’m talking about here. There are legitimate criticisms being levied against TLJ that are being attributed to trolls in order to hand-wave them away.

Think about what you’re saying. “[T]hat one SW blogger fellow” isn’t representative of half the fanbase. The people who harassed Tran aren’t representative of half the fanbase. It’s become very easy to paint anyone dissatisfied with TLJ using that broad brush, though.

There are Lucasfilm employees on Twitter right now trolling Star Wars fans and comparing the situation to GamerGate. Just absurd. If Twitter had existed back when Lucas released the SEs and he posted his famous quote about the movies being his and not the fans’ (paraphrasing), what do you think the result would be? If the creators are going to participate in social media and actively berate their critics, the social media mob is going to descend upon them.

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

TFA receives an overwhelmingly positive response from fans and everything is cool.

Are you new here?

Are you new to the internet?

This forum doesn’t encompass the entirety of the conversation, nor is it even a microcosm representative of the entirety of Star Wars fandom. It’s a subset of a subset. The discussion here may have become contentious, but in the rest of the world, by and large, the response to TFA was overwhelmingly positive.

That blogger fellow got into the credentialed podcast area at Celebration, which indicates to me Lucasfilm doesn’t vet these people very well. I wasn’t aware of Lucasfilm employees trolling fans, or do you mean Rian Johnson?

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#1224961
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Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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There’s a big difference between merely saying This movie sucks! and taking it out on the people who made it. When Star Trek: The Motion Picture came out, Trekkers were not screaming for Robert Wise’s head. Even the late Harlan Ellison wrote a polite, but negative review in Starlog. And this is the guy who often took potshots at Gene Roddenberry the way Stephen King hates on Kubrick.

Social media is the big factor here. It’s possible rotten fans may have always been with us. I imagine there were letters even Cinefanstatique magazine declined to print back in the day. There was that one SW blogger fellow who’s been blocked by Dave Prowse and John Williams on twitter for their behavior. Seriously, what issues could anyone possibly have with them?

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#1224816
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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moviefreakedmind said:

oojason said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s fascinating and tragic how people have been victimized by the Star Wars fandom. Kelly Marie, Ahmed Best, and Jake Lloyd have all been crucified by obsessed and mean-spirited fans.

Rian Johnson too - similar abuse to what the above have endured - including death threats and announcements of his death too. JJ Abrams received a quite a bit of abuse too if I recall. Kathleen Kennedy as well.

That’s right, and hell, George has gotten a lot of horrible stuff like that too for longer than any of them have. The list goes on and on and I think the list will just keep getting longer, unfortunately.

Is there evidence Lucas was threatened publicly? The only specific creepy thing I remember was that one forum member a decade ago who was always going on about how he wanted to bury George with a shovel. That guy was disturbing as heck.

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#1224571
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Episode IX Discussion <strong><em>Spoiler Thread</em></strong>
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I would lay odds Luke comes back as some sort of Super Jedi ghost. Maybe he even comes back in the flesh after learning much on the other side. In before some acid tongued fan labels him Luke Jesus.

Chewie is likely safe. I don’t think Lucasfilm is going to want to revisit the Vector Prime reaction in this current fan climate.

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#1224444
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Dek Rollins said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Dek Rollins said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Dek Rollins said:

But the Batman costume had a purpose behind it’s design. (and didn’t some of the late-'80s comics have a pure black outfit?)

Bats first got an all-black costume in the comics in the '90s.

Anyway I love the batsuit because it still embodies the comicbook feel.

I can live with it, but I still prefer the gray-with-black-trunks look.

Maybe it’s because I grew up with it, but I’ve always thought the ‘jet-black with yellow emblem/belt’ look is super cool.

I mean he’s just so darn cool!

I think the color variance of the trunks might actually work better in illustrated form though.

I’ve read Keaton had neck/back issues because he couldn’t actually turn his head in that.

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#1224373
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Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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I don’t recall much of the media hype around the movie anymore. I probably tuned a lot of it out anyway because of larger issues in my life at the time. There was some negative buzz about Jar Jar before the movie was even out, I presume from insider leaks? I also recall the unfortunate moniker Mannequin Skywalker was used to describe Jake Lloyd’s performance early on. Critics really should have gone easier on a little kid.

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#1224163
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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Hal 9000 said:

Don’t pretend that all of us haven’t individually and collectively played into this. It’s nobody’s and everybody’s fault. He was bound to internalize the criticism regardless of whether it was pointed at him personally or just the character.

Other actors have played characters that people despised without it becoming personal. Maybe if he opens up about it with his podcast(?) we’ll know more about the situation.

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#1224082
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Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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oojason said:

Star Wars fandom hits new depths - a couple of days ago someone posted up ‘Rian Johnson had died’ online - with the text of ‘Rian Johnson has been found dead this morning in his L.A home, details are still arising but suicide has yet to be ruled out’.

I don’t even…this is getting beyond sick. Whatever happened to Don’t give into hate?

As dysfunctional as it gets around here, it’s telling that projects are underway to preserve the theatrical TPM and even the 1997 Special Edition.

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#1224076
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Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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Nandi said:

Yes, its funny but more so pathetic that he takes random words from random people that seriously.

Are you inside his head? Do have any concept at all how words can hurt? Actors and other creative people often suffer depression on a scale other people can’t even imagine. Someone may even have come up to him in person and said something. That it was random smelly fanboy #42 doesn’t matter, because that’s how depression works.
Even someone who’s clearly loved by many people can fall into that abyss and take their life, as has happened with Anthony Bourdain recently.

Kindly stop digging the hole you’re in any deeper before you hit the septic tank.

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#1223058
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Satanic Panic! - (A Thread For All Things Satanic)
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TV’s Frink said:

I knew a guy who wasn’t allowed to call them “deviled eggs.” There were “angeled eggs.”

Religion is weird.

I vaguely recall something like that from somewhere. Because just saying the name apparently will summon them or bring bad luck. Why even bother sacrificing a goat and playing your KISS albums backwards under the light of a full moon?