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SilverWook

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#1101550
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Kennedy worse than Lucas.
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yotsuya said:

Frank your Majesty said:

yotsuya said:

(I put ANH lower because it uses more varied styles that don’t fit as well with the saga as a whole while TESB, TPM, and ROTJ are more thematically unified)

I completely disagree. For me, Star Wars has the perfect score, every piece is unique and memorable. From Empire onward, there are a few outstanding pieces, while most of the music just blends in and isn’t nearly as prominent as in Star Wars.

I agree for a stand alone movie. But ANH had a classical temp track that Williams was writing to where TESB and the rest do not (at least I’ve never heard they did) and each piece is more melodic and in sync with the saga. ANH has a very different score than any of the others. I only ranked it lower because it is so different and the music, while iconic, doesn’t stand alone as well as TESB.

The original making of ESB book mentions Irvin Kersher selecting some classical records for a temp track.

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#1101525
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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There’s a force field around Crimson Jack’s vessel and the Falcon, so no vacuum. It’s then shrunk to prevent Han from getting back to the Falcon.

IIRC, at least one fan letter mockingly called Jack’s star destroyer the metal doughnut.

A pity we didn’t see old Imperial battle wagons re-purposed as Resistance ships. I would love to see a zero gravity shootout in a SW film someday.

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#1101368
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Kennedy worse than Lucas.
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canofhumdingers said:

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

Lucas was an artist who became a businessman though.

I would say PT is a strong evidence of contrary. Even though PT sucked and was receiving lots of criticism since TPM, he was making what he wanted and not what audience wanted/expected. He could make films about Anakin/Vader being likeable badass, which is what most of people would love/expect to see, but instead he followed his own unpopular story where Anakin/Vader was an annoying whiner.

He still signed off on the biggest avalanche of merchandising rivaling even the OT for Phantom Menace. A good portion of it being crap that gathered dust on shelves for years. Would 1970’s George have allowed this to be made?

Probably?

The tape dispenser is supposed to be one of Anthony Daniels’ favorite items. 😉

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#1101367
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Kennedy worse than Lucas.
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Density said:

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

Lucas was an artist who became a businessman though.

Would 1970’s George have allowed this to be made?

Possibly, yeah. There was a TON of Star Wars crap that was made in the 1970s, and not all of it was quality. Remember, 1970s George allowed the HOLIDAY SPECIAL to be made.

Also the idea that he “became” a businessman rather than was one from the start is wrong. The smartest decision Lucas ever made was to forego his director’s salary for the marketing rights to Star Wars. From that moment on he was a businessman – an enormously successful businessman with an empire (no pun intended) at his disposal.

But what’s weird about George is that he never stopped being a somewhat insane artist either. I DO think that some of his more outlandish or controversial decisions were probably made with profit in mind, but others were undoubtedly the result of a mad artist letting his creative impulses run rampant without anyone to rein him in. Not to mention in the years between the trilogies it seems he became detached from the inventive spark that drove him in the first place, so those impulses were not as good as they were before (and they were never perfect mind you).

How much did control did George really have over that sort of thing at the time? You had Vader, Chewie and the droids on the Donny & Marie show. Not to mention dancing stormtroopers. The cantina creatures appeared on Richard Pryor’s short lived sketch show. After that, the only other time SW characters appeared on a live action tv series was The Muppet Show during production on ESB. Threepio and Artoo pimped Star Tours on a one off Disney tv special circa 1986 though.

All the merchandising before 1980 was copyrighted to Fox, not Lucasfilm. Fox still owns the original film to this day.

Most of the “crap” was actually bootleg or unauthorized merchandise. The only authorized item I thought was tacky was the jewelry line. I’m somewhat baffled lightsaber knockoff toys are being made today, when Fox went after almost anyone who glued a plastic tube to a flashlight back in the 70’s. Fox went after Universal over Battlestar Galactica and even contemplated suing over Hardware Wars, but George somehow talked them out of that one.

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#1101098
Topic
Kennedy worse than Lucas.
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imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

Lucas was an artist who became a businessman though.

I would say PT is a strong evidence of contrary. Even though PT sucked and was receiving lots of criticism since TPM, he was making what he wanted and not what audience wanted/expected. He could make films about Anakin/Vader being likeable badass, which is what most of people would love/expect to see, but instead he followed his own unpopular story where Anakin/Vader was an annoying whiner.

He still signed off on the biggest avalanche of merchandising rivaling even the OT for Phantom Menace. A good portion of it being crap that gathered dust on shelves for years. Would 1970’s George have allowed this to be made?

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#1101089
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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TV’s Frink said:

Ok, even I think this is going too far.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/business/media/robert-lee-university-virginia-charlottesville.html

ESPN has removed an announcer from its broadcast of the University of Virginia’s first football game next month because he has the same name as a Confederate general memorialized in statues that are being taken down across the country.

The network announced late Tuesday that the announcer, Robert Lee, a part-time employee who calls about a dozen college football and basketball games a year for ESPN, would no longer participate in the broadcast of the Sept. 2 game in Charlottesville, Va., which became the center of violent clashes this month during a white supremacist gathering.

White nationalists and neo-Nazis flooded into Charlottesville, marching through the University of Virginia campus with torches, to protest the city’s plan to remove a statue of the Confederacy’s top general, Robert E. Lee.

After the violence in Charlottesville, which left one person dead, ESPN executives and Mr. Lee decided that for his safety it would be best to have him to work on a different game that Saturday, a network spokesman said.

“We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name,” ESPN said in a statement. “In that moment it felt right to all parties. It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play-by-play for a football game has become an issue.”


I understand erring on the side of caution, but unless there were actual threats against this guy, this is going way overboard.

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#1101053
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

Regarding the statues in the South, I have a feeling that there has been a certain romanticism attached to the Confederacy and/or the prominent characters involved. Similar to how pirates or cowboys are romanticized. Much of the reality has been lost and replaced with fictional motivations or made romantic with notions of “southern pride” or rebelling against The Man.

I don’t think the present-day South understands what the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia (aka the Confederate Flag) actually stood for back in the day, but rather attaches a romantic quality to it in ignorance of the reality it came from.

Case in point, if you watch the pilot episode of The Dukes of Hazzard, when they painted that car they painted what they called the “Rebel Flag” on top of it; and that whole show was basically about rebelling against the bumbling, incompetent county police and corrupt commissioner in a romantic sort of way.

Symbols can be re-purposed and their meaning changed. Pink triangles for example.

I enjoyed the Dukes Of Hazzard as a kid. The show was so huge, that an early promo for Knight Rider touted K.I.T.T’s superiority over the General Lee.

I used to see at least one General Lee replica car around here well into the '90’s, and I’m in Southern California. It’s become a touchy subject in recent years because there’s still a devoted fanbase, (which wasn’t happy with the PG-13 2005 movie) and you could still buy a screen accurate General Lee toy until recently. The car appeared in a commercial not that long ago, carefully framed so you couldn’t see the roof.

I’ve seen people elsewhere try to make the show out to be racist. There were never regular black cast members, but there were black characters in some episodes. I don’t think the ratio was any more or less than any other early '80’s tv show.

There was a local controversy around here back in the 90’s when a diesel gas station catering to truckers right by the 101 freeway displayed a huge Georgia state flag. (The old, now retired controversial design.) You could probably see this thing from almost a mile away. Some local residents wanted it gone, but as it was on private property it remained until the gas station was sold to a new owner.