SilverWook

Handman said:

SilverWook said:

Handman said:

lovelikewinter said:

Does the Darth Sidous reference annoy anyone else? I wonder if there is a take with Mark Hamill saying “The Emperor” instead.

It annoys me too.

Where Sith are concerned does one refer to them by their public disguise name, their true Sith name, or the title they bestowed upon themselves as they crushed the galaxy for two decades? Luke calling him the Emperor now that he’s dead and gone would be honoring a despot.

It’s a prequel reference, and I don’t like those. The line would have made just as much sense without it. Also who told Luke? It’s weird coming out of his mouth.

Luke probably sifted through a lot of records on Coruscant after the war. Who told him about the first Jedi temple on Ahch-To?

Handman said:

lovelikewinter said:

Does the Darth Sidous reference annoy anyone else? I wonder if there is a take with Mark Hamill saying “The Emperor” instead.

It annoys me too.

Where Sith are concerned does one refer to them by their public disguise name, their true Sith name, or the title they bestowed upon themselves as they crushed the galaxy for two decades? Luke calling him the Emperor now that Palpatine/Sidious is dead and gone would be honoring a despot.

DrDre said:

Matt.F said:

I disagree Dre, the movie shows several moments where Rey is associated with the dark side…

Please point those moments out to me, because I didn’t see any serious struggle or temptation, and there certainly were no serious consequences for Rey, as there were for Luke.

and even moments where Kylo is with the light. It also goes deeper into nuance by having the mentor figure grapple also with his past failure and his present opportunity.

The moments with Kylo were mostly undercut by Snoke’s admission, that he was manipulating Rey, as such we don’t know what was real, and what wasn’t. The single most powerful moment was, when Kylo couldn’t kill his mother, but as with Rey it was without consequence, as the theme wasn’t revisited in the film. Leia just accepted her son was lost without so much as a confrontation, killing an interesting story thread about Ben Solo’s relationship with his parents, a relationship that had led to particide. However, like so many set ups of TFA RJ decided to mostly ignore that.

You don’t think Ben killing his father wasn’t a factor in that acceptance?

Where was it said Rey’s parents were drunks?

Mrebo said:

Well since I can find no rule against it, I will bring back the old thread where TheBoost had some good thoughts.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Inconsistent-use-of-the-force/id/9937/page/1

The mods only get annoyed at pointless necro-bumps. This is not the case here. : )

adywan said:

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

dahmage said:

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

DrDre said:
A single 30 second scene, which has Luke telling us about a bad vision is not a proper set up. Show not tell still remains the best technique.

This is really true for me. These new films are all tell, tell, tell. Oh look at this flashy thing. I think the prequels were criticized for having so much clutter on the screen visually. These Disney films deserve to be criticized for having too much clutter in the narrative. Pointless characters, pointless subplots. Just enough time to tell you a thing or two and then back to the gimmicks. /mad

So, i know that i am combining complaints from different people. but this is what i am hearing, and it is hard to separate the voices sometimes.

• the movie should have told us that
• no, it shouldn’t tell, it should show
• well, i didn’t see that, they should have told me

In movies you tell by showing.

Then please point me to where we see, in ESB, Luke’s vision of his friends being tortured? I’m pretty sure that whole scene is just done through narration. We don’t see anything at that point. And don’t say that we see things later, i’m talking about that point in time. I guess then we also needed to see what happened on Ord Mantell to be able to understand what was so bad that happened with the bounty hunter for Han to suddenly want to leave. Has the viewing audience become so dumbed down that they have to see everything on screen?

We did get the Ord Mantell incident in the old Marvel comic. 😉

Wow! I had no idea any of that footage survived!

Maybe if they give him a really big lollypop?

yhwx said:

In other news, Trunp is not well:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/29/16829806/trump-interview-new-york-times

I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

How is he going to fake his way through the mandatory physical he’s got coming up early next year? He can’t substitute that pseudo hippie personal doctor of his to do it. At least I hope not. If he tries to suppress the results, it will only fuel speculation.

I’m sure historically Presidential health issues have been covered up before, but it was a lot easier to keep a secret back then.

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

The scene at the end of TFA is from Rey’s perspective. So it’s epic and momentous - here’s me offering this legendary lightsaber to this legendary person to ask him to save the galaxy. Whatever happens after that doesn’t change the emotion of that moment.

In TLJ, we get a twist on it by seeing how Luke really feels about the “legendary” label. And Luke talks about his feelings about being a legend later in the film - the label is a burden, it caused him great pressure and great shame - it is the reason he has brought himself into exile. In that moment, he’s thinking that that lightsaber brought him terrible emotional and physical pain (remember the last time he saw it?). He doesn’t respect the saber in the way Rey does, he rejects it. Tossing the saber instantly establishes Luke’s feelings about the Jedi and his legendary status (i.e. no thanks).

But that’s okay. That’s just where Luke is at the start of the film. It’s part of his journey here, to coming back around to understanding that he needs to pick up the saber and act once again, to be the legend the galaxy needs. This, by the way, is why he uses that blue saber at the end.

You do realize that if he simply tossed it to the side gently it would be much easier for people to accept it right? The problem is how he comically tossed the lightsaber over his shoulder. The execution was terrible for being the payoff of such a powerful scene in TFA. I, for example, waited 2 years to specifically watch that scene and BAM SNL material right there.

Also the face Luke makes at the end of TFA makes no sense anymore.

He’s been living alone (mostly) on an island for years. It can be interpreted as a simple human reaction to seeing another human being after so long.

Not the tweets. Somebody sneaked a cell phone video of a set where Han and Chewie were rising in a elevator in the middle of a room that looked like The Collector from Guardians Of The Galaxy had a penthouse apartment in Cloud City. There was an Ewok in a display case among other curios.
There was a different leak where Han was seen in a hot rod style landspeeder. Really gave off an American Graffiti vibe.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Is this movie still really set for release in May? And all we have is a possibly fake promo image? At this point, I’m not sure I’m going to believe this movie is a real thing that exists until the credits roll.

There was some leaked pics and video from the set earlier this year.

There was a scene in one of the Brian Daley books where Chewie was in some sort of grooming room where his fur was being electrostatically cleaned or something. Reminded of how an old Kenner plush Chewie looks after it’s been washed. 😉

TV’s Frink said:

SilverWook said:

Porkins4real said:

Warbler said:

ok, I missed that. But still, it could have been made clearer.

Why? Some of the clues were there - the lack of salt moving, and the fact the Luke avoids Kylo, but does not actually interact with him in the fight. I actually thought they were showing how light and elegant Luke fought compared to how heavy and clumsy Kylo fought, but once I saw Luke was projecting I saw that the clues were there.

BUT>>>>

The movie also showed that projections can be interacted with - the dice were held by others if I recall.

Also, Snoke can Force Choke from across the Galaxy - why not Luke?

Jedi don’t Force choke?

Tell that to the Pigman ROTJ Luke choked.

Nice catch. Luke was clearly falling to the Dark Side even then. 😉

One of the mid 80’s SNL seasons proclaimed New York The most dangerous city in America in the opening credits with cast members frantically trying to get off the streets or in dangerous situations. It’s a pity none of the post 1980 seasons will likely ever see a DVD release.

Wookiees have winter and summer coats you know. 😛

I’m old enough to recall when the NYC crime rate was a running gag on SNL.

Warbler said:

This:

was totally unnecessary and was only added to sell toys.

So was this, if you remember. 😉

Porkins4real said:

SilverWook said:

Porkins4real said:

Walking Carpet said:

If Finn and Rose were able to fly off to the casino and come back with a hacker, was there any reason why someone else couldn’t have flown off to pick up a fuel tanker or something?

One of Many Many Many plot holes.

Such a ship is probably well guarded and requires more than two people to pilot. And you think the First Order is going to just sit there and watch the Resistance refuel?

You are you telling me the resistance has no refueling ships anywhere they can reach out to? I would also be assuming refueling would be done while flying (much like it can be done here on earth) so the FO would be able to do as much about the refueling ship as they were able to do to the other ships.

Nobody answered their distress call. Who was going to refuel them? Robot Chicken notwithstanding, we’ve never seen a gas station in Star Wars.

Mrebo said:

Speaking of Porkins, one Star Wars trope I’m really tired of: fat rebel pilot gets blown up.

That was Porkins Junior, you heartless monster! 😛

Seiously, I don’t remember seeing that.

Porkins4real said:

Warbler said:

ok, I missed that. But still, it could have been made clearer.

Why? Some of the clues were there - the lack of salt moving, and the fact the Luke avoids Kylo, but does not actually interact with him in the fight. I actually thought they were showing how light and elegant Luke fought compared to how heavy and clumsy Kylo fought, but once I saw Luke was projecting I saw that the clues were there.

BUT>>>>

The movie also showed that projections can be interacted with - the dice were held by others if I recall.

Also, Snoke can Force Choke from across the Galaxy - why not Luke?

Jedi don’t Force choke?

I think it was mentioned the shields were weakening? It did feel like a Star Trek plot device in any event.

I will admit a slow speed space chase doesn’t feel very Star Warsy to me, but then again, I didn’t like the lack of car chases in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome and people seem to like that movie. 😉

Porkins4real said:

Walking Carpet said:

If Finn and Rose were able to fly off to the casino and come back with a hacker, was there any reason why someone else couldn’t have flown off to pick up a fuel tanker or something?

One of Many Many Many plot holes.

Such a ship is probably well guarded and requires more than two people to pilot. And you think the First Order is going to just sit there and watch the Resistance refuel?

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

So, a few people complained about the absence of sound in a certain scene in TLJ and a couple of signs were put up as result - I know this is the spoiler thread but this article here contains a spoiler so be warned! -

I can understand some people being confused by an artistic use of silence but to actually go and complain and then for the cinema to put a sign up to “warn” viewers about how it’s a deliberate artistic choice and not a technical error? Baffling, and actually makes me feel a wee bit angry!

https://youtu.be/nDKDBd22lNM

You should probably see it again, and catch a late showing with fewer people if possible.

I’m sure Leia’s arc was set before Carrie’s death and they weren’t about to change it. There’s no way they could have invented her scenes in the second half of the film even if they shot a double and used CGI.