SilverWook

One was the inspiration for Star Wars, the other is not. 😉

Flash Gordon defeated Ming the Merciless how many times and kept coming back for more?

Collipso said:

So I just read something that really made me think, and honestly I agree with pretty much everything. It is as follows:

"At the end of episode VI, the protagonists had achieved something. The Jedi. Redemption. Republic. All those things were systematically annihilated to the point of no return. With TLJ, the current artists have said that there is no impact done by the heroes of the original trilogy, and have set to kill them all, break down what they have built, and salt the earth. Not a single thing they have built stood, and it has all been washed away. This was not necessary to tell a story: you could tell a story where a Jedi Order or a Republic existed, even if far away, in another corner of the galaxy. You could tell good stories with that. But they have decided, explicitly, to destroy everything the heroes have built, show their success means nothing, and kill them all.

And if they did not intend to do that, well. Are they incapable of thinking? Because that is what they did.

They have shown that victory is fleeting and has no meaning, for all evil has to do is sneeze and remove everything that has been won from the board. All of it. All will crumble so easily. I don’t… really feel good about Star Wars, and may even skip Episode IX at this moment, since… if they win? What then? It will be another desperate fight to the last moment against a superior foe (and hint, if you don’t want geeks to wank to your villains, you should not make them superior to the heroes in every way, at all times) until they win in the end, at which point, like the end of this, we are told it is all good… but it isn’t, really. They will all just die, and all they did, will just crumble, right around the corner.

Or, worse, they will not. Johnston may go on to direct his trilogy, where heroes will win, and live happily ever after, and gain the rewards of retirement.

This is how artists tend to work, after all - especially the ones beloved of geekdom. Send off your heroes into the sunset. Murder those other people created in ways that make them appear pathetic, lesser, and unimportant. Much like the people who made this movie, geekdom loves the things of their childhoods but also feel so ashamed they want to destroy them to… prove something. I’m not sure what.

I love the current crew. I love Finn, and Rey, and particularly Poe, who may be my favorite Star Wars character of all time (on the note I was on #TeamSkywalker on the original trilogy)… but they are not that much better than the OT crew that the OT crew deserved to have their works annihilated, their successes pissed on, and their lives taken just for their aggrandizement. If anything, this makes me like characters I loved - the new ones - far less. The movie is either very confused on that fact, or pretty clear when it points out Finn shouldn’t sacrifice himself, but then has Luke… sacrifices himself.

And all as tax. He dies because he lost his will to live, without even so much as strangling and having to give birth; all because they had to kill one OT hero per movie, at least. All for something as mechanic as a tax.

He could have just… survived. Been able to go on, to teach a new generation, to learn from his failures rather than to die as one. But that was not allowed.

It just leaves me rather hollow with their views on storytelling, on collaborative storytelling, and on characters, in general."

I don’t agree that Luke gave up and died. What he pulled off we had never seen before and it’s probably something Jedi seldom attempt because it can kill you.
If Obi Wan and Yoda can appear to give sage advice, Luke can teach as a ghost. There’s nothing in the films so far that says he can’t.

Harmy said:

So, I finally watched this movie yesterday, thanks to the grindhouse version and it was very interesting - I’m definitely still interested in doing a Despecialized version - the print is in fairly good condition but it would be great, if someone with a good knowledge of this movie could take poita’s scan and identify all the shots that would be needed to replace altered one’s, so that those can be cleaned first.

The changes are far more extensive than anything done to the Special Editions. I don’t envy you the work you’d have to put in on this one.

It’s George Lucas’ first movie, of course there’s a market. Put From the creator of Star Wars on the cover and it will sell. They release far more obscure stuff through the archive because they don’t print more than needed.

How many people really want to watch this uncut without a guy and two robots riffing on it? 😉

It’s the typical non answer probably because George has the clout to keep the original buried. If TCM can’t show it, then Warner Bros. can’t release it either.

Why should Kylo be telling the truth? He’s misled Rey once already.

ray_afraid said:

Ah, Underoos. The one Star Wars collectible you don’t want to buy used!

ray_afraid said:

MathUser said:

More members of Emperors species.

They’re called “humans”. It’s hard to pronounce.
;p

So why are they pasty white like Palpatine? Is it contagious?

Rey can still be a Skywalker, just not directly related to Luke. We know nothing of the family tree before Anakin and his mother.
You may commence screaming at invoking the prequels now. 😛

Because either Rey’s parents were on that departing ship or they’re dead and buried on Jakku. It can’t be both.
And Kylo can’t be trusted.

Last thing I even saw him in was that awful spoof of 300. Why do conservatives decry Hollywood then latch onto actors whose careers are moribund?

MaestroDavros said:

Collipso said:

I definitely preferred the sound mix in TLJ than in TFA. Not even a question. Visual effects too, but the one scene where Luke is fishing (where he jumps and grabs that huge stick over the water) looked pretty fake to me. And of course the cgi horses looked very bad to me too.

Lightsabers looked too much like they were actually there - reminded me of a lightsaber toy or replica in some shots. TFA’s sabers were definitely better for me. And the screen wipes were either out of place or too fast.

Overall I really loved how the movie looked and sounded though, a lot more than TFA.

Regarding lightsabers however, TFA > TLJ.

Again, waiting for the Blu-ray to see the full film, but the lightsabers in TFA looked like they had weight to them, as well as a feeling there was actual energy being emitted. Sure, the white core could have been brighter, but if they look more like the prequels then TFA that seems like a step too far in the opposite direction.

Speaking of SFX, from what I have seen in trailers I still think the ships look kinda fake, especially after seeing how beautiful Rogue One’s enhanced recreations of the ANH ships were. Maybe when building CGI ships it helps to actually have a real world reference (meaning, something actually fully built in the real world) before the model is created but, I know, too expensive.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the OT models were laser scanned for Rogue One.

The Herc?

I don’t get the leap from guy who drew a moderately funny comic to political sage.

Dilbert is still a thing?

It could be cool if it’s like a western, which Star Wars often emulated before.

lovelikewinter said:

SilverWook said:

He could always fiddle with the settings on his helmet and the classic Fett voice comes out. 😉

Jason Wingreen is no more sadly. 😦

I never understood why Boba Fett would want to sound like a clone anyway. Tells way too much about him. Maybe we will be lucky and he’ll be silent the whole time.

I’m sure a sound alike can be found. The Fett movie depends on it!

It never made sense that the most infamous bounty hunter in the galaxy would want his real voice coming out of that helmet. Boba often works in disguise, at least in the few EU novels I read with him in them.
Plus, even a bounty hunter must want to walk into a bar incognito and just chill once in a while without everyone in the joint reaching for their blasters. 😉

He could always fiddle with the settings on his helmet and the classic Fett voice comes out. 😉

Mocata said:

Can we talk about saber effects for a second, I liked how they looked more in TFA. Here the original blade is weirdly pointed and too clean? Sounds might have been better too, but I can’t verify.

It’s like they went back to the prequels pointy tip look, which might as well be a glow in the dark giant golf tee.

They kept Malla, but not Itchy and Lumpy?

It’s a full month ban at least. Ask again on the 25th.

Also a known Rebel sympathizer. You know how many innocent Imperial officers he killed on the Death Star? Those guys had families! 😛

Because that’s what fan sites with a checkered past do?

It must have aired on TCM at some point in the '90’s, but probably would have been the same as the widescreen Laserdisc master.
I did ask once on the Warner Archive twitter about the possibility of a DVD-R release, but got no response.

Once you’ve been burned by Luke Skywalker, there’s no place left to go but down.