SilverWook

Best kind. 😛

Collipso said:

SilverWook said:

chyron8472 said:

chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

Dr. Krogshöj said:

Creox said:

yhwx said:

A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.

The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.

I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.

Yes, and that is unnecessary. The artificial gravity within the bomber is enough to give the bombs an initial velocity once they are released to propel them towards the target, as Mrebo already pointed it out.

Also, this obviates the need to talk about the gravity of the ship, which cannot be that significant. I wonder if someone at LFL actually saw a plothole here and came up with magnets or if they were just a cool add-on.

Look, there are plenty of plotholes and mistakes in the OT too if you don’t add EU/Wookieepedia explanations. Contrivances or not, whether it matters to you that it doesn’t make sense on its face comes down to your own choice of whether to just sit back and enjoy it.

For example:

In ANH, when the Blockade Runner’s main reactor was hit and their engines shut down, why didn’t that massive explosion on the side of the ship also knock their trajectory off course or send them spinning out of control?

Why did Luke fall sideways into a tunnel when he let go of the platform at the end of ESB?

Why did shooting an AT-AT in the neck blow it up only after it fell forward?

Why did Han and Leia only have face masks on inside the giant space slug when they assumed it was an empty asteroid with no atmosphere? And why was there sufficient gravity to walk normally on when the asteroid was smaller than our Moon?

Why was the arm that Ben Kenobi cut off in the cantina furry and clawed when one man was humanoid and the other had flippers?

Why does Shuttle Tydirium that is supposedly transporting parts and crew (by the rebels) to Endor look identical to the shuttle carrying the Emperor himself?

One can argue the Emperor wouldn’t travel in a fancy shuttle that would be easily identified as his ship. Might as well paint a big target on the side otherwise.

et al.

Someone should tell Snoke that.

Did we actually see Snoke’s private shuttle? I know Rey escaped in it.

chyron8472 said:

chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

Dr. Krogshöj said:

Creox said:

yhwx said:

A thing on timelines here: The two main storylines in TLJ start at different times. The escape storyline starts a week after the events of TFA; the Ach-To storyline happens immediately after the events of TFA.

The bomber: People complained about how the bomber thing was unrealistic because there’s no gravity in space. That pedantry is inaccurate. The bombs fell due to the gravitational force of the Star Destroyer underneath the bomber. This is the same reason that Star Destroyer falls into the Death Star in ROTJ.

I read in the visual dictionary that the bombs used magnetic tech as well.

Yes, and that is unnecessary. The artificial gravity within the bomber is enough to give the bombs an initial velocity once they are released to propel them towards the target, as Mrebo already pointed it out.

Also, this obviates the need to talk about the gravity of the ship, which cannot be that significant. I wonder if someone at LFL actually saw a plothole here and came up with magnets or if they were just a cool add-on.

Look, there are plenty of plotholes and mistakes in the OT too if you don’t add EU/Wookieepedia explanations. Contrivances or not, whether it matters to you that it doesn’t make sense on its face comes down to your own choice of whether to just sit back and enjoy it.

For example:

In ANH, when the Blockade Runner’s main reactor was hit and their engines shut down, why didn’t that massive explosion on the side of the ship also knock their trajectory off course or send them spinning out of control?

It was the deflector dish on top that we saw blow up.


Since the Blockade Runner still had power and life support after that, one can argue there was power for attitude control thrusters to keep the ship steady. Or else the Star Destroyer put a tractor beam on them almost immediately.

Why did Luke fall sideways into a tunnel when he let go of the platform at the end of ESB?

There are massive wind currents at play in the Cloud City shaft. We can see this when that window is smashed and Luke is sucked out of it. Luke also may have unwittingly used the Force to guide his fall a bit.

Why did shooting an AT-AT in the neck blow it up only after it fell forward?

The neck armor could have been damaged in the fall, allowing a well placed shot to penetrate and cause an internal explosion.

Why did Han and Leia only have face masks on inside the giant space slug when they assumed it was an empty asteroid with no atmosphere? And why was there sufficient gravity to walk normally on when the asteroid was smaller than our Moon?

Okay, I’m still stumped on this one. It’s a Pinocchio homage? I presume they have sensors to tell them if there’s atmosphere/pressure outside, and the Falcon’s shields could probably create an envelope around the ship. Han also suspected Mynocks before they went outside.

Why was the arm that Ben Kenobi cut off in the cantina furry and clawed when one man was humanoid and the other had flippers?

Continuity error as the arm insert was re-shot much later back in the states. In the workprint footage, Ponda Baba’s arm was still a flipper. They also never anticipated people would notice let alone dissect the film frame by frame. 😉

Why does Shuttle Tydirium that is supposedly transporting parts and crew (by the rebels) to Endor look identical to the shuttle carrying the Emperor himself?

One can argue the Emperor wouldn’t travel in a fancy shuttle that would be easily identified as his ship. Might as well paint a big target on the side otherwise.

et al.

I wasn’t aware DJ was a team account?

Really don’t want to get into TN1’s long list of infractions now.

Is that one of those Turkish knock off films?

Especially when one has a telepromter.

Same place the money for the Clone Army came from? 😛

I already have mild gastrointestinal difficulties tonight, why make things worse? 😛

Would be hilarious if Stormy Davis was sitting in the nosebleed seats though.

yhwx said:

This guy checks out. Here’s his original account.

I’m deducting points for not using Admiral Piett. 😉

There are even classic Star Trek sound effects in Star Wars if you know where to listen for them. : )

I’ve dealt with many lost lambs in PM’s after the big move. They tend to seek out the first mod they see, which tends to be me.

Jay is very much a behind the scenes person most of the time, so someone who hasn’t been around in a long while can be forgiven if they don’t know the Emperor is.

Last movie, someone here was harping on the Falcon’s wake over a body of water and now this.

Very enlightening! I had no idea Lucasfilm had handcuffed them even more after Jedi. Nor did I know sales were still great in the dead years after 1983.

I misread the topic as wolfman. 😉

KILLOFFPOE said:

SilverWook said:

Are you sure someone doesn’t have a voodoo doll of you? 😉

That was no skidding turn, that was real spacecraft physics. Babylon 5 had spacecraft turn on an axis to fire like that all the time.

Star Wars doesn’t have “real spacecraft physics”. Star Wars has always been “WWII in Space”. I’ve never seen a P-51 Mustang make a turn like that!

Is there some limit to how big a spaceship can be I’m not aware of? Snoke’s ship didn’t seem that much larger than Vader’s Star Destroyer. Perhaps Snoke was compensating for something…

The Death Star and the Executor are fine because they’re the culmination of the galaxy-ruling Empire’s power. Those ships are what infinite money and a firm grasp on all supply lines and independent contractors gets you. And they’re single ships. They have to construct a new Death Star when they want another.

But the rules of the Disney Trilogy are evidently “bigger ship every movie” despite whatever happened 18 hours ago in TFA. Starkiller was ridiculous. The First Order has infinite money. Infinite crew. Despite supposedly being a “fringe group” attempting to rise to power on the edge of the galaxy.

Remember that the visual dictionary says than Snoke’s Ship has a crew of TWO MILLION the next time a disney fan tries to convince you the First Order is “small” or resource constrained.

Pretty sure P-51’s defy physics in Lucas’ Red Tails movie. Spacecraft don’t make noise in a vacuum either. 😉

I don’t take much stock in what the visual dictionary says. Would you take what they imply about Snoke as gospel?

Are you sure someone doesn’t have a voodoo doll of you? 😉

That was no skidding turn, that was real spacecraft physics. Babylon 5 had spacecraft turn on an axis to fire like that all the time.

Is there some limit to how big a spaceship can be I’m not aware of? Snoke’s ship didn’t seem that much larger than Vader’s Star Destroyer. Perhaps Snoke was compensating for something…

ray_afraid said:

I’d like to thank all of you on not jumping me when I said I haven’t seen this movie and don’t care to. I did that elsewhere earlier today and was immediately labeled “not a real fan”.
And that was the nicest thing I was called.
And, just like here, I made sure to announce that I’m not anti-anything or anyone or boycotting or whatever nonsense. Didn’t matter. I’m a “hater” and a “miserable person” apparently.

Sorry to hear that. I’m growing to despise some elements of this fandom. Some people need to lose the Gaffi stick up their ass. Remember when Star Wars used to be fun?

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

Another thing is that even though both TLJ and TESB are the low points, try to compare the endings. TESB’s ending still seems more hopeful, even if only visually due to the room of the final scene being white and Luke and Leia wearing white, while looking at a beautiful space-y thing and awaiting for another adventure to save his friends.

One may argue that TLJ’s ending is even more hopeful due to the whole message that Luke was trying to pass on, and then broom boy showing the rebellion spreading, yadda yadda yadda, but in the end, for the characters it seems much more hopeless than TESB’s. Compare Luke’s last line spoken in TESB to Rey’s in TLJ.

“I’ll meet you at the rendezvous point in Tatooine. Chewie, I’ll be waiting for your signal. […]”
“How do we build a rebellion from this?”

Pay attention to their faces, to everything. Rey’s basically hopeless, holding a destroyed lightsaber in her hands, not knowing what to do. While Luke is hopeful, determined determined to rescue his friend, it’s under his control. And he’s fixing his hand, putting that behind him.

Obviously they’re different movies with different characters in different circumstances, but it’s just to show that you don’t have to apparently destroy all of the character’s “hopefulness” and will in order to put them in their low point.

Except Leia responds, which changes Rey’s expression. The movie doesn’t just end after Rey’s line.

Yes, but I didn’t get the feeling that Leia was very sure of herself and of the Resistance at that point. I got the idea of a mom that knows that they’re screwed but is trying to comfort a hopeless child. (And herself)

So it didn’t really convince me. But it’s not a problem I have with the movie, just an observation.

Leia is very sure of herself. This is the lady who saw her entire world (and people she knew and loved) blown to bits, she’s had much worse days than this.

Possessed said:

SilverWook said:

Well, if he gets the flu, he’s got nobody to blame but himself.

I envy your innocence.

As I just read about another kid dying from the flu that was probably preventable, this is what morons like Kilmeade deserve.

TV’s Frink said:

So SWGOH pulled a Rian and added both Rose and Holdo to the game last week.

Everyone is taking it well.

Sounds like they need to moderate what names people can use.

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star

With the exception of the crust, the station’s entire interior is full of cherry filling.

Damn, you beat me to the pie joke. 😛

Well, if he gets the flu, he’s got nobody to blame but himself.

But it helps. 😉 I’ve seen at least one Blu Ray review where the author was totally unaware they were not watching the unaltered 1971 film. And don’t get me started on people who think Jabba was present in the 1977 release of Star Wars…

Mocata said:

Yeah it’s not made with that kind of logic in mind. Like they way the heroes actively waste time and risk their lives shooting at TIE Fighters instead of just jumping to hyperspace.

Also - wasn’t it the Noad System or is that a fresh idea for the mis-heard stuff thread?

Han said when they were leaving Tatooine hyperspace jump calculations take time. The Death Star might have even jumped since they were captured,(or traveled some distance from the Alderaan system) so extra time to figure out where they are and Yavin is probably not a destination one has preset coordinates for.

I presume Navi 'puters are faster and more precise three decades later.