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#55568
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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Originally posted by: die-jarjar-die

So as a now 30 yr old what do I like about the PT? Well the script sucks ass for the most part BUT the STORY kicks ass! The almost Shakespearian playout of events concerning the downfall of an entire Galaxy is incredible, & for that we must acknowledge George Lucas's skill at writing story. I am so intrigued by how the story plays out I cant stop thinking about where its heading next. Palpatine is slowly becoming my favourite villain in the Star Wars Saga, so cunning, so sly, so ingenious. Obviously we know Palpatine forges the Empire & the Jedi are hunted down & exterminated.....but how??? & why??? Do the Jedi confront Palpatine & Palpatine is forced to remove the threat b yany means necessary or does he use the Jedi's apparant involvement in secretly cloning an Army as evidence that they were preparing a military coup & thus branding them traitors & outlaws...these questions, & more, I hope to have answered in Episode 3, the shitty eye candy & dick jokes the kids can have, the Vader being transformed the gay fan boys can have, I'm just gonna be content with seeing how this EPIC story concludes.


i agree, finally one SWs fn that looks at it in that light.
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#55480
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Ultimates
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55480/action/topic#55480
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you know luke you really should lay off the sarcasum, and you really should be nice to jimbo to. he agreed to stop insulting people now you should as well, or else youll be the next one to get a temporary ban. i am sure jay would say that is ok seeing as the it happened to jimbo for defending himself.

he is not entirely wrong on most of his points. some of his CGI stuff is grounded, alot of the complaints you make about CG can be said for puppet work as well. you know the knew yoda's eyes do look more really then puppet yoda. and his opinions on the PT are mostly grounded as well. and just cus you like some ones work doesnt mean that you worship them. i like the PT and thing that GL did a good job for the most part and rather then say he did a good job your complaining about some medichlorin crap that has no really implietcations on the movie. the same goes for the han shot, it such a small detail who reallly cares how shots first in the end. (i was mad at lotr for not have the battle on palentir fields in darkness but am i complaining about it and insulting PJ NO)

sorry but i have been standing silent for too long and i jsut had to say something ok.
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#55476
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55476/action/topic#55476
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
and for the old argument their his films he can do what he wants... thats fine... but it doesnt change the fact that they suck... and will never be better than the OT....


in your opinion. and you guys keep proving my point you dont liek the movie because it doesnt feel like a SW movie. when really its just a different type of SW movie, what that your not used to, there are only two examples of bad acting in the PT 1. Anakin in all of TPM, and anakin in the first half of AOTC. and i thing that the guy makes up for it with a very very strong finish, the acting at the end of AOTC was flawless. (last 45 mins).

and what is bad aobut the story. give me examples and please stop being vague. if it is so clearly bad the spell it out for me. if can then i will say that i am wrong and that will be the end of it, but please tell me what is bad about the story.
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#55452
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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I don't agree. I think 20 years from now, people who are kids now will feel passionately about Harry Potter maybe not as passionately we are about the OT, but certainly more passionately then they will feel in regards to the PT(with the exception of Jimbo or course). I believe that people can still get entranced watching movies.


harry potter is a book, it was the book the entranced ppl not the movies, the movie where just additive.

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they why does everything in the PT look and feel more futuristic than the OT?


well there is two answers that question, first as i said b4, the PT takes place in a happier time when things are goood the galaxy is at peace. things are going to look alot better b/c of a lil formula peace = properity = lots of ppl having money and wanting to look good = cooler looking ships. and another thing besides the naboo fighters what in the PT looks more advanced they the OT. you dont see ships the size of Death stars or Star Destroyers. the big clone ships are troop transports not battle ships. in the PT you see mini walkers that look less advanced then the walkers in ESB. to tell you the trueth the only ships in the PT that look better then ships in the OT are the naboo Royal Fighter which have higly polished hulls so they look like mirrors. you know the look more advanced because there not F**kin models which are bloody impossible to make look advanced.

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true. But the PT didn't have to take place in peace. It could have started up in the middle of the Clone wars.


IT COULDN'T HAVE STARTED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CLONE WARS, B/C there would be no basis for what was going on, we would know half the story, we would have known anything about naboo, which was important in some of the political scenes in AOTC, we would know where anakin was or how 'good' he really was in the begining( which defeats the purpose of the PT) we wouldnt know about anything that happned in AOTCs cus that movie ended with the begining of the clone wars. inother words your writing off 2 thirds the PT which in my opinion you dont have the RIGHT to do. you can write off parts but not the whole bloody thing.

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the scope of the OT wasn't Galactic? lets see.......a story about a group of rebel freedom fighters trying to overthrow an evil Galactic empire and free the whole Galaxy is not of Galactic scope? hmmmm, then what is?


did you get nothing about what i said. here ill make is ezier for you. it is not galactic in the sence that you dont have two KEY events that happen at the same time that are in different parts of the galaxy. in the TPM you have events occuring on curosant, naboo, and tatooien at the same time. in AOTC, there is stuff occuring that we see on naboo, curosant, geonosis, and tatoonie. did you see anyhting like that in the OT the most we ever say was luke on dagobah and every one else somewhere else together. if you dont get what i am say there then you'll never get it.

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wrong, they both have the Star Wars name and they are both from the same universe and are both part the same movie series therefor they should have a simular look and feel.
But the fact that they don't have the same feel is not why the PT stinks (in my opinion). It stinks because of a bad storyline, bad acting, flat characters, too much CGI, too many plot holes, and Jar Jar Stinks.


No no i am not wrong, maybe if you would open your mind a lil we can compare it to other series where the movies are continutive, and they take place ofr a 50 year span. well the first series like that tocome to mind are the STAR TREK movies. what was the feel in old movies. they were dusty and grity. in the new movies everything is newer and more sleak. the movies have the same name but they are DEFINATELY DONT HAVE THE SAME FEEL. this all goes back to my I think i figured it out idea, the movies are too different for some OT ffans to accept. that is the reason plain and simple.

what si bad about the story line tell me specifics?
what is bad about the acting asides from the fact that they have corny lines? (something that the OT had aswell but at the time when the OT came out they werent corny) once again specifics.
how are the characters flat, define flat for me so i know what you mean, specific examples?
what is wrong with CGI it is a tool used by all movies today? i could use the same excuse and say that the OT sucks cus yoda looks like a puppet he is not real. but i dont cus that is a stupid reason. and is has no basis.
Give me examples of Plot holes? Asides from the medachloirnes one which can be argued either way and has be rehashed too many times, you say there are too many give me more then 4. cus if the PT has more the 5 plot holes then i would define that as too many aswell.
You can say he sucks as much as you waht but the fact is that it is childish and immature to dislike a trilogy because of one character that is playes a supporting role.

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If that is true shouldn't Lucas have realized this when he was deciding how he was going to make the PT. He should have said to himself "if I make the PT this way(the way he made it, that is) it will be different from the OT and OT fans won't like it. So maybe I should make the PT in a style that more closely resembles the OT so the fans will like it more


NO because she doesnt answer to the fans, its his story, his movie, his stuff, not yours. he didnt make it for the fans he made it too complete his vision, if he were make it for the fan he would have made them back in the 80s rather then wait 20 odd years. and you cant say that he is stupid for doing it that is like say that tolkien is stupid for scorching the shire at the end of lotr. tolkien wanted to socrch the shire it was part of his vision. just like lucas is making the PT the way it is cus its part if his vision..

its not stupid not to release the OT its just cruel. but again its HIS choice. no one else decides but him, and you cant call him stupid cus what he does, doesnt clear your approval, he is alot older the most of you, and he is the creator of Star Wars what it is now it what it was always going to be. it is part of what you have always loved you just didn't know it at the time. if he doesnt want the OT out there on DVD it is because the OT was not his full vision, now he is able to fulfill his full vision so he is not you going to keep reprintingg old stuff. it like if you have a computer program, lets say adobe photoshop. you have adobe photoshop 6 out on the market so why would you re-release adobe photoshop 2. that is probably the way he sees it which is not a stupid way of looking at it, it is just different.
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#55440
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Hockey Talk
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Originally posted by: Itchy
did you forget that the only game that the US lost was the gold medal game against Canada? They swept through the olympics.


did you forget that canada has 40 world championships
the sweds have like 30
the czechs have like 30


and the US has like 4 or 5

world championships include: the world cup, the olympics, and the worlds tornament.

i am not saying the US is bad all i am saying is that they are not a top hockey nation. US doesnt really care for hockey that is why, they love baseball, basketball, and football more so that is where there best players are. they have without a dougt the best basketball team, and of baseball/ football were internation they would have the best teams there as well. but they are not top in hockey.
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#55341
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spider-man 2
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55341/action/topic#55341
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Well I saw it today and thoght it was brilliant.
The best movie I've seen in ages....the best!!

Loved it......apart from the two little shits behind me who wouldn't stop fucking talking....wankers!!!

Gotta see it again!!!!!


opps.. my bad

here i got an idea for a how it will work, and this s very different from the comics. in the 3rd movie venom is introduced, and we have the green goblin again. hows this fro something. as wel all know the symbot is evil and it makes spiderman evil as well for a short time, and we all know that fro a time spiderman is better with venom and he likes venom. what if as the venom spiderman peter kills the second green goblin and after killing his best friend as venom he realizes that the symbiot is evil the movie ends with him getting ride of it and thinking that it is gone. there is a good way to use everything and tie the 3rd and 4th.
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#55340
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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Originally posted by: Warbler
here's the thing about the PT

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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
I am sure I can post this and you'll understand...the magic of star wars. It defined my generation and no, its not like Harry Potter, Matrix or even Lord of the Rings. It was Sci-Fi, yes, but it was amazing. It was incomprehensible and incomparable to anything ever before or even since. And we knew it. That score and that scrawl together still gives me chills. The figures, I had them all. I lived it, breathed it. I remember bludgeoning my brothers with the now banned hard plastic, non-collapsable, glow-in-the-dark light sabers of course in a dark room. Beating each other senseless. Making vader noises. It captivated us. It moved us. There was good and evil in a clear way, not the convuluted mess of most movies today (though LOTR does this well). It was emotions and humanity. The relationships between the characters transcended the sci-fi setting. They had life, they weren't stoic like the new mess or overly cartoony. I am saying all this because I have seen the originals over a 100 times a piece. And growing up I heard the rumors of a trilogy to come before the IV-VI episodes and then a VII-IX trilogy, but years ticked by, the cast got older, I got older, and I put it aside as fantasy. Then I heard a rumor, and another of a new trilogy. The Phantom Menace is coming, people camping out for weeks. This is it. I sat in that seat, again hearing that score, seeing that scrawl with chills...16 YEARS, I've waited and its real. Then Jar-Jar, kiddie anakin, jar-jar, stoic emotionless character, cartoony scenes (was it me or did the technology from 1977 using the models look more realistic), the big fish scooby-doo scene, a whole race of Jar-Jar's...OK the pod-race cool, good, the darth maul scenes, awesome, ok its getting better, ummm wait, did he just die? Uh, Jar-Jar lives and Darth Maul dies (ok, lucas realising the cult status of boba fett after killing him does jango...hmm, duh, maul was that type of cool). I was crushed. I stayed in denial and in fact never went back to see it in the theater again. I saw it on DVD and saw the ATOC several times ( a vast improvement), but I stayed in denial. This was movies that were decent, but in my mind I had to divorce them from the ones I love so I didn't get sick inside. Because if they were Star Wars, my expectations were too high, my love too great. I'd forgive any, but Luca$. 16 years to prepare, 16 years to get it right, 16 years to work a real script with a monsterous fan base willing to contribute. And we got "jar-jar cartoons". I've put it all out of my mind over the last few years. The more I heard about Luca$ releasing one movie at a time of the original when he released all his others I thought. Screw this guy, how much money do you need (although now there is a box set coming out of the SE's). It's sickening. Then I heard about edits. The movies being edited, to how they should've been. I did some searches and came upon this site (Yes I love the OT as well another thing Luca$ messed up dearly). I got giddy again. People that love the original. People like Rikter and Magnoliafan that love the mythos so much that they collect, remaster, edit and improve. Giving the fans what they wanted all along (isn't that the point and further, why couldn't he realize this - now it's bigger than him and $$$). Just thought I'd share a love hate story and what brought me here. I love the posts. I love the forward-minded thinking. I love the dreaming of what if here. And I love that no one here blindly praises all that is Luca$. Star wars is mine and yours, not his, he just created it. That's my story. And I'll still get chills from that score and that scrawl no matter what.


now, do you believe that any one who is a kid right now, while the PT is coming out, is going feel and write as passionately about the PT in twenty years? I doubt it. I wish I could separate them from the OT like Bossk does, but I can't. All I keep thinking about is what could and should have been. If you like the PT, then enjoy. But I don't and can't. Sorry, that's how it is.


Thanks you are proving my point. that is what iw as talking about the PT did not seem like a SWs movie cus it was too different. The PT was too different from the OT you said it your self, cus it was more soap opra like, and character captivated you, and you were intranced. but the fact is that in the world today no kid would ever feel the way you did about SW with any movie, it is a point of changed times. in our world today people do not entrance themselves with movies. it have to some point with Lotr but Lotr was a special case. Lotr in my opinion was the foundation for modern fantasy, it was the first true fantasy novel. but all that is besides the point. another thing is that now matter what lucas did there is truely nothing that would have made you truely happy ( i am not saying this to spite you its just the simple trueth). after 16 years the millions of SWs fans all created there own idea of what happens in teh PT, and they al wanted it to be exactly like the originals, but the trueth is that this cannot be done, you cannot please everyong and it is immpossible to made a movie that will appeal to your fans in the exactly the same ways your originaly films did 16 years ago. times change, and people change. alll of this does not mean that the PT is horrible, its jsut different, which is what it is supposed to be.

lets look at the differences between the PT and the OT fundimentally.

1. the PT takes play 30-20 years b4 the OT.
that is a big time difference.

2. the PT take place in a time of overwhelming peace, whereas the OT is in a time of great opression.
the PT takes play during the golden age of the republic, jsut b4 and while it falls. the OT takes place after the fall of a civilizetion that existed for thousands of years, therefore there is it is going to be inheartently dark, asposed to the PT which should be very bright.

3. the scope of the PT is much much bigger then the OT. the OT was planetary whereas the PT was Galactic. this difference in scope is key.
cus it makes the movie impersonal therefore distroying what made the OT so great.

the fact is that the PT is different, and this doesnt mean that the PT sucks all it means is that the PT and the OT are differenet which is what they were fundimentaly suppose to be.
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#55235
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The New Jedi Order - book series
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yeah coursant gets pretty shit kicked. since you alreaddy know that it is taken ill tell you the extient to what is done to it:


they distroy one of its moons and create a ring, the buildings them selves are covered in a type of fungus planet wide that eats durocrete, so inother worlds the planet is literaly turned to rubble, the also change it orbit around the sun so that it is much closer to its sun. and if i recall they even change the sky colour. we are talking a complete and utter erasal of the planet. and it is indistingashable with its previous state. they rename it yuzuntar as well.