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#56412
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
ok to answer a couple of them.

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2 At the end of the TPM the Jed cousel change their minds and decide to train Anakin. No reason is given for this change of heart.

ok i realize that this is not told but this is probably the reason. the jedi knwe the sith existed they found out when maul died. since anakin had bee discovered the sith would know about him already, so they may have wanted to keep him close i think that they were afraid that the new sith master would search out anakin if they sent him back to tatooien. now a dark anakin from the begining would have been worst then the anakin we have now. I do not know why yoda didnt train anakin?


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5 Why did Darth Didious send Darth Maul to attack the Queen on Tat? If the Queen had been killed she would not have been able to go to Coruscant to declare a vote of no confidence in the President.

maul was not sent to kill her, he was sent to capture her.

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6 What kind of Senate has the leaders of worlds declaring votes of no confidence on the senate floor? Its the Senate! isn't that the job of senators?

what kind of senate, well the SW senate does. that is not a plot hole warbler, jsut complaining. policticals systems are different everywhere you go. the canadian senate is much different then the US senate.



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here is another thing that has always bothered me. In ESB Obi says that Yoda was " The jedi master who instucted me ". In TPM we find out it was really Quigon who trained Obiwan. I guess Lucas will have reedit the ESB so it fits his "original vision" right.

yodda teachs all the padawans, remeber in AOTCs you see him with the class. and we know that yoda trained obiwan for awhile cus in TPM he says yoda always told me to be mindfull of my thoughts. suggesting tutorage.
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#56411
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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ok to answer a couple of them.

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2 At the end of the TPM the Jed cousel change their minds and decide to train Anakin. No reason is given for this change of heart.

ok i realize that this is not told but this is probably the reason. the jedi knwe the sith existed they found out when maul died. since anakin had bee discovered the sith would know about him already, so they may have wanted to keep him close i think that they were afraid that the new sith master would search out anakin if they sent him back to tatooien. now a dark anakin from the begining would have been worst then the anakin we have now. I do not know why yoda didnt train anakin?


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5 Why did Darth Didious send Darth Maul to attack the Queen on Tat? If the Queen had been killed she would not have been able to go to Coruscant to declare a vote of no confidence in the President.

maul was not sent to kill her, he was sent to capture her.

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6 What kind of Senate has the leaders of worlds declaring votes of no confidence on the senate floor? Its the Senate! isn't that the job of senators?

what kind of senate, well the SW senate does. that is not a plot hole warbler, jsut complaining. policticals systems are different everywhere you go. the canadian senate is much different then the US senate.
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#55962
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Motti and dayv are missing
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actually i was wondering where you were switch, but the reason you havent got your own thread where is radic thread is cus you got 250 posts where as, both me and dayv have like 4300, and motti has over 10000. youll notice that it was new guys that maed these threads. not us. well i lied i did make this one but it was an issue b4 i made the thread.
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#55698
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The Ultimate Abomination - EU...
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still the idea of clone would be the big thing. the already know that the SW people grow food with machines and they didnt seeem to to pissed of about that. so clone would just be liek growing people with machines. it doesnt matter if life is sentiant or not to them theyh dont really care. but they would care if something was enslaved metally in a machine while other machines used that life thing for energy. man that pisses me off, the vong would probably get so made that a veiwn would pop in the skulls.
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#55697
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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Originally posted by: Pagz
Jimbo does have a talent for being... "popular" doesn't he



personally i love the guy he brings soo much stuf to these forums. i have say there are alot of opinion that he has i i agree with and if i was hte only person agrueing about them i would probably have left the site a long time ago.


P.S. to all you guys that have to read my posts, thanks for putting up with my bad grammer and spelling if only this site was sett up lie word then i could prefect me writing but it is jsut too much work to got back an edite a post that is liek 500 words or longer.
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
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how many kids do you think truely understand what Lotr is about.

hrm... im not lying when i say this but a monkey could understand LOTR... whats so complicated about the LOTR story?
its the simplicity of the story that captivates people...

they dont use works like Chancellor, Senate, Republic, Emergency Powers... what kinda kids are gonna know what these mean???
unless they watch CNN constantly...
lol


yeah sorry your right bad example. but here is one the terminator story


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OKay, where is all this information coming from? because it's certainly not coming from the movie. The opening crawl merely tells us that the taxation of trade routes is in dispute. That's it. If naboo was the primary supporter of the taxation, we need to find out about that, but even so, that does not neccessarily explain the blockade, and certainly not the invasion. Why blockade a small, out of the way planet like Naboo, when they could go after a much higher profile planet, say Alderaan. If they're trying to make a political point, blockading a small, peaceful planet is not the best way to go about it. Unfortunately, this still doesn't explain why the Trade Federation would invade the Naboo. What would there be for them to gain from it? Nothing. What could they lose? Everything. It seems to me that while the blockade possibly has political justifications (although they are never discussed in the film, which is a *big* problem) there is absolutely no reason for the Federation to escalate things by invading Naboo.


because naboo is palpatines planet and it creates a sympathy vote for him.

another point i am sure that if a chief of state is imprisioned then the senetor could speak on her behalf, in a special circumstances. therefore he could get himself elected, on the otehr hand he could have banked on amidala escaping, cus he new the visory was an idiot.


i apologize in advance to an and all jewish people for my flowing post, it is not my intention to be rasict i am mearly drawing from history.
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Actually, I based that belief on several things. First, the fact that the Jedi had been wiped from the public conciousness. Something like that takes a long time, it's not something that could reasonably be done in a 20 year span. Too many people in the universe to remember how it was before. Too many long lived species like Hutts and Wookies to remember how it was. Second, Obi-Wan was pretty old, seemingly in his late 70's. He talked about being a jedi Knight during the clone wars, which were before the Empire. He also talked about meeting Luke's father, who was a star pilot. This suggested that they were roughly the same age, or he was just a little older. I got the distinct impression that The clone wars happened whiel Kenobi was in his 20's. Based on that, I had the empire's age estimated at roughly 40 or 50 years old, depending. Then of course, there's the Imperial Navy. So many commanders clearly in their late 40's and 50's. One does not get to be an admiral overnight. It seemed to me that a lot of these commanders would have had reasonably long careers in the imperial navy. Not to mention, calling it an Empire when it's 20 years old, sounds awfully presumptuous. It's not a word that generally gets attatched to things that have only been around for a short time. To me the word Empire suggests longevity as well as size.


ok in WW2 if hitlier had succeded( which he came very vyer vyer close to doing) and he purged jews around the world, in a matter of years. in the late sixties how many ppl would really remeber the jew. that is a generation of people later with a fasist government(the empire). there is alot that can be done in 20 years when you have a facist government.

also to the point where the general called the jedis magians. well it this mind seet what around in TMP was well " what you think you are some sort of jedi trying to do mind tricks."

And another thingn reference to the advancement of generals, many of the major genrals are of he empire are already serving in the navy in the PT. i know this reference is from a book but the fact is you can only put so much in a movie. In rogue planet, genral tarkins character is explained a lil and we learn that he is already a genral at the time, it is possible that he defects to the imperial army right away, therefore his career in the navy is mroe the 20 years, and his career in the imperial navy is 20 years, that is a long tiem to serving in the navy thous he is granted a high position.

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The difference here is that the Empire is not confined to a single continents worth of raw materials.

yea but they are not defending and yeping one continat together, the Galaxy is a big place, and this is alot offronts that need to be covered, and as for the rebellion, they are beeing funded and bulding there own stuff the dotn have access to the big technology that the empire has. i should also ad that the NJO takes place 25 years after the OT and the technology is relitively the same. mayeb the SW galaxy has reacched a point of techonologycal advancement where it is very hard to get better.

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Absolutely, it is because the effects were primitive in 77. The problem is that no effort was made in the PT to match the displays to the OT. Hence the impression of more advanced technology.

its not the PTs fault that is looks better then the OT, but oent hat front i say give it time when lucas redoes the OT in the 2007 versions, he will probably make all the ships look just and cool looking as the ones in the PT, that is without changing the designs of them.

ok now there are many other thing points that i wanted to counter but i am like others just too tired at this time to finish this post, so ill leave it as it is and close with this.

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I really wish he'd gone the route he did for the original trilogy, that is, writing the story, but leaving the script to professional, talented screenwriters. George is a good story man, but not a good writer. Why he continues to write them himself is a mystery to me. Oh well.


i do to cus a good screen play script would have made it ez for most people to draw the conclusions that i have drawn about most of the plot holes that you have commented on. your are right it is a bad script in terms of connecting things i agree with you there but it is not a bad story.
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#55574
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thanx

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1.) The trade dispute between Naboo and the federation is never explained. There is no motivation at all. Why does the Federation invade? what is it Naboo imports or exports to make blockading them worthwhile? Naboo is supposed to be a smallish out of the way world, why would the federation blockade it instead of some more high profile world, like say, Alderaan?


because palpatine told them to, because padme was young and easy to maniputate, and remeber the line in TMP " our situation will create a sympathy vote for us." pali told them to in order to became the grand chansilor.

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2.) The Jedi wear the same robes Obi-Wan did in ANH. Kenobi was in *hiding*. He wore those clothes because everyone on tatooine wore simlar garb. If you're a Jedi in hiding, you don't wear your continue wearing your uniform.


everyone thought he was dead even the ppl on tatoneen so why not, and no one knew that he was a jedi. and his robe were on exactly like the jedi robes in the PT. and i think there are alot of ppl in the galaxy that dress in robes.

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3.) Technology. It's a lot more advanced in the PT than in the OT. I'm sorry, but any argument about the T being in a better time for the galaxy is just bull. You seriously think the Empire would revert back to more primitive technology? There's a difference between ship design becoming more mechanical and utilitarian during the empire years than an actual about face in technology. Hell, if a 9 year old slave can builed a pod racer with a more sophisticated graphical user interface than the x-wing and tie fighters of the OT, then something is seriously wrong.


its not and seriously this arguemnt is starting to f*ckin piss me off. the reason they LOOK more advanced is cus they CGI, but infact if you were to look at it more carefully then you woulds see that it is not more advanced. is there anything like a D star in the PT the transports in AOTC look primitive in a sense, the walkers and ATATs in ESB are more advanced, just cus the ships look better doest meant that they are, maybe you should read some of the SW novels like the thrawn trilogy, SDs are far far far more advance then anything in the PT. the Tie fighters are fast and more numble then the noobien fighters, as are the x-wings, and y-wings.

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4.) Protocol droids from 30 years before the OT are identical to the ones in the OT. Sorry, no advance in droid design in 30 years? I call shenanigans. The difference didn't have to be dramatic, but they should at least have made the effort.


ok telll em why would you fix something that works. the droids were great then so why change what they look like. they do probably have more features 30 years later. the other things that comes to minds is the fact that in a civilization that has last for 4000 years made they have prefect driod design to the point where doing any more may not be productive. fo example i remeber hearing a line once in the PT OT or EU where i guy was talking to a driod and said if driods were smarter then we would all be dead.

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5.) Force Powers. The Jedi have the ability to run super fast in the beginning of TPM, yet, when that power would have become usefull at the end of the film, with Kenobi, Qui-Gon, Maul and the shield corridor (and don't even try to explain the logic behind that one) it disappears. Some will argue Obi was tired, I say bull. It's just more dramatic if he doesn't make it through, so we convieniently forget about that power for the time being.


see up till this point you had good points but say what you justsaid makes it sound as thought you dont want to like the PT in other word you never gave ti a chance, you were look for things that may be mistakes. ever thought that he may be tired, using the force does take alot out of you why do you think that jedi dont just go all out force. throwing things and such,( well masters do but a borderline knight i dont think so).

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6.) Anakin built C-3PO? booooo. Yet somehow Kenobi, Vader, Owen Lars, and everyone who had ever come into contact with 3P0, and artoo for that matter, forget about them? Bull.


ok good point, i and many other have always been suspicious of whether kenobi nows the driods or not. as for owens your right he should remeber but that is a minor fault. vader, again maybe vader did know but when is he actually in contract with the driods fro a long period of time in any of the OT. who else are you refering to how many ppl are in the OT that are major in the PT??

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7.) The Hyperdrive is Leaking. What? When in the OT or anywhere else has it ever been suggested that the hyperdrive uses any kind of fuel? The hyperdrive is not an engine, it's an apparatus which punches the ship out of normal space and into hyperspace. There would be nothing for the hyperdrive to leak.


how do you know are you a SW technician who nows exatly how a hyper drive works. we know that the ships use fuel so why cant it be plossible that the fuel is used fro the HD where does it say that the HD doesnt use fuel.

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8.) Clone wars? what clone wars? These are clearly seperatist wars, that happen to be fought with clones.


well we havent really seen anything from the clone wars yet cus it started at the end of aotc but maybe its called the clone wars cus the clones were the domant weapon in the wars, cus the clone is what won the wars. hmm... its all speculation, but it doesnt matter any more cus it the name of the war is not really a plot hole, a lucas could have called it the war fro the galaxy if he wanted that is what it is about but he doesnt why i dont know only he knows.


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9.) The empire is only 20 years old? Did anyone watching ANH come to the conclusion that the Empire was a mere 20 years old? well, considering the Empire doesn't come into existence until episode 3, and that Luke and leia are born in episode 3, and that in ANH they're both 20, yup, the Empire is only 20 years old.


what makes you believe taht the empire was older, nothing, waht makes you believe that it is young, well the leader has children when he was good, and he turned he became like the second in comand of the empire, mean that he probably had soemthing to do with it at the beginin... you see where i am going with this. and also there is a rebellion meaning that there are still parts of the galaxy that are still at war, and also you hear in ANH that the last of the senate is gone i dont think the senated would hang around for more then 2 decades after the empire had been founded. in it self it is strange in away that pali did kill the senate right away. but maybe he thought that if he did the entire galaxy would be in a upraor, its like puting a lobseter in water and warming of the water, the labster dont realize what has happened until its dead.

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10.) the general public in the OT don't believe in the Jedi anymore. How effective was the Emperor's smear campaign against them if in a matter of 20 years, everybody has forgotten them? Surely people in their 40's and up remember the Jedi? Surely those races who love a lot longer do to. What gives?


who knows maybe the jedi are not as forgotten as we think maybe it was only on off water planets like tatooeen. in ANH takin talks about them as if they were just receently all killed. " the jedi are extinict you my friend are the last of there kind" also every oen knows about how the empire hunted them down. so therefore everyone thinks they are dead. and so dont really pay tht much mind to them.