When will the trailer be released? One week? Two weeks?
Can we countdown to the trailer? How many days until?
adywan said:AxiaEuxine said:Chrille said:...I thought most capital ships in the pt looked fake, like from a video game.
This argument is really tired, not to mention inaccurate. They did not look like a videogame.
sorry but it is pretty accurate to describe the way the larger ships looked in the final 2 films of the PT. there was just something about them that looked more like a piece of artwork than a real object. CG can work really well for smaller ships but larger objects should always be a real object. combine the two and that video game look is eliminated. you can tell that physical models were made for TPM. it had a whole different feel to it.
I must disagree in most regards, but then again this is an opinion topic. What I find really funny when someone describes something and insists you can tell it is CG when I know from the books and making of docus a large model was used. Not that this applies here necessarily.
Also remember, people working on movie effects have deadlines, not an endless amount of time to work on something with no set date.
So much for the Ewoks worshipping their golden idol.
adywan said:Sevb32 said:It's cool to enjoy building this stuff, but it all costs money, and sure you could build some of it, but I am sure some people would donate their time and/or models & skills to helping out. Maybe this will encourage some people to get to work on some things, get people who are not gonna worry if their models get banged up a bit while filming. I'd like to see this before I die, and I don't wanna be 50 to 60 years old when I do. Life is too short.
You 've said you don't wanna add things "just because you can" but explain to me the real difference, that gray area, is everything absolutely necessary? Just like not everything in ANH:R was absolutely necessary. Not that I didn't think it was terrific, because it sure was. I guess the key thing is OPINION, not fact.
"I cannot teach him. This boy has not patience." (just kidding)
why rush something just to get it out there when i could take a little more time and money to do it right. Sure there are only a few things that need replacing in ESB:R. you can't argue that the asteroid canyon and Rebel shield generator desperately need replacing along with the rebel hangar mattes. the best way to do this is with models.
Now Jedi needs a lot of work. this is supposed to be the finale to the whole saga yet the whole battle is pretty lame and seems rushed. It seemed more concentrated on the Ewoks than the struggle the Rebel fleet was having in orbit. it should have been the other way around. This should be the battle to end all battles...and it will be. There will be the new ending that completes the saga. you will get to see the reason why they seem to be celebrating around the galaxy so early after the Death Star was destroyed. I need to use models for some of the replacements and extra shots. i don't want to fully use CGI. I haven't yet seen a CGI stardestroyer on the net that looked as convincing as a real model. sure the smaller ships can be replaced by CGI but i don't want a fully CGI scene as it just won't fit in. Having the larger ships be real models and smaller ships be CGI will create a great balance that will fit with the original FX.
If ROTJ:R takes the longest to do then so be it. I have a vision of how i want ROTJ:R to turn out and i have to be prepared to put the extra work in to accomplish this. i'm not going to cut corners just to get the movie out as soon as possible because people are becoming impatient.I will never be working on these films again once they are done. there will be no special editions or revisited. So it has to be done right the first time around because i don't want to be sitting there watching them in a few years time saying " damn i wish i had done this or that" because my whole purpose for doing these edits is to do the versions i wanted to see , and if i begin to wish i'd taken a bit more time and added something else then i would have failed.
But truth told I think we could work on any film the rest of our lives and still find things we could improve or make better with technology, it's just time that stops, films are not really released, they escape. I just wanna see those weird matte lines erased that cover up the tracks when those two speeder bikes take off! (If you know the scene I am talking about.) If you'd fix that one like 5 sec shot first for me I'd be a happy man and be able to wait 5 years more comfortable, lol but also serious.
Janskeet said:Bingowings said:Yeah, that old chestnut.
I was rolling that one around with Angel this morning.
If George and the team had their wits around them they would have put the big golden target in a camonet cloak and the loud silver blue and white one too.
If camotroopers are a doable thing, than maybe that could be too (i'm just not sure if any of those things are doable without reshooting every scene they are in).
Still 4ft long Star Destroyers are popping out of the Adywan factory and there are a lot of other talent lads and ladies here.
I think we have to learn to unlearn.
It doesn't sound like Adywan will get around to ROTJ: R until 2010 or 2011. Perhaps by then, software will have improved to the point where it is easy to do those kinds of things, but I doubt it.
I'm sure they had the technology in 1982 to make camotroopers, they just chose not to. Maybe the Empire was so overconfident they didn't see anything as much of a threat, camo or not.
ben_danger said:EyeShotFirst said:ben_danger said:maybe too radical, and i dont know why or how this could be done, but maybe somehow leia could have it, and she could give it to luke to where, repeating anakin's line from TPM 'it will bring you luck' (i think he says that.:P)
i am assuming that ROTS:R wont have padme dying, to fit in with her surviving until leia is young enough to remember her, and thus perhaps give it to her.
Adywan isn't gonna go to that kind of trouble for a necklace. Plus, Leia is the daughter of a great jedi. She may think she remembers her mother were in turn she actually has felt her mother. The jedi are hard to understand in that sense. But life finds a way in the star wars universe to continue. Another thing keeping padme alive would be damn near impossible. It would tear the saga apart. and thus be a great continuity error which i hear ady doesn't like continuity errors.
i didnt mean keeping padme alive for the OT, but just not killing her off in ROTS, surely leia saying she remembered her mother as a child, yet somehow dying a few minutes after she was born is a continuity error, as you said ady doesn't like continuity errors. why doesnt luke remember her if its felt through the force? that all sounds a bit like an excuse really.
the necklace i thought was just an interesting conversation topic. i should think that the ROTJ should reference some PT elements (depending on what ady does with the PT) as it should wrap things up a bit more.
Well, it's not all bad, if Leia had said something like "I remember her and I played together when I was 3." or something similar it would have been an ironclad plot hole, but being the way Leia says it. "Just images really....feelings." it can work in the context of the SW Universe, but it would not work here on Earth in real life. We are not force sensitive, Leia is. Why can't Luke remember? It's like saying why someone can remember something an another at the same event cannot. Leia seems more connected to her mother, and Luke more to his father.
adywan said:Sevb32 said:Bingowings said:adywan said:DF Shadow said:WoW....just looking at all the effort and corrections AdY is putting into this awesome project I have to wonder.......is EsBR actually more work that AnHR was??
yeh, its turned out that way. but ESB pales into comparison to what i have to do for ROTJ:R. I'll be scratch building a 4ft approx stardestroyer so i can get some of the new Fx sequences i want to get done. And thats just for starters
Earlier I was chatting about how much a shame it is that after building that huge model we only saw one side of the ROTJ Death Star and how it would be impossible to build it again and you come on here and talk about 4ft Star Destroyer models.
After building it I can see you being tempted to go back and fiddle with ESB:R and ANH:R (imagine what shots you could do with such a resource).
Still I wish he would get help, surely after showing someone ANH:R and ESB:R they'd be willing to help him with the modeling work. I'm betting someone in the U.K. has some of these already built. It's looking like at least another 5 years or more before it (ROTJ:R) will be released.
but i've stated before i enjoy building stuff like this. so what if ROTJ:R does take another 5 years to be released. I'd rather it turned out the way i want it to rather than a half assed effort. i've also said a few times why i won't borrow anyone elses models. its just not a risk i am willing to take.
With all due respect, it's cool to enjoy building this stuff, but it all costs money, and sure you could build some of it, but I am sure some people would donate their time and/or models & skills to helping out. Maybe this will encourage some people to get to work on some things, get people who are not gonna worry if their models get banged up a bit while filming. I'd like to see this before I die, and I don't wanna be 50 to 60 years old when I do. Life is too short.
You 've said you don't wanna add things "just because you can" but explain to me the real difference, that gray area, is everything absolutely necessary? Just like not everything in ANH:R was absolutely necessary. Not that I didn't think it was terrific, because it sure was. I guess the key thing is OPINION, not fact.
Bingowings said:adywan said:DF Shadow said:WoW....just looking at all the effort and corrections AdY is putting into this awesome project I have to wonder.......is EsBR actually more work that AnHR was??
yeh, its turned out that way. but ESB pales into comparison to what i have to do for ROTJ:R. I'll be scratch building a 4ft approx stardestroyer so i can get some of the new Fx sequences i want to get done. And thats just for starters
Earlier I was chatting about how much a shame it is that after building that huge model we only saw one side of the ROTJ Death Star and how it would be impossible to build it again and you come on here and talk about 4ft Star Destroyer models.
After building it I can see you being tempted to go back and fiddle with ESB:R and ANH:R (imagine what shots you could do with such a resource).
Still I wish he would get help, surely after showing someone ANH:R and ESB:R they'd be willing to help him with the modeling work. I'm betting someone in the U.K. has some of these already built. It's looking like at least another 5 years or more before it (ROTJ:R) will be released.
Yeah it might take forever for ROTJ to get released, why not borrow some other fans already made models? I surely there would be some well made ones that someone in the UK would let you borrow, having to hand do everything takes up so much time.
adywan said:yes, i'm having to build a new canyon for when the 2 TIEs collide, luckily i don't have to replace the crater because i wouldn't have the room to build something that size.
funny that you mention the 365 days book because that's one of the things i have asked the wife to get me for my birthday next week.
Yeah, I thought those pics could help a little bit, give you some reference and info. Of course you don't have to do it exactly like ILM did it, but I believe it helps a bit to have some BTS photos.
Awhile back Ady implied or outright said he was also going to build part of canyon walls if I am not mistaken.
Here's some pics of the models used friom the SW in 365 days book. If Ady hasn't already seen them, this is likely something like what he'll be building.
those are titmouse birds?
Lucas just wanted to show off the enviroment a bit more, it was so closed in before. I personally don't care anymore and I think it works either way, nothing to get up in arms about one way or another.
topdawg193 said:Was just looking over all the lovely Cloud City pics that Ady posted again, and I remembered a couple of issues that I know have been discussed, but it was so long ago that I can't remember exactly what's happening with them.
I think I'm right in saying that Ady is restoring the 'Bring my shuttle' line of Vader's (thankfully!), but is the SE shot of Vader and co walking out across the landing platform being scrapped? Having studied both takes, with and without the landing platform, I think that the cut away from Vader just leaving the building is harsher than the cut away from Vader walking out across the platform. I feel that, because the following scene is an outside shot (Luke under Cloud City), the landing platform scene creates a better flow within the movie (being an outside shot as well) than the other, platorm-less cut. Also, because it's so minimal (lasting a mere second or two), I didn't think that it was a gratuitous addition, but rather one which subtly and creatively expanded Cloud City further.
Of course, the scene wouldn't work if Vader's original line is being restored, but it would be feasible (I'd imagine, anyway!) to paint out the shuttle already there and have the platform empty, awaiting Vader's ship. This way, the scene could feature in ESB:R.
Also, is the scene of Vader's shuttle flying towards the Executor from Bespin being excised? I think I remember talk that this scene isn't going to make ESB:R, but I'm not overly sure.
Again, having recently studied both takes, with and without this SE addition, I feel that this addition is minimal and subtle enough that it doesn't detract from the flow established in the film at this point. The 'Falcon-Tie Fighters' chase hasn't started yet, so it doesn't clutter that sequence, and I feel that it makes the transition from 'Vader-on-Bespin' to 'Vader-on-Executor' more palatable, whereas before (due to the time apart from seeing Vader) it was slightly sudden when he appeared on the bridge of the Executor.
Any knowledge of Ady's plan of action for these sequences?
I've been saying either crop out the shuttle or paint it out, but I don't think Ady was going to do it.
Janskeet said:I really hate this new Emporer scene. While I know in the original version the Emporer looks like he has green skin and there is a continuity error with ROTJ, I really wouldn't mind Adywan just using the original Emperor. I know this new one looks like him more, but something just doesn't look right about him. I can't stand the new dialog, it goes on way too long and is just stupid. It's another one of Lucas's WTF moments. I hope Adywan gets the original dialog back too.
Apparently you missed the trailer.
The clip was terrrific, I just noticed in the cloud city fly thru there are 2 little antennas sticking up on the end of Leia's building (during the fly thru) that are NOT seen on top of Leia's building when she is seen in the window.
X-Wing Mechanic said:Prognosis:
I loved the new clip! Yoda is full of life now, especially when he says, "You will become an agent of evil." I remember that the puppet's mouth movement was terribly unconvincing in the originals which "takes one out" of the fantasy and the suspension on the ordinary. The new mouth movement and expressions are subtle but powerful. Adywan is a great magician!
I do have a critique. When Ady enlarged Obi Wan so that he fits the size of Yoda in the scene there is a very noticeable loss of resolution. Two ways around this: return Obi Wan to original size and place some branches in front of him to show that he is some distance behind Yoda; or shrink Yoda a little so that he fits in with the original Obi Wan.
I loved the shot of Cloud City. The clouds really give dimension to the previously flat and obviously painted shot. The red sky car (I don't know what they are called) is a bit jarring though since it contrasts the beautiful sky scene with a very passionate red. I know some of the shots were temps and are still under construction. I hope my thoughts are somewhat useful.
X-Wing Mechanic
Did I miss a clip? The one with Obi being closer to Yoda?
It's also in line with being more obsessed with every detail in a book than an author who wrote the story.
To take their side a bit they are people doing job and they are not as obsessed with everything being technically perfect in SW as we are.
sgdelta1771 said:vaderios said:sgdelta1771 said:Regarding this:
*PIC*
I actually like the GOUT one better because the buildings in the background actually look like they're in the background and make Cloud City look like a big city... or maybe it's just the difference i nlighting and more blue in the shadows. Is there any way to mix the refined backgrounds with the old ones to increase sense of perspective and size of Cloud City?
I said before that a daylight has slight yellow highlights and blue-cyan shadows. GOUT captures that perfectly and gives a weight to the scene.
Is just me or the CGI elements are not blending so well with the already mattes in the previous flyby shot?
-Angel
I decided to create my own concept which mixes the two versions:
Note that I based it on the original GOUT one. In this variant, most of the original lighting parameters are kept and the new building Leia is in is now smaller and somewhat more colour-matched, making the entire scene look as if it's higher from the surface of the city and giving back that sense of perspective while keeping some new 2004 SE elements.
I really like that, remember the buildings are also seen in the fly-thru just before this shot.
I always say dead thread when it get's light and it usually makes the opposite will happen. ;) Had nothing to with anything prequel being talked about.
Dead thread.
sketchrob said:BarBar Jinkx said:
LOVE it but can you add the scar over his right eye from RotS
Love it! tho I think the only way that will be possible is if the Vader part is re filmed and composited back into the existing footage, unless someone with mad 3D skills wants to give it a try, good luck ;)
This is supposed to be about 24 years later, not 24 hours later after the burns. Nothing wrong with it as it stands already. They intentionally made it worse in ROTS and rationalized he would have had some skin grafts and 20 some years to heal.
