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#214312
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who wood win - suprman or anukin lol
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Originally posted by: Kaal-Jhyy
An what would happened in a fight between baby Kal-El (just when he arrives on earth) and kiddy Anakin (from TPM)? That's the REAL question...


Since my conceptualization of the scenario utilized the post-Crisis "Man of Steel" version, Anakin would easily kill Kal-El ... who was only a fetus and hadn't absorbed any yellow sunlight at the time of his arrival on Earth. Other versions might be different ... the Golden Age had him arriving as an infant who quickly performed feats of strength, and in the Silver Age he was a Super-Baby (nothing more need be said). I'm not sure about the current Superman, since I only read Birthright once and didn't enjoy it, but I can't imagine it changes too much about his early days.
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#214236
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We have to buy this set atleast to preserve it for the next generation of fans
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214236/action/topic#214236
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Originally posted by: CO
I agree on that point, but my original point was if we buy this in droves and show there is a demand for this version, and lets say for the sake of argument, Lucas does another 180, which he seems to do every couple of years. Then he says, "I recognize there is a market that loves the original versions, and though I still see the SE as the version to watch, every release in the future will have the O-OT & SE together."

Always in motion is the future. Here's another possible future. Star Wars fans buy the SE+OOTlbx set in droves. Lucas sees that people are still buying the SE, and he sees that even the hardcore refuseniks are satisfied by the laserdisc transfers -- no matter what those geeks at HomeTheaterForum or TheDigitalBits say. (Robert Harris probably engineered the whole kerfuffle to get a job working on Star Wars, Lucas may well think.) From then on, every future release of Star Wars contains the SE remastered to take advantage of the latest technology ... and the laserdisc master of the OOT. After all, it satisfied the whiny "Han Shot First!" crowd back in 2006, it'll surely suffice for the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile, future generations start picking up this Star Wars movie their parents liked so much. These kids are all into HD video; every film they see on TV is 720p/1080i. When they pop in mom and dad's old DVD collection -- those are kind of like Blu-Ray discs, but worse, remember them? -- they think the anamorphic ones are okay, but anything less looks like crap, or at best, very very "vintage." They've been acclimated to HD video throughout their lives. They'll pick out visual artifacts you or I would never notice.

Now, when they pick up that box set of Star Wars, which version do you think they're going to instinctually prefer? The HD version. The idea that our future vid kids would watch a 1993 laserdisc master is as absurd as little Johnny iPod picking up vinyl instead of hitting iTunes. Sure, there'll be a few film buffs that insist the O-OT is intrinsically better, just as there's a niche vinyl market today, but most people will just go with what they're trained to like.

In short ... rewarding Lucas for mediocrity won't encourage excellence. It'll only encourage more mediocrity. And mediocrity may not survive into the next generation. Excellence will.

My whole point is we take our medicine now, and it will be better in the future, not just for us but for the new fans that the OT awaits years down the line. After Lucas pulled this bullshit of non-anamorphic, I kinda changed my view of just wanting the O-OT on DVD for personal reasons, to a new agenda. There is no way Lucas is going to kill these versions, and now there is a bigger cause, making sure these versions don't go obsolete.


They're already obsolete. They've been obsolete for nearly ten years. They're only going to get more obsolete in the future. I can't take part in the entrenchment of obsolescence. But you must do what you think is right.

Edit: QUOTE is not Q, durrr.
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#214158
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Idea: Personalized preservation possible with September 2006 OT DVD's
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214158/action/topic#214158
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According to Wikipedia, "Maximum frames per GOP: 18 (NTSC) / 15 (PAL), i.e. 0.6 seconds both." So you're a tenth of a second off on your editing granularity. And outputting to Divx or Quicktime on Linux is a sin; use Xvid or H.264 in an ISO mpeg4 container. Or maybe Ogg Theora will be ready someday.

Edit: I'm stupid and overlooked the word "maximum." Ignore me.
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#214133
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We have to buy this set atleast to preserve it for the next generation of fans
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214133/action/topic#214133
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Twenty years from now, no one will be willing to watch some smeary 4:3 laserdisc master dumped onto the obsolete DVD format. Especially if they have no pre-existing love for the material. It'll be a novelty item, perhaps suitable for play on portable media devices, but not on home theater systems. Of course, that's what it is today.
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#214109
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Just Saw The Unaltered Trilogy For The First Time...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214109/action/topic#214109
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Now I have a question for all of YOU who grew up with the OOT. What was it like seeing the special editions for the first time after growing up with the OOT? Were you excited to see them, only to be slapped in the face by the changes? What was it like?


Like others, I thought they were in fact "special" editions that would exist alongside but apart from the regular editions. And I was very excited about them. I downloaded a 20MB trailer for the first one over dialup -- during the day, with my mom wanting to use the phone -- and I got this little matchbox-sized thing made up mainly of original footage. But I watched it again and again just to see a brief clip of Jabba.

And Jabba wasn't the only exciting thing, no! One of the early shots of the new effects footage showed a Sentinel-class landing craft, and rumors quickly spread about a YT-2400 in Mos Eisley. They were incorporating EU material into the Trilogy, which was really promising for the prequels -- maybe we'd see Victory-class Star Destroyers, Z-95 Headhunters, Dreadnaughts, etc. I'm kind of a sci-fi tech geek, and I was a gamer, and the idea that I could see fully-rendered versions of EU ships was really exciting. Besides, this would be my first time seeing them on the big screen. I had only even seen them in widescreen once, I think.

The changes ... most of them I didn't mind. In ANH, I hated Greedo Shooting First from the beginning. I hated Boba Fett mugging for the camera. Mos Eisley got kind of goofy, but I thought that was okay. Except for that awful model of the speeder at the beginning of the extended shot. The rest ranged from okay to good -- I liked the new Sandcrawler shot, and the Battle of Yavin (even though I felt the new and old footage didn't mesh at all). In fact, every disagreeable change was balanced out by good changes or the sheer weight of the unaltered footage. Besides, it was a "special" edition -- extraordinary, irregular -- and the "real" edition was still on the shelves.

Around this time some really funny "rumors" and "news stories" starting circulating on Usenet. Search rec.arts.starwars.misc from '97 if you feel like reading any. People more clueful than I picked up on Lucas's intentions and posted stories about dozens of worms writhing about in the asteroid field, and something about bagels, and good times were had.

ESB:SE was mostly just ESB on the big screen. I liked it quite a bit. But ... "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival." Gah. What a ghastly line. And how odd to see Moff Jerjerrod so early.

Return of the Jedi ended my delusion that the films and the EU would be stitched together nicely. We've got Boba Fett flirting with dancers in Jabba's Palace, we've got Imperial citizens in the most unlikely places celebrating the death of their leader -- meh. See Tales from Jabba's Palace for a much more compelling Boba Fett and just about anything from that era for much more realistic looks at Imperial society. As for the other changes, I hated Jedi Rocks, and thought they changed the Sarlacc from an anus to a fierce, nipping glans penis. The sarlacc change, in particular, I thought was unnecessary -- they've already explained the thousand years of pain, and it's already got tentacles, and there's already people with guns running around and shooting -- does the mouth really add that much more jeopardy?

Was it all a slap in the face? Not at all; it was my first chance to see them in the theaters -- an opportunity I took advantage of many times -- and it showed some neat new special effects and unseen footage. It was indeed "special." The slap came when Lucas took away the "special," I guess.
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#214106
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who wood win - suprman or anukin lol
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214106/action/topic#214106
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The question is, of course, more complex than it appears on its face. There are matters of both conceptualization and operationalization to consider.

CONCEPTUALIZATION

Which Superman? Which Anakin? Win what?

Superman has had a number of quite distinct incarnations, some coexisting, others the only instantiation of the Man of Steel within their universe. Let's look at a few.

Golden Age Superman -- The original Superman, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, outrace trains, and nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin. His creators quickly added new powers so that Superman could compete for the hearts and minds of America's youth among the burgeoning population of superheroes in the press. This Superman was revived as the aging "Earth-2 Superman" in the Silver Age and trotted out for several "event" series, most recently Infinite Crisis. His durability is primarily the result of the "toughness" of his skin.

Silver Age Superman -- This version truly was the zenith of humanoid potential; a genius, capable of casually exceeding the speed of light and juggling planets. He slowly morphed into the sub-type recognized as the Modern Age Pre-Crisis Superman, designated by the Creator of the Universe to have some special significance. This significance was never realized, however, has Pre-Crisis Superman was altered by the Crisis.

Post-Crisis Superman -- Unhappy with the Silver Age excesses, John Bynre "de-powered" the Man of Steel. Superman could now fly, lift mountains, and withstand nuclear explosions; but planet-juggling was beyond his capabilities, and his intellect was more like the average human's (although he had superb memory and the capacity to deal with much greater sensory input). His defenses are based on a bioelectric field that emanates several millimeters above his skin and hair.

Post-Infinite Crisis Superman -- The current version of Kal-El is still being explored, but we may make several assumptions about him based on the latest origin story in Birthright and the current writers' attitudes. Superman can now see auras around animals, prompting his adoption of vegetarianism. He is probably stronger than post-Crisis Superman.

All major versions of Superman are vulnerable to a rare radioactive element, usually called Kryptonite. Post-Crisis Superman is also vulnerable to magic.

ANAKIN SKYWALKER

Although there are not distinct versions of Anakin, there are several "points of view" about him.

The Early Point of View -- According to early materials, Anakin was a tall, hearty man who had developed excellent flying abilities before he met Obi-wan Kenobi. The elder Jedi Knight trained Anakin in the ways of the Force, and the two fought together during the Clone Wars. Anakin became convinced the best way to use the Force was the Dark Side; by concentrating anger, fear, and aggression, he could manipulate the lifeborne energy field that permeates the universe, granting him superhuman speed, endurance, reflexes, and strength, along with a panoply of other more mystical abilities. His friend Obi-wan tried to reason with Anakin and show him the folly of his ways, but Anakin attacked, and was forced into a molten pit. The molten rock or metal disfigured him, forcing him to live in a life-support suit with several cybernetic limbs. Over the years, he began to deny his life as Anakin, subsuming his identity to his new name and role of Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith. Vader hunted down and destroyed nearly all the Jedi. He fought his son, Luke, several times. During their last encounter, Luke appealed to Anakin to recall his old identity and proudly referred to him as a Jedi. That awoke something in Anakin, prompting him to sacrifice his life for his son's. He briefly reappeared as a ghost, his physical wounds healed and a smile on his face.

The New Point of View -- Anakin was conceived by the midiclorians, microscopic symbiotes who mediate between the Force and sentients, probably under the direction of a Sith Lord. Whatever that Sith Lord's plans for Anakin were, they probably fell awry upon his assassination; Anakin was born a slave on the planet of Tattooine. In between grueling sessions of slave labor, Anakin managed to construct a pod car and become a famed pod racer. This attracted the attention of the Jedi, who took him away from his mother to be trained in their ways. The Jedi kept Anakin separated from his mother until, left unsupervised on Naboo, he returned to Tattooine to search for her. He arrived in time to find his mother bound in the camp of the nefarious Sand People, dying. After his mother's passing, he killed all the Sand People, then confessed his mass murder to his Nabooian crush. Suitably impressed, she married him. They kept the marriage secret for years while Anakin fought in the Clone Wars. Over time, he became convinced that she would die in childbirth. Told by a Sith Lord that the Sith use their "passion" for power, and that he could save her life, Anakin switched his allegiance to the Jedi's old enemies and murdered a number of Jedi children and trainees. Obi-wan Kenobi was sent to assassinate him, and very nearly succeeded; he left Anakin maimed and burning on a lava embankment. Only the newly-acclaimed Emperor's timely arrival saved Anakin's life.

Except it didn't. According to the new point of view, Anakin died some time around these events and became the separate person, Darth Vader. It is unknown exactly how Luke convinced this new person that he was identical to the old person, but he pulled it off, and Vader died believing he was Anakin. One would be pressed to look for a semantical or psychological loophole to this bizarre turn of events, but the intratextual and extratextual evidence (direct from creator George Lucas) is clear: Anakin died during Revenge of the Sith.

As Jedi are wont to do (except when they don't; see the Prequel Trilogy), Anakin's ghost appeared before Luke after Darth Vader's death. It bore the appearance of a young man, in accordance with the new point of view that Anakin died a young man.

VICTORY CONDITIONS

To answer the question, "Who would win," one must answer the question, "Win what?" There are many things one can win -- a heart, the lottery, Scrabble. I suggest personal combat. Anakin may wear his personal clothing and carry his lightsaber. Superman may wear his costume and carry no weaponry. The two will fight on an Earth-like planet covered predominantly in short grasses. Their other characteristics will be as follows:

Superman
Post-Crisis
Flight
Super-speed
X-ray vision
Heat vision
Microscopic/telescopic vision
Bioelectric aura
Super-hearing

Anakin
New point of view
Jumps high
Very fast
Martial arts training
Enhanced senses
Telekinesis
Absorbs/dissipates energy (see Revenge of the Sith to determine rate)
Uncontrolled clairvoyance
Telepathy (may require Force-sensitive receiver)

OPERATIONALIZATION

The next question is, "How do we get these two together?" Inter-universe travel, once a hallmark of the DC canon, nearly disappeared after the Crisis. And it is not known at all in the Star Wars Universe. The only answer, unfortunately, is there is no way to get these two together.

Unable to design an experiment pitting Anakin Skywalker against Superman, there is no way to tell who would win.

Thanks to mverta for the enlightening topic idea.
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#214060
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STAR WARS CELEBRATION IV in Los Angeles - May 24-28 2007
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214060/action/topic#214060
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"To celebrate the 30th Anniversary of Star Wars, Lucasfilm Ltd. and Gen Con LLC will throw the largest party ever blah blah blah"

As someone pointed out on another forum, this isn't the 30th anniversary of Star Wars. It's the tenth anniversary of Star Wars. Star Wars wasn't finished until 1997 (and again in 2004). Celebrating the preview of the workprints is like celebrating your birthday on the anniversary of the start of the third trimester of your gestation.

As for sci fi conventions, I might go if I could see DeLancie and Nimoy on stage together, but I can't think of a single reason to attend a Star Wars con. None of the personalities in Star Wars seem particularly interesting.
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#213866
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Are you gonna buy 'em?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213866/action/topic#213866
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Originally posted by: JacDan
Unfortunately I have to. My LD player died a couple of years ago and even though I have the LDs (both Japanese and Fox), I can't watch them. Trying to find .avi copies of the LDs on the net has been less than successful for me. Lucas has me by the balls :-(


No one in the preservation forum is willing to hook you up? Have you tried myslpeen.net?
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#213760
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Moving in from the Basher's Sanctuary (TF.n)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213760/action/topic#213760
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The US Armed Forces have about 1.4 million active duty and 1.2 million in reserve. Now consider the idea that a galactic conflict -- with literally thousands of worlds at stake -- could be fought with a little bit more than the US military. It's absurd. The Death Star alone probably had many times that number of personnel aboard.

The thing is, people have a hard time imagining or working with large numbers. The Galactic Republic was big. It was really, really big. A million worlds according to Lucas's early writing. But some authors insist on writing about it as if it's the size of something more familiar, like the US ... which is only 5% of one world. That skews the population numbers by what, a factor of twenty million?

This is kind of off-topic but ... this is the type of blatant and patently foolish error that the mods of another board will defend in order to flatter a "VIP." Who subsequently posts homicidal fantasies. I don't know why anyone would put up with that site. Seriously, is it the rotating banners? The domain name? What?
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#213733
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Moving in from the Basher's Sanctuary (TF.n)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213733/action/topic#213733
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Stardestroyer is kind of the central hub for the anti-Travisstas, it's where they gather to gripe about how they were unfairly banned and how Traviss is a terribly stupid person. She may have detractors that aren't aware of SD.net, just as there are OOT fans unaware of OT.com, but I think everyone eventually settles into the camp where they are most comfortable.

For those curious about what started the brou-ha-ha, Traviss thinks the entire clone army in the Clone Wars was only three million strong.
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#213712
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Moving in from the Basher's Sanctuary (TF.n)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213712/action/topic#213712
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There's a great gabfest on bbs.stardestroyer.net about TF.N and their policies. It seems some EU author came up with some ridiculous ideas about the Clone Wars, and when they called her on it, she

a) accused them of sexism,
b) accused them of harrassment,
c) got the mods to change the rules so VIPs cannot be told they're wrong,
d) got several of her interlocutors banned,
e) accused them of libel, and
f) ranted about how she would like to kill them (garroting and evisceration).

The kind of behavior that the mods here don't tolerate is considered VIP behavior on TF.N.
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#213606
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The Reason the OOT was released
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213606/action/topic#213606
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The DMCA or Digital Millenium Copyright Act tries to circumnavigate this by throwing in all sorts of mumbojumbo with respect to copy-protected material, but the principle has yet to be tested before the courts, mostly because the music and film industries are still hung up on "catching the pirates."


Fortunately, laserdisc videos are neither digital nor copy protected. I think they fall under the old regime of backup copies and shifting media to another format. Such actions only become illegal if you have to break some hare-brained weak crypto scheme to undertake them. Star Wars laserdiscs are also going real cheap on eBay these days; you can probably get the whole trilogy for less than the cost of the new DVDs. (please oh please no one outbid me)
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#213602
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Time to accept what we are given and be grateful?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213602/action/topic#213602
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Originally posted by: Jobel
Yeah but, a year from now everything will be HD anyway. Bluray/HD-DVD etc.

I call shenanigans. HD-DVD isnt' exactly the hottest new product on the market, and Blu-Ray -- when/if it is ever launched -- probably won't fare any better. Maybe the PS3 will encourage people to start picking up HD discs, but HD sets will still be fairly uncommon. A year from now everything will be SD DVD, and a few things will be HD. It will be years before HD reaches the same level of penetration that DVD has. (And the MPAA is doing everything it can to stifle consumer acceptance of the format, but that's another matter.)

Surely the fight will then be to get the OT on an HD medium?


Before we get it on the high quality medium, we need a high quality digital master. That's what some of us have been trying to get now, so Lucas can recoup the cost of the transfer over both the DVD and HD releases. The longer Lucas waits to do the transfer, the fewer opportunities he has to sell it, and the less attractive it becomes. And there may well be proportionately (or absolutely) fewer O-OT fans agitating for it. You've gotta strike while the iron is hot.

I remember years ago everyone assumed that Lucas would very soon now release a DVD set with both the O-OT and the SE-OT. Then when he said there'd be no release until the prequels were done, we all thought there'd be an archival/ultimate/whatever boxed set in 2006 with the O-OT and SE-OT ... look where that assumption got us. I'm no longer going to make assumptions of George Lucas's beneficence or wisdom, and I'm not content to wait for the next format to become entrenched or for the next popular uprising. It's been eleven years since the last release, have it not? Do you want to wait another eleven? That'll put us right on an anniversary, so it might pay off ... but if it doesn't, buy another decade's worth of calendars and start crossing off the days.
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#213547
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What scene in the (O-)OT do you hate/dislike the most?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213547/action/topic#213547
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Originally posted by: Ripplin
One example is in docking bay 94. It was 7 or 8 stormtroopers in an, albeit short, shootout versus Han Solo and he didn't even get a flesh wound? "Precise" shooting indeed. The best scenario would have been for them to kill Solo, then rush in and grab R2, but they didn't manage to hit him once.


They were performing a cordon and search. They were never supposed to take down the target, only to find them. Elite units are always preferred for the actual takedown (see Black Hawk Down, etc.). And that target was just a dirt-farming kid on a joyride with two droids until that guy with the snout told the Imps he'd hired a ship. Docking Bay 94 was a case of an officer or NCO getting time-sensitive intelligence and rushing a unit into a mission it wasn't trained for. Someone fired a weapon before getting a good sight picture, Han fired back, then you see the rest of the squad try to find cover and fire as they run -- scoring several near misses. Had the passengers, cargo, and copilot not already been aboard, the skirmish might've turned out differently.

Besides, Davin Felth intentionally screwed the whole thing up because they kicked him out of the Armor Corps.
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#213540
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What scene in the (O-)OT do you hate/dislike the most?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213540/action/topic#213540
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ANH

Not "possibly," "maybe." Definitely.

"They let us go. There's no other explanation for the ease of our escape."

Leia had just run a blockade and seen her ship boarded and her crew of trained soldiers massacred. She knew how stormtroopers operated, and knew when they were holding back. Luke was a farmboy who knew stormtroopers only from recruiting commercials. Han was a smuggler who dropped his spice consignments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser. Neither of them had half the experience with Imperial squad-level tactics that Leia had.

Never mind the fact that putting out a kill order on the Falcon's crew after emplacing a homing beacon would be kind of thoughtless.

ROTJ

The scouts and stormtroopers seen in ROTJ were not crack troops. The Emperor's legion was stationed at the shield generator, where he planned to ambush the Rebels. He had not planned to ambush them at the back door to the power generator; the Rebels didn't even know about the back door until the Ewoks told them about it. The units stationed at the back door were obviously undermanned (perhaps they reinforced the legion at the shield generator). They were surprised when the Rebels showed up at the back door, and scraped together whatever units were nearby while the main force waited at the shield generator for the expected decisive attack.

a) The back door units have no AT-ATs; we saw at least one AT-AT at the shield generator earlier. The back door wasn't important enough to rate any heavy armor.

b) They have no guns. While the assault force in ESB carried at least one E-WEB with them, and the clones of their eponymous war had varying types of artillery, this group seems to have only carbines, pistols, and their vehicle-mounted weapons, none of which are very heavy. (Okay, the AT-ST has some firepower, but ISTR those were driven by soldiers, and we're talking stormtroopers.)

c) Their reinforcement force is reported to be only three squads. Typically, 1/4 to 1/3 of a defensive unit is held in reserve. If they could only muster three squads in reserve, they probably only had about a company on hand, maybe a CO(-) -- having detached their weapons platoon (or the Imperial equivalent) to the main force. And their three squads look more like three fire teams -- more evidence of undermanned units.

d) That reserve force was an admixture of stormtrooper and Naval personnel. (Saxton might've spotted an soldier in there, too, but I don't recall.) Even more evidence of a very hasty defense.

While the prowess of the defenders is often overestimate, the combat power of the attackers is usually underestimated.

a) There is a virtually unlimited number of Ewoks.

b) The Ewoks are familiar with the terrain, organized, motivated, and coordinate in their native tongue which the Imperials probably can't understand.

c) The Ewoks are either very stealthy or overlooked by the Imperials, which gave them the opportunity to seize the initiative and a time of their choosing.

d) The Ewoks had been able to emplace a number of anti-armor traps, probably under the guise of harmless forestry activity. (What we call "dual use" systems today.)

e) The Rebels brought a lot of skilled operators with them. In addition to General Solo and Chewbacca, a highly-ranked Clone Wars veteran, they brought General Madine and some number of commandos -- perhaps dozens, given the size of their shuttle. And of course their VIP, the inestimable Princess Leia. Man-for-man, the Rebels may have approached numerical parity with the Imperials in that battle. It would've been like sending Delta Force, Pershing, Puller, Ross Perot, and several hundred Sentinelese against a bunch of combat support reservists cowering in a bunker in enemy territory.

The footage we see in RotJ is carefully edited to avoid any "horrors of war" and focus on the efforts of our heroes, all while portraying the bloody chaos of battle as a carefully-scripted series of events. But looking at the bigger picture, including what was left unsaid in order to appeal to children and their overprotective parents, shows that the battle wasn't the farce its detractors usually claim it was. It was a completely different farce.
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#213482
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Time to accept what we are given and be grateful?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213482/action/topic#213482
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The Kubler-Ross Grief Cycle

Shock

"WTF?!"

Denial

"There's no way Lucasfilm would do this. Let's wait for official confirmation, or at least Darth First."

Anger

"There's no way I'm buying this piece of trash!"

Bargaining

"Maybe if we write enough letters and buy enough copies of the O-OT we can get a real DVD transfer in the future."

Depression

"I'm done with Star Wars forever."

Testing

"You know, I watched a non-anamorphic DVD and it didn't look that bad."

Acceptance

"It's time we just take what we're offered."

It looks like OT.com is rapidly advancing towards the acceptance stage. HTF.com is still between Bargaining and Depression. As for myself, I am comfortably seated in anger. You may address me as Dark Lord of the Sith Scruffy if it pleases you.