Sam_Lu

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Join date: 24-Sep-2004
Last activity: 2-Apr-2015
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Post: #67363
Topic: Zombies and Jedi
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67363/action/topic#67363
Time: 25-Sep-2004 3:30 PM

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If Lucas wanted to make the ultimate Star Wars movie, he'd throw some zombies into the mix.

Please, don't get Lucas any more ideas, or by next year these Zombies will be part Lucas' "original vision".

"I'm sorry that some fans choose to ignore my vision, but it's obvious that Jedi Zombies were left out due to technical constraints" - Lucas

Post: #67347
Topic: Poor Obi-Wan
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67347/action/topic#67347
Time: 25-Sep-2004 2:56 PM

I also hear that Lucas is travelling around the US, searching for and destroying all those Anakin Skywalker Ghost mail-in Kenner figures. They don't exist, and Lucas is making damn sure of that.

If you have one, be afraid.... be very afraid.

Post: #67344
Topic: Why is Lucas such a Knob?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67344/action/topic#67344
Time: 25-Sep-2004 2:30 PM

Okay, so I was over at the StarWars.com forum, reading most of the DVD commments on there, and it hit me why Lucas continually updates the OT, even though he obviously realizes the new versions suck monkey balls. (I also realized that the vast majority of people on the SW.com forums are truly scary little freaks so totally immersed on the SW subculture they likely take lightsabers to work, but that's another story.... )

As the old saying goes, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Lucas craps out another SE turd, the rabid freak-boys lap it up, post their moronic "theories" on how these changes fit into the prequels (seriously, some of these people are totally brain-dead), while the OT fans cry bloody murder, get Lucas all kinds of press, and general public laps it up and buys tons of DVDs.

Lucas is simply doing what he can to keep the Original Trilogy in the public eye, and if that means pinching out another smelly SSE 2004 loaf, then he likely feels it's worth the effort. After all, no one but the hardcore fanboys even care about the prequels anyway, and the ABSOLUTE WORST thing that could ever happen to Lucas would be for his precious Star Wars mythos to fade from the public consciousness.

So instead, he continually changes it, gets the Lucas freak-boys slobbering, has the online community humming (good and bad) and at the end of the day, makes Star Wars relevent once again. Expect this to continue with both the OT & Prequels, and for Lucas to NEVER EVER finish any of his movies.

Because he knows, once it's finished, the ride might be over.

Post: #67338
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67338/action/topic#67338
Time: 25-Sep-2004 2:11 PM

Come on, you can't compare a small matte clean-up as a one-to-one "change" with the segment between Han and Jabba in Star Wars. One goes by in a the bat of an eye, while the other drones on endlessly, and changes the entire pace of the movie.

Duration and effect on the story are the prime considerations when looking at these things, otherwise Lucas could just re-film the entire trilogy and state he only made ONE small change.

P.S., just for the record, I COULDN'T CARE LESS abut Lucas updating the visual effects in the EXISTING FOOTAGE of the Original Trilogy. Clear? It's the NEW FOOTAGE, INSERTED FX, and BLATANT STORY CHANGES that bother me.

Clear?

Post: #67336
Topic: when did you see SW first...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67336/action/topic#67336
Time: 25-Sep-2004 2:07 PM

When I saw Star Wars, I remembered very little about the movie, except small bits and pieces. I was literally blown away, and it was only after amassing the SW cards, that I recounted the actual movie experience.

I do remember my Dad quoting Obi-Wan Kenobi for a few weeks after though.

Post: #67334
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67334/action/topic#67334
Time: 25-Sep-2004 2:00 PM

Hey Jimbo, I love digital effects as well, and when used appropriately (like in Fellowship of the Ring) it makes it possible to see the unfilmable.

My problem with the horrific SE and 2004 SSE versions is not the digital effects, but the jarring impact that adding FX-laden story portions of these 1977-83 films. It just doesn't look right in terms of consistency, anymore than significant facial surgery looks good on an 80-year old woman. You take one look, cringe, and think "whoa, something's not right here".

Not to mention that updating JUST the digital FX to the OT is the LEAST of my worries, as it is the ham-fisted "let's re-do the story" crap that is truly offending. If George wanted Greedo to shoot first, he would have done it in Star Wars. It's not like he didn't write or direct the fucking movie. Then we have the stupidity of showing the Wampa over and over and over, thereby bleeding the scene of its original suspense, along with the uttery lame "Hayden Ghost", and a ton of other amateur changes that a first-year film student would reject.

You like updated visual FX, and I have no huge problem with it either, but don't be a moron and try and pass the SE and 2004 SSE versions as just "updated FX', as the changes are far more intrusive than just that.

Post: #67300
Topic: Star Wars DVD Music Mix Botched!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67300/action/topic#67300
Time: 25-Sep-2004 11:39 AM

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Yeah, when the board starts taking part in genocide, then you can safely use that allusion.

Well, Lucas has KILLED the Original Trilogy, so does that count?

Post: #67299
Topic: check this picture
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67299/action/topic#67299
Time: 25-Sep-2004 11:37 AM

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...but he's still got his eyebrows....

We're saving that for "Lucas is a Brain-Dead Moron: The Special Edition".

Post: #67298
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67298/action/topic#67298
Time: 25-Sep-2004 11:34 AM

I wonder how much $$$ the prequels would have made had they been any good (ie. Lucas got someone else to write/direct/create them). The demand was insanely high for TPM, and as the movie sucked dead bears, it was an opportunity that will likely never come around again.

Easily 1 billion for TPM if it's above-average, and the sky's the limit if it was of the same quality as SW or ESB.

Post: #67219
Topic: Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67219/action/topic#67219
Time: 25-Sep-2004 11:12 AM

Am I getting confused as to what you guys are talking about, or was that C3PO line not used in the newer SE editions as well? I know my SE DVDs have the line on them, and I believe they came from the original SE LD copies.

Again, this thread is supa-long so I may have misinterpreted this.

Post: #67290
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67290/action/topic#67290
Time: 25-Sep-2004 11:12 AM

No one booed when I saw TPM, but there was a lot of laughter at inopportune times, such as whenever Little Orphan Ani opened up his pie-hole.

There were kids all through the audience, and whenever that miniature troll said anything, they laughed out loud, and when Ani told Padme about his "feelings" the laughter was so loud I felt like I was sitting in a comedy. This movie was bad news, and maybe the only reason no one booed was because they had quite a few chuckles at the expense of that moron Lucas.

Post: #67288
Topic: STAR WARS DVD Producer Van Ling answers the tough questions!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67288/action/topic#67288
Time: 25-Sep-2004 11:03 AM

Just because Lucas stupidly CONSIDERS himself the sole creator of the Original Trilogy, doesn't make it so. He's no different than any other Producer/Exec. Producer who gets the money for the movie and organizes the talent... with the ONLY difference being that he also owns the rights.

So no, I don't see much different between Ted Turner and George Lucas, and I think it's quite insipid to consider Lucas the creator of the Star Wars Trilogy, any more than Albert S. Ruddy *created* The Godfather, or Lawrence Bender *created* Pulp Fiction.

Give me a break.

Post: #67218
Topic: Anakin's ghost?!?!?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67218/action/topic#67218
Time: 25-Sep-2004 5:06 AM

Of course, that's forgetting that Darth Vader redeemed himself, killed the Emperor and returned to Anakin Skywalker when Luke lifted his helmet. This naturally led to the poignant scene at the end of ROTJ where the newly-redeemed Anakin takes his rightful place with the other Jedi.

This recent change is illogical, lame, and obviously done so that the crappy Lucas Prequels can insert even more control over the superior OT. Lucas continually tries to get the Prequel scenes and story into the OT, like some ugly guy hanging out with a pretty boy, hoping some of the charm will rub off.

Sorry George, you can't polish a turd.

Post: #67217
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67217/action/topic#67217
Time: 25-Sep-2004 5:00 AM

Is this Jimbo guy a Lucas Mole?

I mean, no one could really LOVE these crap-fest 2004 versions so much, and continually think up new and increasingly illlogical reasons for the changes. Everything's perfect in Lucas La La Land for this guy, which is bizarre, unless Georgie Porgy is paying his salary.

Post: #67216
Topic: Does this make sense?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67216/action/topic#67216
Time: 25-Sep-2004 4:43 AM

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Originally posted by: Look Sir. Droids!
the problem is that it *is* confusing now. before, we all knew that vader had some ideas of his own... but now with GL trying to spell it all out for us, it's just muddled and crap. very crap.

What he said!!

Lucas is obviously trying to make the 2004 OT versions so simplistic that they can be understood by a brain-dead chimpanzee, and he's succeeding.

Post: #67215
Topic: Why I Don't Like Anything About Naboo or Sifo-Dyas
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67215/action/topic#67215
Time: 25-Sep-2004 4:41 AM

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Not to mention the vast array of historical, philosophical, and religious name/likeness dropping.

But without some actual usage in the movie, that's all it turned to be, "pretentious film student" name dropping.

Post: #67214
Topic: STAR WARS DVD Producer Van Ling answers the tough questions!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67214/action/topic#67214
Time: 25-Sep-2004 4:33 AM

Remember, this is ONLY what Lucas says.

Many of those involved with the Original Trilogy think otherwise, and they were ON SET during the production. Harrison Ford has come out against the constant tinkering Lucas does, and "having Executive Producer control" does not mean Lucas CREATED the OT, only that he could -if he saw fit- say no to the Director, the Screenwriter, the Cinematographer, the Producer, the Cameramen, the Actors, the Editor, the Sound FX department, the Composer, and hundreds of other people who CREATED the OT.

They created the OT, Lucas (along with the real Producer) could only REVIEW and CONFIRM their creation. It's a pretty easy concept to understand, but it seems to go over the head's of many Lucas Fanboys.

Lucas does have the LEGAL RIGHT to screw up the OT, but he's no different than Ted Turner attempting to colorize classic movies. Both own the legal rights, so they can do what they want with someone ele's creation.

But that legal right does not make hacking up classic cinema morally right.

Post: #67129
Topic: Why I Don't Like Anything About Naboo or Sifo-Dyas
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67129/action/topic#67129
Time: 24-Sep-2004 4:06 PM

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but the matrix trilogy is by no means a bad saga, most people just get confused when the watch them and miss the overall point (it takes a cetain kind to enjoy them*)

LOL. I don't think it comes down to not understanding them, but simply not liking the last two movies. I could get 100% on a Matrix Philosophy exam, but I still think the last two movies were half-baked cash grabs.

From my experience, it really comes down to how much you've invested in the "Matrix Culture" (ie. owning Matrix video games, toys and collectibles, watching Animatirx, cartoons, etc.), and whether you define the Matrix Trilogy as movies or as a sub-culture involving all manner of media. Movie fans, on average, hated them, while Matrix sub-culture fans loved them.

Post: #67121
Topic: Why I Don't Like Anything About Naboo or Sifo-Dyas
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67121/action/topic#67121
Time: 24-Sep-2004 4:00 PM

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Originally posted by: Sam_Lu
This conversation is over. Someone who thinks the putrid Matrix Revolutions is superior to a classic Like Casablanca is not worth arguing with. Seriously.

I think he has a martyr complex, and actually gets a kick out of being so hated and reviled. Really look over his interviews sometime, where he mentions "taking the slings and arrows".

The Passion of the Lucas!!

Post: #67115
Topic: Why I Don't Like Anything About Naboo or Sifo-Dyas
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67115/action/topic#67115
Time: 24-Sep-2004 3:54 PM

This conversation is over. Someone who thinks the putrid Matrix Revolutions is superior to a classic Like Casablanca is not worth arguing with. Seriously.

Post: #67109
Topic: The PT was doomed from the opening crawl and here is why
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67109/action/topic#67109
Time: 24-Sep-2004 3:48 PM

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Originally posted by: adlai
you know, I think that the series would have been much better off if it had started with AOTC.

I agree, and the biggest problem Lucas has in these prequels is an inability to "get to the story". In Star Wars, we didn't spend a movie with Luke as a young child, we were whisked right into the action. We also didn't have to wonder who the main character was, as Luke was fully grown, and the movies took place over a small amount of "movie time".

The Prequels are less real movies than they are an "A&E Biography: The Life and Times of Anakin Skywalker" where Lucas takes us through a 6-hour, mostly boring, biopic of the entire life of Aanakin, from his early years, right up until he became Darth Vader. It's really creepy how much movie-making ability Lucas has lost over the years, falling back on a tired "autobiography" TV format.

Post: #67100
Topic: Why I Don't Like Anything About Naboo or Sifo-Dyas
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67100/action/topic#67100
Time: 24-Sep-2004 3:43 PM

I'm not going to beat around the bush:

The prequels sucked, and they've sucked HARD, and if these movies did not have the Star Wars mythos to hang onto (and had to rely on script, directing, story, acting, etc.), they'd be universally panned and would have made 10-cents at the box office. In terms of overall quality, the two Prequels make Matrix Revolutions look like Casablanca.

Post: #67097
Topic: Anakin's ghost?!?!?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67097/action/topic#67097
Time: 24-Sep-2004 3:36 PM

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I mean, we are talking about the future top 3 Jedi Anakin Skywalker, and they make him seem so sniveling and incapable.

That's why when I watched these Prequels, I think to myself.. "whydid Lucas make these, as Anakin is not interesting enough to support one movie, let alone three."

There's a theory that a movie only works if you show the story of character at the most critical, most interesting and most compelling moment, and for my money, Darth Vader defined that moment, and Anakin is just a boring and useless character. The Original Trilogy is the story of Luke's ascension to a Jedi, and Darth Vader's antagonism, redemption and eventual death. We really didn't need a backstory, as Darth Vader represented a more interesting character and arc, than does Whiney Ani.

The prequels are kind of like watching home movies of Barry Bonds as a toddler, while the Original Trilogy is his record-breaking home-run year.

Post: #67086
Topic: Why I Don't Like Anything About Naboo or Sifo-Dyas
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67086/action/topic#67086
Time: 24-Sep-2004 3:18 PM

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I hate Kill Bill, but I don't go to Kill Bill websites and bash that movie.

Ummm.... please check the URL of this website.

Post: #67080
Topic: Anakin's ghost?!?!?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67080/action/topic#67080
Time: 24-Sep-2004 2:46 PM

Lucas is under the mistaken impression that the Prequels are far, far, far, far superior to the Original Trilogy, so he takes any opportunity to bastardze the originals with more and more Prequel BS. This is one change that I am amazed to see the Lucas-loving Fanboys standing up for, as I can see no logical reason for the change.. other than ego and a need to make ROTJ (a movie Lucas did not write or direct) even more a "Lucas Prequel".

Or to put it a better way, Hayden was not even born when SW was released.