Ryan-SWI

TV’s Frink said:

Oh good Ryan’s back and exactly the same.

So happy to oblige

Possessed said:

None of them do that.

Lol.

chyron8472 said:

As though “Disney” itself, as one singular corporate entity, is responsible for any and all decisions re Star Wars.

To be fair, while Disney obviously isn’t going to have their hands on everything, it’s pretty naive to believe one of the biggest corporations in the world who spent literal billions of dollars on an IP is just going to sit there and let what is essentially a subdivision of their company run things willy-nilly without any input. Come on guys, you’re smarter than this.

Back on topic though I think it’d be hilarious if Chewie’s wife was in Solo.

Possessed said:

Lol yeah, episode II is definitely better than the Disney movies. Okay. Sure.

At least Attack of the Clones bares some significance on the saga as a whole without nullifying the other films.

Spending years watching this site trash the prequels for “ruining” their beloved characters and mythos but then championing this film as some innovative landmark is the funniest thing I’ve seen all day, thank you.

ElectroDroid said:

things like the Dinosaur that walks in front of the speeder are so bad they actually ruin the entire movie for me.

Come on, I think changes like that are as nonsensical as the next guy but there’s no need to be hyperbolic; a 3 second CGI character isn’t enough to kill 2 hours of film.

lovelikewinter said:

I could see the exposition dragging down a film and grinding the plot to a halt.

"It was salvaged from a desolate planet many years ago."
Done. Not great, but it at least tries to explain something that’s a very big deal. Would have taken 10 seconds to add the line in but JJ is too obsessed with non-stop action nonsense to let the characters breathe for two minutes.
Chucking random things into a movie that have been established as gone for 30-odd years and saying “it’s okay, the sequel might explain how it suddenly popped up” is atrocious writing. I have no idea how anyone can defend it.

I just feel sorry for Rian, you’d need half a film just to explain the holes in TFA.

rodneyfaile said:

Lord Tobias said:

rodneyfaile said:

Baze and Chirrut from Rogue One were Guardians of the Whills. They weren’t Whills themselves but at least it’s been mentioned in a movie now along with Kyber Crystals. Maybe Snoke is a Whill. I’m sure Luke learned a lot from those books in the cave on that island

Disney is infusing a lot of fantasy elements in a franchise that desperately needed a break from the sci fi bullshit of the vong and midi chlorians…good

I loved that Maz reiterated Yoda’s description of the Force without mentioning midichlorians.

Maz is also the same character who glossed over the magical reappearance of a lightsaber that would have disintegrated in a gas giant (Bespin) within seconds of falling into it at the climax of ESB, so her word is hardly worth a Gungan’s foot.

Wannabe Scholar said:

A lot of people have complained of the ANH imagery used in TFA, and how obvious it was. And there have been people who said similar things of RO (like RedLetterMedia, if you focus on the actual good points they had on RO).

ANH imagery in R1 makes sense, as R1 is set moments before ANH; I’d be worried if there wasn’t ANH imagery.
TFA on the other hand is set 30 years after ROTJ and relies heavily on ANH/OT imagery; that is far more grievous a crime than for a movie set during the OT era to use those visuals.

While I know you’re joking, your opinion that it’s objective is influenced by your own personal feelings, so…

TV’s Frink said:

Because Ron Howard is a total pushover.

[eyeroll]

…Who said pushover? Ron Howard is not going to walk on set and create some artistic work of genius, he was hired because he’ll play ball and make the film Kathleen Kennedy wants him to make. He’s a yes-man, and if I was offered millions of dollars I would be too.

Stalvern said:

If you’re watching those movies and all you can think of is “lore” and “worldbuilding” piled on years later, you might be watching them wrong.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with expanding the story/universe? Books and other media and additions obviously shouldn’t be a scapegoat for explaining away plotholes and glaring issues, but this is harmless.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Thus far, all the hubbub about this film’s production arouses my interest more than the film itself.

Likewise. I’ve spent more time in the past 48 hours thinking about/looking into this film than I’ve paid attention to it since it was announced. Still won’t see it, but I’d read the crap out of a making-of book.

darth_ender said:

I’ve always felt he’s a competent and underrated director. I enjoy A Beautiful Mind, Apollo 13, Cinderella Man, and Willow for instance. In fact, his handling of Willow (yes, I know critics didn’t like it much, but I love it!) gives me confidence in his ability to handle a Star Wars movie.

While you couldn’t pay me to see this film, I get the frustration fans are feeling with the appointment of Howard and Disney/Lucasfilm’s attitude in general. If it wasn’t obvious by now with TFA, Rogue One’s extensive reshoots and now this nonsense with Han Solo; these films are clearly being made by suits in a boardroom.
You don’t sink 200 million into a film to get art, you do it to make a billion. People seem to forget that Disney is a business, not an arthouse studio. This is obvious to anyone who actually thinks about it from a business perspective, but I suppose the general population doesn’t, which is why this is such a shock to the system and raising more than a few eyebrows.

So I guess the problem is that yes, he can handle a Star Wars movie, but the movie he’ll be handling will be what he’s told to do, as opposed to L&M who would have at the very least done something different. JJ is also a competent director, but TFA isn’t exactly an inspired work of art.
Lucas did a fair number of stupid things over the years, but Episodes I - VI were not made by suits to fit the category of "this is what a Star Wars movie should be."
I stopped seeing Marvel movies because it became an endless stream of the studio ticking requirement-checkboxes and the same rehashed formula over and over again, I don’t want to do that with Star Wars, but it seems every new Star Wars movie that comes out has studio meddling written all over it, this obviously being the worst case.

TV’s Frink said:

objective

I don’t think that means what you think it means.

yotsuya said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Tack said:

Jesta’ said:

(J J and his anti prequel boner)

Bullshit!

You tell me how it makes sense for a second that she’d have that flag in her possession. And don’t try and justify it with some other piece of media explaining the flag’s origin. In the context of the film, it’s Anakin’s flag and nothing else. I think it’s a change that makes sense.

…You mean like trying to justify how she randomly has Anakin’s lightsaber after it fell out of a vent shaft into a gas planet some 30-odd years prior?

At least Anakin’s flag still being around is plausible.

We didn’t see what happened to the saber or Luke’s hand, only to Luke himself. Last we saw it, it was still in Cloud City, not falling toward the planet below. We don’t know what may have gotten in its way to prevent it being ejected with the rest of the trash.

A similar argument can be used as to why she’d have the flag. My point was that “it doesn’t make sense it’d be there” is a flawed argument when glossing over the lightsaber at the same time, which I’d argue is considerably more significant.

Accidental double post

Tack said:

Jesta’ said:

(J J and his anti prequel boner)

Bullshit!

You tell me how it makes sense for a second that she’d have that flag in her possession. And don’t try and justify it with some other piece of media explaining the flag’s origin. In the context of the film, it’s Anakin’s flag and nothing else. I think it’s a change that makes sense.

…You mean like trying to justify how she randomly has Anakin’s lightsaber after it fell out of a vent shaft into a gas planet some 30-odd years prior?

At least Anakin’s flag still being around is plausible.

luckydube56 said:

But anyone who believe the PT were, in retrospect, good are fooling themselves.

“Anyone who has a different opinion than me is wrong.”

Possessed said:

Yeah but on the packaging star wars was always emphasized over a new hope, where as with the other two esb/rotj was emphasized over star wars.

I’m aware, I just think it may be a common misconception that “A New Hope” was only added for the Special Edition releases; that’s what I see a lot of anyway.

rodneyfaile said:

You can’t fix what’s wrong with The Force Awakens because there’s nothing wrong with it.

And I’m a 10,000 year old alien from Mars.

Anchorhead said:

Haarspalter said:

rodneyfaile said:

http://www.jedinews.co.uk/film-music-tv/articles/ilm-40th-anniversary-reunion/

Awesome pics! This must be the first event (and Star Wars related too) in decades where Marcia Lucas showed up. So many unsung people which made the OT possible.

George really gets too much credit…

I agree and I have to say it doesn’t bother me in the least that George wasn’t part of it. Considering his decades-long (and successful so far) war to suppress the work, contributions, and accolades of everyone in that room, I’m elated that he didn’t contaminate that event the way he’s contaminated the Original Trilogy.

Yeah, don’t want the guy who created the series there to “contaminate” the room full of people who worked for him as employees. Star Wars fans can be the absolute worst, isn’t it possible to just appreciate the event without having to pull up an excuse to crap all over George Lucas?
I guess pigs will fly one day too.

Disco_Lobot said:

The only really good things to come out of the EU are PC games and mods.

You clearly need to read more then.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Lucasfilm kept the film novelizations in canon.

I’m pretty sure that’s not true. The only things they outright said were going to be in the Disneyverse were the six films and TCW series and movie (CG, not 2D), plus all Disney content going forward.
Unless of course they’ve since come out and said the novelisations for I - VI are also part of the Disneyverse, but I don’t recall them every saying so.

Astroboi2 said:

I call it Star Wars because that was the name of the movie for the first 20 years.

It was called “Star Wars” for only four years. “A New Hope” was added to the crawl in 1981.

generalfrevious said:

It’s all about making a passable product to keep the factory running indefinitely, not for audiences like the OT was, or for one’s ego like the prequels were.

Careful not to cut yourself on all that edge.
I don’t like TFA much either dude but chill, they’re movies.

Hardcore Legend said:

Wait, there are fans who are rooting for Kylo Ren?

Well Kylo was actually an interesting character, I’d much rather root for someone I care about.